Chrono Cross: The Radical Dreamers Edition |OT| The Forbidden Treasure No Longer

Deleted member 17860 · Apr 7, 2022

this is one of my fav games ever made and still has the best ost ever in a jrpg but this remaster is just fucking embarrassing and just shows that square doesn't care.. :/ :( the ai enhanced backgrounds are fucking terrible blows me away that fans most ly always do a better job than the ppl that made it in the first place.. I hope fans can mod it so ill just wait i guess.
after seeing that cgi cutscene for a mobile fucking game that no one plays.. this is just a slap in the face...
https://youtu.be/qqYEivU9_Bg?t=57 glad ppl are getting to play it that havent but this is just sad... why cant they TRY and have some respect for their series from the past. :/

-__- this or nothing.

entrydenied · Apr 7, 2022

neoism said:
this is one of my fav games ever made and still has the best ost ever in a jrpg but this remaster is just fucking embarrassing and just shows that square doesn't care.. :/ :( the ai enhanced backgrounds are fucking terrible blows me away that fans most ly always do a better job than the ppl that made it in the first place.. I hope fans can mod it so ill just wait i guess.
after seeing that cgi cutscene for a mobile fucking game that no one plays.. this is just a slap in the face...
https://youtu.be/qqYEivU9_Bg?t=57 glad ppl are getting to play it that havent but this is just sad... why cant they TRY and have some respect for their series from the past. :/

-__- this or nothing.

The mobile game is actually quite fun and doesn't require any gatcha to get through the main story. It's pretty much a spiritual successor to Chrono Trigger.

Yu Narukami · Apr 7, 2022

Which option doesn't stretch the screen?

Ghostfacedon · Apr 7, 2022

Downloaded on ps5, but gotta go to work. I'll dive in after and look up some guides to get the characters I want. Looking forward to playing this one.

lobdale · Apr 7, 2022

I kinda like the Van Gogh style impressionistic way the backgrounds look almost watercolor now. The CG videos look much better than the pixelated compressed mess you're looking at if you play the original on a modern display. Framerate seemed identical or slightly better than the original in 30 minutes of Switch playtime last night.

Chucker · Apr 7, 2022

VinceK said:
I really wish I had known there was no save feature in Radical Dreamers before I started it.

Oh this sucks looks like I just had a weird bug where the menu wouldn't open to let me save just lost 2 hours of progress in Radical dreamers

I have 3 saves in Radical Dreamers. Hit Y on an Xbox pad, so probably triangle on a PS pad.

hamghost · Apr 7, 2022

What a fantastic OT, well done Nairume! I have the game preloaded on my Switch, can't wait to start it once I'm home from work.

MatrixMan.exe · Apr 7, 2022

Falus said:
So how are the performances on switch ?

Framerate is all over the place. In battles, it ranges anywhere between what feels like 20-60fps. Will no doubt be the same on other systems though as this clearly isn't a hardware issue.

Vareon · Apr 7, 2022

neoism said:
this is one of my fav games ever made and still has the best ost ever in a jrpg but this remaster is just fucking embarrassing and just shows that square doesn't care.. :/ :( the ai enhanced backgrounds are fucking terrible blows me away that fans most ly always do a better job than the ppl that made it in the first place.. I hope fans can mod it so ill just wait i guess.
after seeing that cgi cutscene for a mobile fucking game that no one plays.. this is just a slap in the face...
https://youtu.be/qqYEivU9_Bg?t=57 glad ppl are getting to play it that havent but this is just sad... why cant they TRY and have some respect for their series from the past. :/

-__- this or nothing.

Another Eden is a legit good game that have been performing well for 5 years.

Foot · Apr 7, 2022

Dice said:
I got the pink doggie the first time and god SUPER confused if they weren't a weird joke character of some kind (IIRC she even "thpeaks like this!").

I love Poshul! I will also never use Poshul outside of the first hour when there aren't any other characters. Po-shu-shu!

jett · Apr 7, 2022

MatrixMan.exe said:
Framerate is all over the place. In battles, it ranges anywhere between what feels like 20-60fps. Will no doubt be the same on other systems though as this clearly isn't a hardware issue.

That's exactly how it is on the PS1. I doubt this will be improved at all, ever.

TheMoon · Apr 7, 2022

TheMoon said:
can someone please finally confirm whether or not you can turn off the ugly border and just have a black frame? thanks! early in the thread a mod said yes (2nd hand info) and they'd check again later but nothing since then.

anyone??

parasite2 · Apr 7, 2022

TigerTigerTiger said:
There is going to be a physical release?

Physical in Asia for Nintendo Switch only. Even Japan didn't get a physical release.

parasite2 · Apr 7, 2022

neoism said:
this is one of my fav games ever made and still has the best ost ever in a jrpg but this remaster is just fucking embarrassing and just shows that square doesn't care.. :/ :( the ai enhanced backgrounds are fucking terrible blows me away that fans most ly always do a better job than the ppl that made it in the first place.. I hope fans can mod it so ill just wait i guess.
after seeing that cgi cutscene for a mobile fucking game that no one plays.. this is just a slap in the face...
https://youtu.be/qqYEivU9_Bg?t=57 glad ppl are getting to play it that havent but this is just sad... why cant they TRY and have some respect for their series from the past. :/

-__- this or nothing.

This is the reason for the bad remaster:

"It is at least typically easier to port original PlayStation games than PlayStation 2 titles (the chip inside the PS2 is really unique, and difficult to emulate well), but we faced an additional challenge when it came to Chrono Cross, as the game program and graphical data weren't preserved in a complete form."

Source: https://blog.playstation.com/2022/0...dical-dreamers-edition-remastering-a-classic/

Lothars · Apr 7, 2022

neoism said:
this is one of my fav games ever made and still has the best ost ever in a jrpg but this remaster is just fucking embarrassing and just shows that square doesn't care.. :/ :( the ai enhanced backgrounds are fucking terrible blows me away that fans most ly always do a better job than the ppl that made it in the first place.. I hope fans can mod it so ill just wait i guess.
after seeing that cgi cutscene for a mobile fucking game that no one plays.. this is just a slap in the face...
https://youtu.be/qqYEivU9_Bg?t=57 glad ppl are getting to play it that havent but this is just sad... why cant they TRY and have some respect for their series from the past. :/

-__- this or nothing.

This remaster is good, I think your reaction is overblown for the sake of it but them putting the effort to bring it out on more platforms is a positive.

Holmes · Apr 7, 2022

Psxphile said:
Battle input delay was a thing back then, and its a thing now apparently.

Not much more to add except that you get used to it.

What's weird is that I played this game so many times, as recently as late last year, and I don't remember it being this bad.

Ovvv · Apr 7, 2022

neoism said:
this is one of my fav games ever made and still has the best ost ever in a jrpg but this remaster is just fucking embarrassing and just shows that square doesn't care.. :/ :( the ai enhanced backgrounds are fucking terrible blows me away that fans most ly always do a better job than the ppl that made it in the first place.. I hope fans can mod it so ill just wait i guess.
after seeing that cgi cutscene for a mobile fucking game that no one plays.. this is just a slap in the face...
https://youtu.be/qqYEivU9_Bg?t=57 glad ppl are getting to play it that havent but this is just sad... why cant they TRY and have some respect for their series from the past. :/

-__- this or nothing.

So much misinformation in one post lol

Kevers · Apr 7, 2022

I played this game shortly after release and never finished it so I figured I'd go for it now. How easy is it to miss stuff in this game, I feel like with the cast of characters it's easy to miss a lot of side content without a guide, is that actually the case? Also I remember at the time being confused slightly by the battle system and all of that, does somebody have a decent primer that explains it maybe a little clearer?

Crispy · Apr 7, 2022

TheMoon said:
anyone??

I'm not at home to DEF confirm right now, but in my experience the borders can't be turned off. You have some graphics options which do change them:

In 'normal' view you see borders on the side and a tiny border on the top (and bottom?)
In 'zoomed' view the borders at the top and bottom are gone and the borders on the side are smaller. These may also be black/darker
In 'full' view, the image is stretched. Here there are no borders but it looks like crap.

I play on zoomed mode myself.

Lastdancer · Apr 7, 2022

Kevers said:
I played this game shortly after release and never finished it so I figured I'd go for it now. How easy is it to miss stuff in this game, I feel like with the cast of characters it's easy to miss a lot of side content without a guide, is that actually the case? Also I remember at the time being confused slightly by the battle system and all of that, does somebody have a decent primer that explains it maybe a little clearer?

You will 100% miss stuff on an initial playthrough, by design. Don't worry about it though, just have fun!

As for a battle primer there is a couple blog entries here from a person well versed in it's design: http://www.doctorshrugs.com/blog/chrono-cross-pt-1/?msclkid=e2440882b67711ec993c9617dd828740

Renteka-Bond · Apr 7, 2022

Kevers said:
I played this game shortly after release and never finished it so I figured I'd go for it now. How easy is it to miss stuff in this game, I feel like with the cast of characters it's easy to miss a lot of side content without a guide, is that actually the case? Also I remember at the time being confused slightly by the battle system and all of that, does somebody have a decent primer that explains it maybe a little clearer?

Like LastDancer Said, you're most definitely gonna miss 'something' on your first playthrough, regardless of what you do. I'd recommend just enjoying it as it is then using a guide if you're so inclined on a subsequent playthrough. CC itself isn't particularly long as it is, imo especially with them giving speedup by default instead of in NG+, and even without finding 'secret' characters and such, the game gives you a good amount of characters AND the overworld is pretty compact as well.

EssBeeVee · Apr 7, 2022

i can't remember does the game even have button prompts? i was going to ask what button prompts does pc have (xbox, playstation or dynamic where it switches depending on your controller?)

Quinton · Apr 7, 2022

The Switch version got an update patch shortly before launch that seems to have improved performance from what Switch-based reviewers experienced beforehand.

I can't speak firsthand on this one since my review copy is for PS4. But I saw a clip of a Switch reviewer's progress on the game during embargo that looked worse than what I was dealing with at the time. The reviewer in question took a quick vid of their experience after the patch, and it definitely seems to have improved somewhat.

Yu Narukami · Apr 7, 2022

Quinton said:
The Switch version got an update patch shortly before launch that seems to have improved performance from what Switch-based reviewers experienced beforehand.

I can't speak firsthand on this one since my review copy is for PS4. But I saw a clip of a Switch reviewer's progress on the game during embargo that looked worse than what I was dealing with at the time. The reviewer in question took a quick vid of their experience after the patch, and it definitely seems to have improved somewhat.

Do you know what the "surprise" is if you beat both games?

Dice · Apr 7, 2022

TheMoon said:
anyone??

You'll use all those tacky frames and like it!

Quinton · Apr 7, 2022

Yu Narukami said:
Do you know what the "surprise" is if you beat both games?

Yes, I do.

Once you've cleared both Chrono Cross and Radical Dreamers at least once, sit through the (considerable!) length of credits from the main menu screen. At the end, and mind you it's all text-based so don't expect anything visually splashy, you'll get dialogue from Guile reflecting on battling the Time Devourer with Serge and Kid. I'm not gonna go into details because I think it's cool and y'all should experience it for yourselves, but the twist here is that Guile has been, well, inducted into canon as Magus after all.

LordHuffnPuff · Apr 7, 2022

Quinton said:
Yes, I do.

Once you've cleared both Chrono Cross and Radical Dreamers at least once, sit through the (considerable!) length of credits from the main menu screen. At the end, and mind you it's all text-based so don't expect anything visually splashy, you'll get dialogue from Guile reflecting on battling the Time Devourer with Serge and Kid. I'm not gonna go into details because I think it's cool and y'all should experience it for yourselves, but the twist here is that Guile has been, well, inducted into canon as Magus after all.

huge

Skyfireblaze · Apr 7, 2022

Say hearing about borders, wouldn't that mean that it could potentially degrade the OLED Switch's screen unevenly?

raketenrolf · Apr 7, 2022

Skyfireblaze said:
Say hearing about borders, wouldn't that mean that it could potentially degrade the OLED Switch's screen unevenly?

Shouldnt be much of an issue.

Valcrist · Apr 7, 2022

The borders not being changable has me pretty concerned for my OLED. Do not like!

Skyfireblaze · Apr 7, 2022

raketenrolf said:
Shouldnt be much of an issue.

Alright, I know that burn-in is pretty much a non-issue nowadays but with how long JRPGs can be played it still had me worried.

TheMoon · Apr 7, 2022

Crispy said:
I'm not at home to DEF confirm right now, but in my experience the borders can't be turned off. You have some graphics options which do change them:

In 'normal' view you see borders on the side and a tiny border on the top (and bottom?)

In 'zoomed' view the borders at the top and bottom are gone and the borders on the side are smaller. These may also be black/darker

~~In 'full' view, the image is stretched. Here there are no borders but it looks like crap.~~

I play on zoomed mode myself.

thanks, I edited the post to delete any crimes against humanity and good taste

Dice said:
You'll use all those tacky frames and like it!

Shadowrun · Apr 7, 2022

Skyfireblaze said:
Say hearing about borders, wouldn't that mean that it could potentially degrade the OLED Switch's screen unevenly?

Valcrist said:
The borders not being changable has me pretty concerned for my OLED. Do not like!

It took this YouTuber 3,600 hours to get burn-in, and they displayed the same image for the entire time.

Burn-in is a non-issue.

Skyfireblaze · Apr 7, 2022

Shadowrun said:
It took this YouTuber 3,600 hours to get burn-in, and they displayed the same image for the entire time.

I know but couldn't it potentially lead to uneven degradation atleast?

TheMoon · Apr 7, 2022

Skyfireblaze said:
Alright, I know that burn-in is pretty much a non-issue nowadays but with how long JRPGs can be played it still had me worried.

nintendo has an entire online membership retro game download service built around ever-present borders

Valcrist · Apr 7, 2022

Shadowrun said:
It took this YouTuber 3,600 hours to get burn-in, and they displayed the same image for the entire time.

Burn-in is a non-issue.

I'm not playing on Switch, I'm playing on an OLED TV.

Skyfireblaze · Apr 7, 2022

TheMoon said:
nintendo has an entire online membership retro game download service built around ever-present borders

I didn't think of that... Yeah okay I'll tell my worry-brain to be quiet :P

Izanagi89 · Apr 7, 2022

Valcrist said:
The borders not being changable has me pretty concerned for my OLED. Do not like!

Have a C1 and got the same worry lol but I think my eyes can get used to full screen which stretches to the edge of the screen.

https://youtu.be/b0rsIUPrgZY?t=334

Jave · Apr 7, 2022

I'm doing my first playthrough with no guide to get the OG experience, but I still want to know. I'm aware you will miss stuff on a first run, but there's nothing as bad as "Miss this and you're locked to a bad ending"?

I Must Not Tell Lies · Apr 7, 2022

Izanagi89 said:
Have a C1 and got the same worry lol but I think my eyes can get used to full screen which stretches to the edge of the screen.

https://youtu.be/b0rsIUPrgZY?t=334

You don't deserve Chrono Cross.

Nairume · Apr 7, 2022

Jave said:
I'm doing my first playthrough with no guide to get the OG experience, but I still want to know. I'm aware you will miss stuff on a first run, but there's nothing as bad as "Miss this and you're locked to a bad ending"?

Right. There is a "bad" ending, but you never get locked into it. You can always go back and do the things needed for the good ending.

TheMoon · Apr 7, 2022

Izanagi89 said:
Have a C1 and got the same worry lol but I think my eyes can get used to full screen which stretches to the edge of the screen.

https://youtu.be/b0rsIUPrgZY?t=334

I hereby request a ban

by which I mean a ban from playing any video game ever again

TheMoon · Apr 7, 2022

Quinton said:
The Switch version got an update patch shortly before launch that seems to have improved performance from what Switch-based reviewers experienced beforehand.

I can't speak firsthand on this one since my review copy is for PS4. But I saw a clip of a Switch reviewer's progress on the game during embargo that looked worse than what I was dealing with at the time. The reviewer in question took a quick vid of their experience after the patch, and it definitely seems to have improved somewhat.

we actually had this covered here:

DeejayDoom said:

Quinton · Apr 7, 2022

TheMoon said:
we actually had this covered here:

Hahah! Cullen's the guy I was talking about, too. He and I compared performance vids. Nice.

Ralemont · Apr 7, 2022

Quinton said:
Yes, I do.

Once you've cleared both Chrono Cross and Radical Dreamers at least once, sit through the (considerable!) length of credits from the main menu screen. At the end, and mind you it's all text-based so don't expect anything visually splashy, you'll get dialogue from Guile reflecting on battling the Time Devourer with Serge and Kid. I'm not gonna go into details because I think it's cool and y'all should experience it for yourselves, but the twist here is that Guile has been, well, inducted into canon as Magus after all.

Give Guile a Scythe you cowards

Quinton · Apr 7, 2022

Ralemont said:
Give Guile a Scythe you cowards

for real though

Deleted member 17860 · Apr 7, 2022

Chrono Cross: The Radical Dreamers Edition – Remastering a classic

Producer Koichiro Sakamoto reveals the exciting challenges of remastering and enhancing the classic PlayStation RPG.

blog.playstation.com

wtf is up with SE lol they make fucking millions from these games in the past and they cant seem to keep the OG raw data files from any of their games that made them what they are now...

-___-

It's a very difficult task. We used AI to help to sharpen the images, but that's not perfect – everything still comes down to having manual processes or the "human touch" to make sure it all looked appropriate.

The backgrounds you see in the final release is the result of a lot of effort from the team – something I'm very grateful to them for.

fucking embarrassing..

parasite2 said:
This is the reason for the bad remaster:

"It is at least typically easier to port original PlayStation games than PlayStation 2 titles (the chip inside the PS2 is really unique, and difficult to emulate well), but we faced an additional challenge when it came to Chrono Cross, as the game program and graphical data weren't preserved in a complete form."

Source: https://blog.playstation.com/2022/0...dical-dreamers-edition-remastering-a-classic/

they said this a number of times..from a number of remasters. unless their studio was flooded or some shit their incompetence isnt an excuse anymore.. like WTF are they doing...

Psxphile · Apr 7, 2022

Oh, Harle doesn't have her faux-french accent? Did none of the accented dialogue carry over into this new version? That's going to mess with my memories all right.

But, I got used to the new Frog... I can handle this. Maybe.

ZangBa · Apr 7, 2022

I played it for about an hour last night, I can't express how disappointed I was in how shitty this remaster feels. The framerate is just bizarre.

Deleted member 17860 · Apr 7, 2022

Ovvv said:
So much misinformation in one post lol

please tell me what is misinformation lol
the back grounds look like shit you thinking otherwise doesnt do anything...

ok so ppl play the mobile game lol
but they put more effort in that cut scene for a mobile game crossover than this remaster.

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