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CivicScience(US based survey): Intent to buy new PlayStation and Xbox Consoles is neck-and-neck this Holiday season(58% PS5/42% XSX); And other stuff
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From what I read here and elsewhere is Microsoft produced less consoles for launch than Sony. Microsoft also made more series X than Series S. Yet PS5 sold out with in minutes and Series X in a few hours but still can preorder Series S.
I think some peoples expectations for Series S are overblown especially in Europe.
I don't think the Zenimax deal will shift the needle much in Microsoft's favour. Most don't care and there is still open questions about it.
I think some peoples expectations for Series S are overblown especially in Europe.
I don't think the Zenimax deal will shift the needle much in Microsoft's favour. Most don't care and there is still open questions about it.
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Seriously, either this data isn't worth much or well, actually, no, I just straight up don't buy it.
The Bethesda acquisition wouldn't have changed much since MS has no games to show for it. It doesn't matter right now to the average consumer. Series S, however, would've changed a lot i think.
If over the next generation MS can get another 15 million game pass subscribers on PC and Xcloud alone, they won't care if they drop a few percentage points in terms of console hardware market share.
This was really funny before you edited in the million.
Trump actually did poll neck and neck in national polls.
If MS only get another 15M GP subs over this gen, I'd wager they'd be pretty disappointed.
I really thought I might have been fast enough :'(
I mean they don't need a lot of new subscribers outside of the console ecosystem to make up for a small dip in console sales. I actually believe they will get far more new subscribers than that, but I am interested in seeing how many people who don't buy a Series X or S will sign up just for other platforms.
It only represents the Xbox Series X though, a portion of the next-gen Xbox devices. The Series S is expected to be the better selling console.
And this poll was done a week after the Series S reveal.
I had to read it three or four times before I understood what you meant, I was very confused about this bold new fifteen person strategy.
In the US, where this survey was done, the xsx and xss sold out immediately.
Both are going to sell out and be great machines, but I think we have very different definitions of "neck and neck" lol.
Agreed they moved beyond console gaming their more relevant opponents are Amazon/Facebook/Google or any sort of cloud streaming service that might threaten Xcloud
I seem to recall about 5 major nationwide polls that declared hilary the winner with around 70%. Fivethirtyeight was one of the worst.
But you know what? Maybe I am wrong and for once in the entire span of humanity humans will actually so what they say they will do, who knows.
FiveThirtyEight have a lot of failings, but they were actually the most skeptical about a certain Hillary win of the major predictors.
Digital only makes the Series S(512GB) much less appealing, along with game pass, this setup requires a good ISP which may be out of reach for many. We did lose the net neutrality war :/
The weaker specs also make it less appealing, folks might have less money but they are aware of the difference and 4k tvs are pretty cheap nowadays(i bought mine for $200). So maybe these folks would rather wait for a price drop than to settle on something inferior.
PS4 was also the most popular console, lower income gamers won't be able to play their backlog on a xbox.
Why switch when many of your friends are staying on PS? network effect is still in play thanks to BC.
overall Series S and game pass does target a certain segment of gamers, but i don't know how effective it will be.
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This also doesn't take into account the Xbox eco system on PC and Xcloud which might pass the number of consoles xbox sells in the next couple of years.
Series S isn't a console for enthusiast who pre order. It'll be a slow long burn console for late adopters.
That what you initially said. If the gap is bigger than what the market share that playstation 4 is currently enjoying how are they going to be more competitive? Again to be more competitive Xbox would have a gain market share in other territories.
It would be pretty funny if right before launch they had Phil Spencer get up and be like, "And it's always online! We're bringing back Kinect! Your Tivo will be your most used software!"
I'm in my early 30's and most people I know don't play much more than light indi games on pc.
I also wonder how well the Xbox will do in other English speaking countries. I'm pretty sure it's normally been competitive unlike in Europe or Japan.
This is a US only survey.
For launch, where the most likely population to even want to buy is enthusiasts/ early adopters.
... And it's basically 60/40 in favor of PS (increasing 1% since Jan for PS), in the country where Xbox has its biggest foothold.
Playstayion looks about to beat Xbox again this next gen, perhaps just as much as it did this gen.
You can't dismiss what Sony did with PS4. That 110m install base in not gonna suddenly jump ship specially if they have a huge catalog from the past 7 yrs on PS4.
If I remember, there were lots of talks about the current gen being ultra important this time around because it would have a big impact on the people on these systems by end of the generation. As you've seen, plenty of people have invested lots in games including digital purchases. From Sony's past yearly reports, the digital ratio keeps growing and growing. (Thus having digital only variations a possibility now while not accepted 7yrs ago)
So to be honest MS has a long battle coming into the new generation? Will they beat out Sony? I dont think so. Will they close the gap? Yes that is entirely possible. Outside of Sony doing something catastrophic with the console and its line up, I dont think they are bound for failure regardless what some die hards tell you. Outside of muddy messaging to enthusiasts crowd, they seem to have a strong favor on their side everywhere you go in social media networks.
That doesn't matter though. If they shat the bed last time, and now default is Sony why would people switch back if they're content with the offering the received from Sony this generation. Now if you're saying s significant proportion of people will pick up a Series S/X in addition to a PS5 I neither have the data to refute or support that statement. Remember this survey is just US I don't expect if this was done in other countries for the percentage to stay "close" as the survey.
Those ratios aren't neck and neck lol
What numbers are you basing on Sony not being big in Asia? The Middle East alone is a region where PlayStation sells millions and runs virtually unopposed.
There's a reason why the PS3 with all its baggage and launch stupidity, still managed to outsell the X360 every year it was being sold. Microsoft sold like double what Sony did with the PS3 in the States, and the console that was more expensive, had the shitty multiplat ports, that released 12-16 months later, outsold them every single year.
What numbers are you basing on Sony not being big in Asia? The Middle East alone is a region where PlayStation sells millions and runs virtually unopposed.
There's a reason why the PS3 with all its baggage and launch stupidity, still managed to outsell the X360 every year it was being sold. Microsoft sold like double what Sony did with the PS3 in the States, and the console that was more expensive, had the shitty multiplat ports, that released 12-16 months later, outsold them every single year.
I don't get the "US is XBox territory" takes. Of the three generations they've gone head to head, Sony beat them in two of them, including the latest one that carries a lot of the online momentum over.
I expect Sony to still come out on top over Microsoft this generation, but the gap will be smaller.
Worldwide though, it'll be Sony as Microsoft is kind of a non presence.
I expect Sony to still come out on top over Microsoft this generation, but the gap will be smaller.
Worldwide though, it'll be Sony as Microsoft is kind of a non presence.
Microsoft has Gamepass and Xcloud, they don't need to be the "console sales winner" to succeed in the generation. The fight isn't even Microsoft vs Sony it's going to end up being Microsoft vs Amazon. Sony and Nintendo will fight over the traditionalist console space.
I was talking in terms of the U.S. I think the gap will be smaller because MS has been pulling all the right moves, but I still think Sony will edge them out a little bit in the states.
Its weird how different it is in the states compared to other countries. Meaning, you can still get a Series S in other countries, but they sold out in the U.S. as quickly as the X. I'm sure this market is important for them with being home court and all.
People following d-pope are the hardcore and there were a lot of sour fanboys after the announcement. Not a good way to judge interest.
I find press/media feedback to be more reliable on how things will do. They were hyped on PS4, less so on Xbox. Likewise interest in wiiu wasn't great and look how the gen panned out. Hype for Xbox this time around reminds me of the 360 days. Microsoft seems to have the mindshare, hardcore will still buy ps5 early like they did PS3 but Xbox will make a lot of ground. The overall race will be close I think.
Kind of a weird response to people talking about how competitive Xbox can be in marketshare, honestly.
I think the gap will shrink in the US this coming generation, even with all the blunders Microsoft made during the Xbox One launch and a general lack of quality exclusives by comparison, they were still very close in sales.
Those are loyal customers.
Those are loyal customers.
