Interesting. This made me want to go and redownload it on my Vita, but I had to go into my purchase history to find it...no store page. I wonder when it was delisted.
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Chrono Cross remaster announced for Switch, PC, PS4, XBO. Releases April 7th 2022
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CHRONO CROSS: THE RADICAL DREAMERS EDITION on Steam
CHRONO CROSS is an RPG that transcends time and space, unfolding across two interlinked parallel worlds. With over 40 party members to meet, people and dimensions will intertwine in this epic drama about the planet itself.store.steampowered.com
Concerning that some of the gameplay shown seems low framerate ala the original. Interesting thing about Chrono Cross is that it technically ran variable framerates that I think capped at 15, 30, or 60, but original PSX hardware could never drive it at 60; you'd fluctuate between 15 and 30. If you use an emulator that can overclock the virtual CPU, you can actually hit consistent 60fps, and it looks just miles better than the inconsistent mess it is on real hardware. ...that is, until the game breaks because the overclock screws something up.
What I'm really getting at is, if they don't give us at least 60fps in this remaster, it'll be fucking criminal. The best thing you can do with a remaster of a game that asks too much of its' hardware is to really let it breathe.
What I'm really getting at is, if they don't give us at least 60fps in this remaster, it'll be fucking criminal. The best thing you can do with a remaster of a game that asks too much of its' hardware is to really let it breathe.
They do? :/
vs AI upscale:
It looks like the same terrible vaseline filter that we got in FFVII/VIII/IX on modern consoles. At least it seems we're getting the option to play it looking like it's essentially run using a PS1 emulator with pixelated font, backgrounds and character models?
*shrug* Looks about the same for me. One is just zoomed in more.
Didn't Square tie some back-end calculations to frame rate on a bunch of their PSX games?
I mean, it's very common for console games. Honestly the surprising thing was finding that framerate was actually unlocked in Cross, and being able to get it up to 60fps. Compare it to something like Final Fantasy 7, which is going to have 15fps battle animations regardless of what you do to the PSX clock (and why the recent mod for the PC version was a big deal, with 60 fps interpolation of all the game's animations).
A nice CRT filter is super handy in these situations. :)
Anyhow, what the fuck lol?
Did not see this coming. Amazing news. It's been a great couple of years for me! Legend of Mana and Chrono Cross are two of my favorite RPGs ever.
Yeah, It's really more of a mood piece with some ADV visual novel elements, rather than a fully fleshed-out capital-g Game. imo, the clear budget & technological constraints force some interesting choices, and it's very atmospheric.
Radical Dreamers does follow up some of Chrono Trigger's loose ends by the end of its main scenario (though it doesn't definitively finish with them), while Chrono Cross repurposes a good chunk of Radical Dreamers' plot to expand outward, and do it's own thing with a much bigger scope.
At the end of Radical Dreamers, it's explicitly revealed that Gil is Magus / Janus, having been searching for Schala since the end of Chrono Trigger, and that Kid is actually Schala reborn. They bounce to do other stuff that's never detailed, and leave Serge behind.
Chrono Cross has Guile, who was absolutely intended to be Magus early on in development, like Gil in Radical Dreamers. Then they realized they wanted ~40 other recruitable party members, and that the already extremely dense plot didn't leave a whole lot of room for his character and relationship with Schala. So they jettisoned that plotline, gave Guile amnesia, and detached the character from Magus / Janus.
I don't really want to touch the awful bonus dungeon(s) they added to later versions of Chrono Trigger, but the "Dimensional Vortex" retroactively adds a new ending meant to further bridge Trigger→Cross. Magus finds Schala, now in the process of fusing with Lavos, but is unable to free her. So Magus resigns, and loses all of his memories, ending up in some woods somewhere. I guess that's him becoming Guile?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Chrono Cross has Guile, who was absolutely intended to be Magus early on in development, like Gil in Radical Dreamers. Then they realized they wanted ~40 other recruitable party members, and that the already extremely dense plot didn't leave a whole lot of room for his character and relationship with Schala. So they jettisoned that plotline, gave Guile amnesia, and detached the character from Magus / Janus.
I don't really want to touch the awful bonus dungeon(s) they added to later versions of Chrono Trigger, but the "Dimensional Vortex" retroactively adds a new ending meant to further bridge Trigger→Cross. Magus finds Schala, now in the process of fusing with Lavos, but is unable to free her. So Magus resigns, and loses all of his memories, ending up in some woods somewhere. I guess that's him becoming Guile?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The secret is that Gale actually better in Radical Dreamers. It's punchier, uses better samples, and has a way better rhythm track to help follow the weird-ass time signature changes and polyrhythms.
To be absolutely fair, you aren't hearing it every 30 seconds though.
I'd assume if there's going to be, it's a classic "if one line crosses (ha) another on the sales chart for this port, we'll green-light it."
Not going to happen. Those assets are lost forever.
it's either a full-blown remake or the original iso wrapped in an emulator.
This was great to see in the direct, never had a chance to play Chrono Cross so I've got it pre-ordered. Now we just need Chrono Trigger to finally come to Switch too lol.
Yeah, at least a scanlines overlay or even some film grain.
I understand if they dont implement full CRT shaders due to the performance impact but...how about the other 2?
For now yes. It will most likely have an English release in Asia down the line much like all of the Square titles (FF7/8/9/SaGa Frontier, Legend of Mana, Romancing SaGa 2/3, I Am Setsuna, etc)
seems like it, sadly. would've liked having this on a switch cart.
The Switch version will almost certainly have an Asian English physical release eventually.
CHRONO CROSS: THE RADICAL DREAMERS EDITION on Steam
CHRONO CROSS is an RPG that transcends time and space, unfolding across two interlinked parallel worlds. With over 40 party members to meet, people and dimensions will intertwine in this epic drama about the planet itself.
Bought. I'm a sucker for this game.
So, is this game actually good? Or is it more of a cult fan favorite? Legitimately asking!
All I know from it is the amazing theme, and that it is a spiritual successor to Chrono Trigger (which I loved) but it did not live up to it apparently.
All I know from it is the amazing theme, and that it is a spiritual successor to Chrono Trigger (which I loved) but it did not live up to it apparently.
It's crazy that Chrono Cross is getting re-released for consoles while Trigger is still stuck on PC/mobile.
2/3 of the Chrono series is going to be playable on Switch/Xbox One/PS4...and the one game missing is Trigger, undeniably the most popular and well known of the series. What the hell. I really thought they'd announce CT for consoles alongside CC.
2/3 of the Chrono series is going to be playable on Switch/Xbox One/PS4...and the one game missing is Trigger, undeniably the most popular and well known of the series. What the hell. I really thought they'd announce CT for consoles alongside CC.
While I'd never discount SE wanting a guaranteed[?] payday by bringing the series back (people would certainly go nuts); the fact a lot of the original staff wouldn't be around for it is sorta depressing
The game is a mixed bag, but very good overall. As long as you don't go in expecting Trigger 2 you'll be in for a good time.
Part of the reason for this is that the rights to Chrono Trigger are a mess compared to Chrono Cross and Radical Dreamers.
RD = fully owned by SE
CC = owned by SE except the music (owned by Mitsuda)
CT = multiple owners (SE, Horii, Toriyama)
But Dragon Quest is in the exact same situation and gets ported pretty fine. Like it doesnt even seem thier on bad terms
Horii is the main driving force behind DQ, whereas he never seemed interested in Chrono after the release of the original game. He even went on record saying that he sees no reason to be involved in a CT2 because everything he would want to do in it he can already do in DQ instead.
While Horii is obviously not on bad terms with SE, I doubt he wants to collaborate with people like Kato, Kitase, Tokita, etc. again. Even during CT development they had some known disagreements (Square didn't want a silent protagonist but Horii wanted one).
That's not what is stopping it. It simple lack of will. There isn't really any advocates for CT to be ported.
Plus, you don't get the news/hype you would get for porting CC off of the PSX for the first time. CT has been on DS, PC, and PSX.
It goes out of its way to shit on Chrono Trigger's story and characters. It retroactively makes Chrono Trigger a worse game.
The Chrono Trigger rights. We've had this discussion before.
You are confusing standard boilerplate copyrights for something that it isn't.
Not sure how to feel….. 😅
I'll probably check it out at some point out of curiosity.
Jeez 0_O
Nope. It will add to the experience, but you can play it without knowing nothing from CT.
It is in a way... but I would be interested to see what a new generation of people would do with it. Kinda like how the Saga franchise is getting a kinda revival
After a quick think about it: ...Yeah, honestly, I'm on board with that. Shit, it was an apparently "younger staff" that helped take BOTW into the stratosphere it's been at today.
No. Some content was added for the NDS/PC release, but please just watch it on YouTube as it's tied to super duper tedious new (i.e. asset recycled) content.
But def have CT base game beaten, it's absolutely going to make CC better.
Sold about 790K worldwide according to Wiki.
Uh, ok? The DS is pretty old news now. That doesn't change the fact that CT currently isn't available on modern consoles at the moment.
Final Fantasy VII port: No AI upscaling, blurry backgrounds
Final Fantasy IX port: No AI upscaling, blurry backgrounds, fixed by Moguri Mod
Final Fantasy VIII Remastered Port: No AI upscaling, blurry backgrounds
SaGa Frontier Remastered: AI upscaling done well
Legend of Mana: AI upscaling done well
Chrono Cross: The Radical Dreamers Edition: Optional AI upscaling background toggle that looks very hit-or-miss that washes everything out, and can't pick & choose what gets changed (all or nothing for font/portraits/3D models/backgrounds).
Sounds like I'm getting Chrono Cross on Steam in the hopes fans touch this one up.
Final Fantasy IX port: No AI upscaling, blurry backgrounds, fixed by Moguri Mod
Final Fantasy VIII Remastered Port: No AI upscaling, blurry backgrounds
SaGa Frontier Remastered: AI upscaling done well
Legend of Mana: AI upscaling done well
Chrono Cross: The Radical Dreamers Edition: Optional AI upscaling background toggle that looks very hit-or-miss that washes everything out, and can't pick & choose what gets changed (all or nothing for font/portraits/3D models/backgrounds).
Sounds like I'm getting Chrono Cross on Steam in the hopes fans touch this one up.
They didn't upscale the backgrounds in that one, but rather painted over them. Looks great.