Scene was pretty bad. Seemed like she just walked away from the alien girl, in the middle of a conversation.
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Chris Terrio's amazing dialogue: "Martha!" vs [Rise of Skywalker Ending], which was dumber? (OPEN SPOILERS)
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Scene was pretty bad. Seemed like she just walked away from the alien girl, in the middle of a conversation.
Right! And I can see JJ flexing and wanting to keep the kiss in at least, and even that was was still too much for a lot of viewers...
There is no other reason I can imagine that could explain a script with a silent, but body language slightly goofy/lighthearted, Ben Solo.
Skywalker is an iconic name within the Star Wars universe and if she is going to be rebuilding the Jedi it's a good way to both honor her mentors and gain some respect.
Augustus Caesar was not born Augustus Caesar
Augustus Caesar was not born Augustus Caesar
Before release I could have bet 10$ Skywalker would be the name for the new less radical Jedi order she would found.
Martha because it was so unnatural. Who the hell refers to their mother by their first name? lmao
I'm Rey Skywalker comes out of nowhere. Let her be her own damn person, damn. She doesn't even say Rey Solo or Rey Organa. She knew Luke for a week and jacks his last name lol. Let the Skywalkers breathe, they aren't the end all be all of this universe, damn
An alien who has no concept of human emotion like Snyder's Superman.
Martha is dumb and only affects my enjoyment of BvS. Rey Skywalker affects my enjoyment of the entire sequel trilogy of Star Wars films. Why is it hyperbolic if I hate it more?
Rey Amadala is probably the best one if she's trying to honour Leia and say Fu to Old man Palps
Imagine Carrie Fishers ghost yelling "WHY NOT ORGANA? I'M THE ONE THAT FUCKING TRAINED YOU!!!"
The poetry would definitely be more intense!
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Augustus Caesar was actually adopted by and raised by Julius Caesar. Imagine if he had just known the dude for like a week...
Martha is stupid and only denigrates a universe with like 2 good movies max. Rey stealing people's last name to the detriment of her own character retroactively ruins her entire trilogy and maybe even the Saga.
They really offed Luke, Leia, Han and Han and Leia's kid all in one arc, huh? Let the past die indeed. What a disappointing mess all this turned out to be.
Use the right one at least.Martha is pretty bad, it makes sense for Rey to adopt the Skywalker name as Leia and Luke (and Han) were the closest things to parents she ever knew.
The Martha scene though is literally...
Fr, Leia really got sidelined for Luke lmao? JJ felt the need to reuse every Carrie Fischer scene (RIP) but won't even use the character she plays namesake in the end of the movie. Yikes lol
I guess Palpatine can at least be proud his granddaughter is a strong Skywalker now. Ben and Anakin might have betrayed him but Rey is connected by blood so they're bound for life >:)
I hated the Skywalker line but when you think about it , its literally the whole title of the movie.
martha is definitely worse though, its just so out if nowhere and somehow ends this supposed gigantic conflict.
WOAH you know someone named Martha as well , you can't possibly be evil anymore ..
martha is definitely worse though, its just so out if nowhere and somehow ends this supposed gigantic conflict.
WOAH you know someone named Martha as well , you can't possibly be evil anymore ..
The Rey Line was significantly worse because no one has ever asked me. "What is your last name" unless its someone filling out paperwork. In addition at the end of the day Batman vs Superman is just another Batman/Superman movie, among a ton of those while the Rey Skywalker line is basically the end of one of the most important storylines in cinema history.
Yeah I get asked my last name all the time by alll these people just trying to figure out who in my family they know lol
"Ah really, do you know X Kurdel? No? What about Y Kurdel? No? What about Z Kurdel? Your uncle? We went to target practice together in the 80's!"
Martha allows Batman to see humanity in Superman
Rey Skywalker means you can declare someone a Nazi and seize their family and property
Rey Skywalker means you can declare someone a Nazi and seize their family and property
I don't know which is dumber, but I'd say Martha is more damaging. Rey's thing is just kind of a capstone to the stupidity you had to endure for the last 2.5 hours. At the very least, it'd exactly the kind of insipid bad writing that you'd expect that movie to end with, given everything else.
Martha though, it's not just thematically bad, it's a literal plotpoint of the story. Martha is THE reason that Batman didn't kill Superman, because hearing his mother's name sprung out a surge of empathy that he finally recognized Clark as human. That this would be what turns him, makes him see the light, is so irreparably damaging to his character that it is what functionally broke the movie.
Martha though, it's not just thematically bad, it's a literal plotpoint of the story. Martha is THE reason that Batman didn't kill Superman, because hearing his mother's name sprung out a surge of empathy that he finally recognized Clark as human. That this would be what turns him, makes him see the light, is so irreparably damaging to his character that it is what functionally broke the movie.
I think in terms of impact Martha was just really unbelievable. By the time Rey Skywalker happens, you kind of expect it (it's in the title ffs).
It would have worked had she had a working relationship with Luke.
lmao Disney
Rey Skywalker AT LEAST gives you a visual clue of why that happens. She sees the ghosts of both Skywalkers and goes "well fuck, I ain't telling this ho that I'm a Palpatine." It ain't deep or anything, but at least it's there.The Martha thing is confusing until this day. What can you expect from the man who gave us ARGO FUCK YOURSELF.
Voted Rey out of bias. Cape heroes never really hit me so it's a ridiculous line in a sea of ridiculousness.
Star Wars shit actually meant a little more to me and I felt they could've worked out the concept of Rey Skywalker under better circumstances but instead it hit so god damn clumsily it was like a giant 'whatever, we tried' dumpster just tipped over right before the credits.
Star Wars shit actually meant a little more to me and I felt they could've worked out the concept of Rey Skywalker under better circumstances but instead it hit so god damn clumsily it was like a giant 'whatever, we tried' dumpster just tipped over right before the credits.
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The Martha line is an insult to the viewers intelligence. Because batman and superman's connection was not and should not and is not the fact that their mothers have the same first name.
Rey Skywalker is not even the worst line of dialogue in the movie. To me a closer argument would've been "They sold you to protect you".
Added 3rd option for Argo.
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I completely forgot that line. Goddamn, I really should've added it as the 3rd joke option.
Edit: Hey, looks like I can, haha.
The martha part is at least kinda so bad it's good in a way I guess?
Like it's so nonsensical and out there it makes you take a double take and question your own sanity.
The Rey part was just dumb.
It was also nonsensical in that it made no real sense as a piece of dialogue (I don't care how far away your galaxy is) but in the most mundane way.
Like it's so nonsensical and out there it makes you take a double take and question your own sanity.
The Rey part was just dumb.
It was also nonsensical in that it made no real sense as a piece of dialogue (I don't care how far away your galaxy is) but in the most mundane way.
