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Cis does not mean heterosexual
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To give one recent example:
William Shatner says being called a 'straight white cis man' is a way of 'harassing and debasing' him
‘Star Trek’ actor said term was a ‘slur’ only ever used for ‘negative reasons’www.independent.co.uk
William Shatner says ‘straight white cis man’ is a ‘slur’ that ‘harasses and debases’ him
Across tweets stretching several days, William Shatner sparred with LGBT+ Twitter users over the term cisgender, often shortened to cis.www.pinknews.co.uk
As if we needed another reason why picard > kirk, goddamn
I think its because they are being labelled, when you are straight and cis you are considered the "default" and dont need need labels, so to be labelled makes them feel like they are being "othered" if that makes sense.
Thats the way I've always seen it at least. There's really no excuse for being outraged by it, even if they don't know what it means because if they wanted to look up what it means they would
Nothing in the OP is new to me, but I appreciate the PSA. Thanks OP.
While we're here: I'm told saying "transgendered" is insulting. Is that true? Instead of saying "that person is transgendered" it'd be more polite to say "that is a transgender person," correct? Same for cisgender person vs cisgendered.
While we're here: I'm told saying "transgendered" is insulting. Is that true? Instead of saying "that person is transgendered" it'd be more polite to say "that is a transgender person," correct? Same for cisgender person vs cisgendered.
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I don't know if it's insulting or not but adding the ed at the end makes it sound like it's something that happened to them when it isn't. They're just a person who happens to be trans, as opposed to a person who happens to be cis.
And yeah, that should be fine. You can also just say trans person instead of the full word and nobody will care, saves on syllables.
Thank you OP for making this highly informative thread.
Learned quite a bit from reading the posts in here.
Learned quite a bit from reading the posts in here.
Yes, bingo. As Bee.Cups mentioned you can abbreviate to trans woman in the majority of cases. The article below goes into it but there's a number of connotations that "transgendered" has that don't sit well. References below to pad out knowledge if useful.
Why you should always use "transgender" instead of "transgendered"
It's not just about being polite.
www.vox.com
Resources For Journalists And Media Covering Chaz Bono And Transgender Issues | GLAAD
Contact: Sharda SekaranDirector of News and Field Media(646) [email protected] McQuadeDeputy Director of News and Field Media(646) [email protected] Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) today is urging both local and national media to take the following into...
www.glaad.org
Yeah, actually most of the other lesbians I know are non-binary too. We're growing each day! :D But lesbianism as a whole is just really, really complex & hard to grasp for many nonlesbians as we're (outside of ace/aro people) the only people who's romantic & sexual life don't have a place for men (outside of awful comphet :( ) & many don't like/understand that. And womanhood is so deeply connected with heteronormativity & the patriarchy & just men in general that for many of us being non-binary, butches, he/him lesbians or all 3 together is.. really freeing. At least I know that's what it feels like for me & friends.
Case in point: I am non-binary, but whether or not I'm also trans is still something I'm trying to figure out.
Funniest thing to me will always be cishet men who get mad about getting called cishet & say shit like "'I'm not hetero and cis I'm a straight man" lmao people are so fucking stupid
!!! The weight that got lifted off of my shoulders the second I realized I was a lesbian? Massive.
not everyone knows about everything. Could be a chance to educate them.
Also this is a happy thread. I'm glad it exists for people who didn't know already.
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I would say that this very thread kind of muddies the waters on that. I am not sure how can you be using 'cis' incorrectly and not be using it as a slur or at least in a derogatory manner.
Yep being a lesbian is great. I'm a femme lesbian myself and couldn't be happier, and I fully support non-binary lesbians.
I always thought the problem was more people being too fast to throw "cishet" when arguing with someone, since it can lead to mislabeling cis people who aren't hetero at all.
Yeah, this seems like a good barometric to tell if people are getting it. Getting people to understand how they're cis is just as important as explaining how other people are trans.
I've gotta imagine this is quite confusing for eastern europeans lol
? I'm not talking about people who just don't know, I'm talking about men who clearly are ignorant & hurtful & don't want to change their ways. Most know that heterosexual means straight, but of course not everyone knows that cis means, well, not trans. I'm talking about the ones who think cishet is a slur, nothing negative about pointing out there's an insane amount of homophobic & transphobic cishet men who're the same ones that say asinine shit like "I don't use pronouns it's SJW shit". I'm glad this thread can educate people who didn't know about the term cisgender before & that people are understanding, doesn't mean I can't make a lighthearted joke about the hypocrisy of men who want me & others like me dead that I have to put up with every day. I'm genuinely sorry if it came off differently, wasn't my intention.
I've been getting more comfortable accepting that I'm just more butch than femme lately and it's so beautiful. I just love how diverse the lesbian community is & that for the most part everyone just supports each other wholeheartedly. And thank you for being supportive yourself, it means a whole lot. ;w;
Thanks, I wanted to mention that after reading OP.
I guess people just don't know how to use that word sensitively, because basically everyone I've told to please stop using the word as a noun or a verb has had the same reaction: Understanding. I'm sure this won't work for people that are openly transphobic in different ways, but this specific issue of using the word wrong is one of the few honest mistakes you see people make. Not that the lack of malice makes it less frustrating and/or hurtful, I'm sure.
Don't forget Star Wars
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Thanks! I really appreciate the clarification, as it's something I was unsure of myself, not so much the cis part, but the distinction between "trans man/transwoman" and "trans man/trans woman"
Exactly.
Not exactly and completely on the final part. Though colloquially trans can mean everything outside of the binary there are lots of non-binary people who don't see or identify themselves as trans. Thus the assumption that all people that are non-binary are trans is a problematic one as it incorrectly assumes the identity of others. Something to be aware of and even Stonewall is careful to make the distinction:
10 ways to step up as an ally to non-binary people
14 July is International Non-Binary People’s Day, which aims to celebrate the wide range of people worldwide who identify as non-binary. But do you know what it means to be non-binary? And do you know how you can better support non-binary people? Here are some ideas! ...www.stonewall.org.uk
If people that are non-binary do identify as trans then obviously no issue in those cases.
I do think that because non-binary is "new" to a lot of people, they don't know where it fits.
I'm thinking extra-? Outside of. Maybe even intra- for within? Or maybe to align with intersex, inter- for between. I guess it depends on your persepective as a non-binary person.
For example, "extragender" as compared to cis or trans. For now, I suppose non-binary is sufficient for now?
Things like this make me happy and really encourages my introspection of my own non/binary identity.
I have a lot to think about. But I think it would just be the freedom that I'm looking for in a way.
I'm a cisgender (?) man . . . but I feel like there's a lot of pressure for me to perform a certain way. This includes following white supremacist norms as well, because I'm a PoC who's fair . . . and was always told to pass.
I'm tired of the narratives of passing, and I just don't care anymore. I am my own person, I want to embrace my roots, and I want to embrace my own gender identity, whatever that is. I want to practice anti-racism at the core of my being, and also anti-gender/sex/misogyny as well.
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