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Saucycarpdog

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news.yahoo.com

Justice Thomas wants the Supreme Court to revisit libel protections to make it easier for public figures to sue media organizations

Thomas dissented from the Court's decision to not take on a defamation case between a Christian media group and the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Justice Clarence Thomas urged the Supreme Court on Monday to revisit decades of libel protections set by the landmark New York Times Co. v. Sullivan case — arguing the court should reconsider the standards that make it harder for public figures to sue media organizations.

Thomas dissented from the Court's decision to not take on a defamation case between a Christian media group formerly known as Coral Ridge Ministries Media — now D. James Kennedy Ministries — and the Southern Poverty Law Center, which previously designated Coral Ridge as an "anti-LGBT hate group."

"I would grant certiorari in this case to revisit the 'actual malice' standard," Thomas wrote in his dissenting opinion. "This case is one of many showing how New York Times and its progeny have allowed media organizations and interest groups 'to cast false aspersions on public figures with near impunity.' "

Thomas said Coral Ridge's classification lumped it with groups like the "Ku Klux Klan and Neo-Nazis" and placed the group on an "interactive, online 'Hate Map.'"

Coral Ridge sued the SPLC in 2017, alleging that it was defamed by the SPLC's designation because Amazon wouldn't let it participate in a donation program. The suit was dismissed, and a federal appeals court later sided with the dismissal in 2021 and said Coral Ridge was unable to allege that SPLC acted with "actual malice."

Under the precedent set by the 1964 landmark New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, public figures suing for defamation must prove that the defendant acted with "actual malice" and made a reckless decision.

Coral Ridge considered itself to be a "public figure," Thomas said, which forces it to prove multiple elements in order to counter SPLC's argument that it designated the group with First Amendment protections.
 

Slayven

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Crazy thing this wasn't about the media, it was about the SPLC . A folks that track hate groups
 

OaklandKao

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I mean this in the nicest way possible, but did Clarence Thomas fucking hit his head really hard recently? Or is he just fully going mask off?
 

Slayven

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This would be used to go after every marginalized group who reported on anything. This would not be good.
Exactly, there groups that have nothing but money to burn to harm folks. You think a high school coach has money for a run at the supreme court?
 

Deleted member 70788

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Y'all are naive as fuck to think this would be good. With this court the only winning cases would be suppressing truth and fucking over minorities.
 

Deleted member 11637

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This motherfucker daydreamed through his job for years, but all of a sudden he can't stop talking about all the rights he wants to tear apart.
 
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This would be used to go after every marginalized group who reported on anything. This would not be good.
this.

Ya'll need to consider the worst possible outcome. Because that's the most likely outcome. Imagine how this might be weaponized against small media outlets and minorities. Imagine the money they'd lose dealing with frivolous lawsuits.

This is who he always been, folks just paying attention



Anita Hill tried to tell ya'll too. But imagine listening to a black woman.
 

olag

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Ahh I see the republican base finally have their hand right up in their black hand puppet.
 

Thordinson

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Exactly, there groups that have nothing but money to burn to harm folks. You think a high school coach has money for a run at the supreme court?

This.

There would be impacts on both sides. Defamation by Fox News would be easy as hell to prove in so many cases.

Sure but Fox News has cash to burn. The independent LGBTQ+ reporter who reports on anti-Trans legislation doesn't. It would have a chilling effect on what folks report on because they would be worried to get sued. Fox News wouldn't care because even if they have to pay, they have the cash.

this.

Ya'll need to consider the worst possible outcome. Because that's the most likely outcome.

Exactly. He knows folks could go after Fox News. He's fine with that as long as marginalized folks are gone after. Not only that, it assumes that the libel laws would be applied evenly. They absolutely wouldn't be.
 

BennyWhatever

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This would be massive. Literally every media company would be in litigation 24/7 with everyone. Actual Malice has been ingrained in Libel law for ages and is what makes it so hard for public figures to win cases.
 

Otakunofuji

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Oct 27, 2017
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A supreme court justice basically begging for certain cases to be brought before them because the outcome is pretty much already decided sure is something. Fuck these jerkwads.
 

Diablos

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Oct 25, 2017
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Could backfire spectacularly on Faux News, ONN, Newsmax etc.

Please proceed?
 

AuthenticM

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he has always been an agent of white supremacy. It's why a republican nominated him.
 

Jarmel

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Sure but Fox News has cash to burn. The independent LGBTQ+ reporter who reports on anti-Trans legislation doesn't. It would have a chilling effect on what folks report on because they would be worried to get sued. Fox News wouldn't care because even if they have to pay, they have the cash.
The way I view it, the raw amount of damage that Fox News does due to its reach outweighs whatever the negative implications could be on the left. Fox News has done so much damage to public that it's hard to quantify.
 

Royalan

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I mean this in the nicest way possible, but did Clarence Thomas fucking hit his head really hard recently? Or is he just fully going mask off?

Clarence Ruckus Thomas has always been like this.

He's just got his marching orders now. Don't nobody be fooled into thinking that he's just out here saying all this shit for nothing.
 

krazen

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Whew, Thomas became the most powerful man in America…while his wife is implicated with working to destroy the US as a democratic nation and probably actively working those angles even as we speak. And nothing has happened to the later.

Somehow this feels we already kinda skipped the coup stage and are comfortably post democratic here.
 

Kmonk

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Kind of obvious at this point, but it seems odd for a "non-political" member of a body that "doesn't make laws" to be specifically requesting political cases in order to allow him to change laws.
 
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Blader

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I mean this in the nicest way possible, but did Clarence Thomas fucking hit his head really hard recently? Or is he just fully going mask off?
Thomas, Alito, and Scalia have always been this repugnant.

Exactly. He knows folks could go after Fox News. He's fine with that as long as marginalized folks are gone after. Not only that, it assumes that the libel laws would be applied evenly. They absolutely wouldn't be.
That's the thing, technically opening libel laws in this way should make the Foxes and Newsmaxes and Breitbarts and InfoWarses of the world equally vulnerable to litigation. But even putting aside those outlets have way more money to play with, fact is the Supreme Court would be under no obligation to apply this standard evenly, hell applying double standards that redound to conservatives' benefit is their whole MO! Easy to see how someone like Tucker or Hannity would attract a libel lawsuit and SCOTUS could carve out some "they aren't journalists, they're entertainers" exemption for them. People like Jones and Sidney Powell already use this tactic in court for themselves.
 

Teh_Lurv

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I mean this in the nicest way possible, but did Clarence Thomas fucking hit his head really hard recently? Or is he just fully going mask off?

"The liberals made my life miserable for 43 years," a former clerk remembered Thomas – who was 43 years old when confirmed – saying, according to The New York Times. "And I'm going to make their lives miserable for 43 years."

www.businessinsider.com

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas told his law clerks in the '90s that he wanted to serve for 43 years to make liberals' lives 'miserable'

In a 1993 article in The New York Times, a former law clerk of the Supreme Court Justice said Thomas held a grudge against liberals for making his life miserable.
 

Slayven

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Clarence Ruckus Thomas has always been like this.

He's just got his marching orders now. Don't nobody be fooled into thinking that he's just out here saying all this shit for nothing.
Every law school in america should have a bust of Anita hill in their front hall with the words "To our eternal shame, we are sorry"
 

The Albatross

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That would pretty must destroy the right-wing news sphere overnight

It wouldn't. It'd bring about a shit load of litigation from corporations and billionaires who have vendettas against mainstream media/news outlets. While you might have some hit against small conservative broadcasters like Breitbart or Newsmax (who would just shift their tone to say that they're "opinion" or something, stream on YouTube or Rumble), the biggest affect would be on responsible investigative journalist outlets that are always at risky funding levels.

Thomas explicitly mentions "the New York Times and its progeny," because that's who they're going after. NYT investigative reporting, ProPublica, NPR. Organizations that are on shaky long-term financial ground and don't have enough funding to fight legal battles against all comers. The NYT is profitable and has wealthy backers, but at some point "editorial decisions" get made if doing investigative reporting on, say, the Sackler family is going to result in $400m of legal fees.