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She does have her accent, not sure why they're sayin' otherwise.
some of it's still there (actual french words like au revoire, oui, mon ami, etc.), but the auto-generated lines that added stuff like z in every other word seems to be... not doing that anymore?
"Shows that Square doesn't care" after the blog post we got yesterday about the lengths they had to go through to even make this happen is just flat out wrong, man
Oh, was it much more common in the original? I guess I forgot, hah.
nah its the same as the ps1 version ... 15fps in battles... lol
SE just didnt try at all.. 20 bones please...
Oh, I see. Yeah that might have bigger implications for other characters since a large part of their "unique" dialogue was just the auto-filter running normal dialogue through something that changed it to their quirks. Poshul might not have a lisp now, maybe?
well if they really did "take those lengths" they need to go back to fucking school, but it doesn't show at all. when a modder can make better AI BGs than a billion dollar company that made the games in the first damn place..which seem to not care even enough to KEEP THE OG FILES of their million dollar saling games. lol maybe in a year of two modders will fix it.. but im fucking over these cash grabs which is all they are.. its good ppl that's never played it can now but why do they have to just barely try, then come out with a blog post saying how hard it was.
MAYBE keep your og game data files and stop being ridiculous.
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OK Opened up the folder for the game aaaand in the data folder is.... cdrom.dat and cdrom2.dat. Renamed to bin and opened up archive:
edit: Looking at it further it seems like they did emulate the original code and logic and then have their own injection method for the HD stuff. There's another file HD.dat with similar directory structure to the OG game assets only they're the newer HD ones. At any rate all of this is to say mods will definitely be possible! Window frame swaps for instance should be as easy as replacing the PNG files. It should also be possible to change background.png in the ui.dat archive to just a black screen which will remove the border stuff, as well as button prompts for gamepads. Movies are still in bink format.
edit: Looking at it further it seems like they did emulate the original code and logic and then have their own injection method for the HD stuff. There's another file HD.dat with similar directory structure to the OG game assets only they're the newer HD ones. At any rate all of this is to say mods will definitely be possible! Window frame swaps for instance should be as easy as replacing the PNG files. It should also be possible to change background.png in the ui.dat archive to just a black screen which will remove the border stuff, as well as button prompts for gamepads. Movies are still in bink format.
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Some samples of what can be expected from a true HD restoration mod:
www.reddit.com
The are by far the best AI upscales i have seen for the game so far.
Reddit - Dive into anything
www.reddit.com
The are by far the best AI upscales i have seen for the game so far.
Some samples of what can be expected from a true HD restoration mod:
Reddit - Dive into anything
Honestly it's all I want. I feel like a brat to be snooty about the quality of a game 20 years later, but CC's backgrounds are HONESTLY pretty perfect and deserved better.
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went and bought it because for $20 why not. i like the fast forward stuff but im a bit surprised that:
1) theres no fast forward in battle
2) theres no way to change graphic style during the game
3) there's no save states
otherwise seems cool so far looking forward to playing more.
1) theres no fast forward in battle
2) theres no way to change graphic style during the game
3) there's no save states
otherwise seems cool so far looking forward to playing more.
oh man NICE im jealousSome samples of what can be expected from a true HD restoration mod:
Reddit - Dive into anything
The are by far the best AI upscales i have seen for the game so far.
There's definitely fast forward in battle
Yep
perhaps as a counter to the negativity of the last page, I played for a couple hours last night and I was pretty happy! I think the backgrounds look better than I expected on my OLED Switch. The new models/art look great as well. The framerate in battles is probably ssssslightly better than the original (I've played it pretty recently so I feel comfortable saying that), but yeah definitely not great. That being said most people should be fast-forwarding through the battles so who really cares lol.
Music is wonderful - it's the same but if you listen to the soundtrack regularly you can definitely appreciate the upgraded quality.
anyways I love this game with all my heart and I'm excited more people will get to try it!
Music is wonderful - it's the same but if you listen to the soundtrack regularly you can definitely appreciate the upgraded quality.
anyways I love this game with all my heart and I'm excited more people will get to try it!
it literally does nothing for me. at least in the intro and tutorial battle, the speed doesnt change at all. will try again later. auto battle is cool though
This is the minimum anyone should expect from a remaster of Chrono Cross.Some samples of what can be expected from a true HD restoration mod:
Reddit - Dive into anything
The are by far the best AI upscales i have seen for the game so far.
I don't think I'll ever stop being befuddled by the fact that Squeenix spent the budget necessary to literally redraw every single background in Legend of Mana, but for Chrono Cross all we get is a shitty upscale.
That's the thing, right? When you apply a filter like the one they use on here for the backgrounds, it'll look fine on a smaller screen / resolution, but when you play on a TV, it'll look bad.
It should be theoretically possible to copy the provided OG background assets over the "HD" ones that look... not great.
nah its the same as the ps1 version ... 15fps in battles... lol
SE just didnt try at all.. 20 bones please...
It's not just that, I was instantly shocked at how choppy it felt running around the intro sequence. I couldn't believe this wasn't just a straight port.
lol if only Square Enix had the money and brains do it lol smfh ... but alsoSome samples of what can be expected from a true HD restoration mod:
Reddit - Dive into anything
The are by far the best AI upscales i have seen for the game so far.
hopefully in a year or so it will be finished...
Good lord.
Thanks for the info. I was holding off for PC thinking it may be fixable there. I'm gonna wait on this and eee if it's something that can be fixed I guess. Really strange…
I mean, your first post about it made it seem like you were upset because of the idea that nobody plays Another Eden, which isn't actually the case. I totally get wanting a prettier remaster, it would be amazing to have a complete Chrono package that's truly HD, but there's a huge difference between making a single CG advertisement and redoing an entire 20-40-hour RPG, you know?
Chrono Cross: The Radical Dreamers Edition – Remastering a classic
Producer Koichiro Sakamoto reveals the exciting challenges of remastering and enhancing the classic PlayStation RPG.blog.playstation.com
wtf is up with SE lol they make fucking millions from these games in the past and they cant seem to keep the OG raw data files from any of their games that made them what they are now...
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fucking embarrassing..
they said this a number of times..from a number of remasters. unless their studio was flooded or some shit their incompetence isnt an excuse anymore.. like WTF are they doing...
It's not dev laziness, though. Not keeping source code or assets isn't something exclusive to Square, and it doesn't mean they're lazy or incompetent; it was an entirely normal practice back when these games were developed. For example, here's a clip of a few people talking about it in the context of Konami (and Japanese devs in general).
Western devs have had problems with it too, like with the Mass Effect and Baldur's Gate (#2 under what went wrong) remasters. Same with the 2016 Ratchet and Clank game (#2 under what went wrong there as well). It's just a common thing. Nothing to do with laziness or incompetence or anything like that, not an excuse. Times were different then, digital storage was nearly all physical (cloud storage didn't really get big until, like, 2006ish or so?), and the industry as a whole didn't really expect remasters to be a thing, let alone that they'd need the source code for anything else, especially with how development was so different for each console.
Long story short, the industry had no idea what its future would be, and game archiving/preservation is still barely getting off the ground nowadays, let alone back then.
Harle's faux-French accent always made me cringe as a French speaker so I'm glad it's gone.
Won't have time to play it till later, looking forward to play the game again. It's an unlikely choice for a remaster (and I say this as fan) so I'm glad to see it get some love.
Won't have time to play it till later, looking forward to play the game again. It's an unlikely choice for a remaster (and I say this as fan) so I'm glad to see it get some love.
Indeed but there are ways to fix that nowadays and if fans can do it in their free time why can't a multi million dollar company like Square Enix do it? Not to mention other remasters from the same era they did recently where fine and they didn't have the source files for those either.
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That is easy to say in hindsight. Fact of the matter is, extremely few companies (Nintendo is basically the only real big example) went through the effort to actually archive this stuff until relatively recently because it used to be prohibitively expensive and complicated to deal with the process of digitally preserving their old resources (and it isn't exactly an easy process now). The reason SquareEnix just happens to be exposed more frequently is because they have attempted more rereleases of the games impacted. Most companies just don't talk about the problem and/or don't bother rereleasing those games, and those that do (namely Sega) goes with other solutions to differing levels of success.
To be clear, yeah, I wish they had done more here. That said, given they also went through the effort of localizing Radical Dreamers and did some other small things here or there, it's not like they didn't try at all, which is why I made a very specific request at the start of the thread for people to just be mindful of how they criticize this remaster.
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Because fans doing it in their free time have exactly that: free time
They have all the time in the world to work on these things to get them perfect (and sometimes they aren't! mods can be glitchy sometimes) versus the people doing it for a job that have to deal with all sorts of deadlines, restrictions, technical concerns, etc.
And while there are other remasters of games from that era that don't run into that issue, it's not like there's a lot of them that don't. SaGa Frontier HD and Legend of Mana HD were better off yeah, but they also had execs who were willing to give those the resources and (more importantly) time to be able to get it right (and SFHD is also more expensive as a result).
Companies have trouble doing these things for several reasons.
- The ROI doesn't make sense; they will not make the budget back.
- Rights management. They may not be able to secure the rights to certain things (like music, art, etc). Fans don't have to give a shit. Corporations do.
- Open-source software. A lot of companies forbid the usage of open-source software as anything other than the base of proprietary code. Especially older companies like SQEX. So the AI upscaling technology simply cannot be used.
I'm fairly certain even Kingdom Hearts has a story about lost dev code. This stuff used to be kept on literal floppies or CDs that were shoved into a locker after completion.
Look guys, we got a shout-out!
Play-Asia also have utterly rip-off-merchant prices, so there are other good reasons to shop around for the Chrono Cross physical anyway.
Play-Asia also have utterly rip-off-merchant prices, so there are other good reasons to shop around for the Chrono Cross physical anyway.
I just found the memcard.mcr files inside save.dat located at My Documents/My Games/[CCDir]/ lol
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I actually figured they were handling the saving that way based on how the game handles autosaving, which is actually done in kind of a neat simple way.