I remember watching this when it first aired and being extremely uncomfortable at this segment. As someone else in the thread earlier said though, everything else was good, except for the one homophobic joke that was also made.
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Chris Rock, Ricky Gervais and Louis CK casually using the N word. Seinfield abstains. (Clip from 2011)
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Lol Louis perspective changed to sexual assault chill with defending ppl
It's not controversial because in the context of the conversation, which is about an hour long, all they're really doing in unpacking and unraveling how comedy works or doesn't work.
Ricky Gervais is insufferable, that one guy who knows he is neither funny or charming so he has to try to be the loudest and most obnoxious
Didn't Jerry recently also say that comedy suffers as "political correctness" rises?
Or something akin to that?
I promise you, Ricky does not know that he's not funny. In that same conversation, he literally says that he thinks comedy is easy.
You have three comedians who love offensive humor and one that doesn't as much.
It's okay to be offended and it's also okay for them to use offensiveness in their comedy or not to use it. Each of these dudes is an example of an amazing comedian. There are also comedians who aren't good. And no matter what. As long as something like the n word, rape, etc is offensive and shocking to joke about. It'll be used. Bert Krischer has a bit with it in there. And contextually it makes sense and is relatively amusing.
At the end of the day. We need to be able to distinguish real insidious racism, like the ref who cut the hair, or the clippers dude vs comedians who latch on top shock or offensive humor.
Like rape scenes in movies I find pretty offensive. So I do not watch them. Like that fucking hills have eyes movie. Yeah.
It's okay to be offended and it's also okay for them to use offensiveness in their comedy or not to use it. Each of these dudes is an example of an amazing comedian. There are also comedians who aren't good. And no matter what. As long as something like the n word, rape, etc is offensive and shocking to joke about. It'll be used. Bert Krischer has a bit with it in there. And contextually it makes sense and is relatively amusing.
At the end of the day. We need to be able to distinguish real insidious racism, like the ref who cut the hair, or the clippers dude vs comedians who latch on top shock or offensive humor.
Like rape scenes in movies I find pretty offensive. So I do not watch them. Like that fucking hills have eyes movie. Yeah.
I know he did. Seeing this just brought it back and reminded me how he didn't really learn why that joke was extremely bad.
Well after hearing that it does make me view him differently
Where as Chris I could see his discomfort imo as did Jerry . Patrice however was even laughing along with CK , Chris wasn't.
jerry with the subtle ether to louis
"well you found the humor in it. I never found it, nor do I seek it."
"well you found the humor in it. I never found it, nor do I seek it."
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I'd argue that the Chris Rock joke itself isn't bad, it's more that society isn't equipped to take it in properly. Maybe that's not a meaningful distinction though.
I don't have cable so I don't know if you're kidding or not, but are you saying stations dumped Seinfeld from syndication then? Michael Richards dropping the n-word was not recent and I'm pretty sure I've seen plenty of Seinfeld reruns on the few times I have been watching live tv since.
The worst part is that none of what they're talking about here is remotely funny or interesting. Like damn man, those jokes are dry.
This kind of already came to pass with his twitter feed. I stopped being into him as much when it turned out all he tweeted was "Gods not real, lol checkmate christians" what felt like every five minutes
Sadly not kidding. It's still widely syndicated and will continue to be much more successful than even other massive hits since the format is so digestible -- but when this happened it was yanked and hiatus-ed by tons and tons of places at the peak of its rerun value - I don't know the numbers offhand but the combination of that effect and the momentum the show still had would have been devastating to folks relying on the residuals and other fees at the time - and that can be an irrecoverable "moment" that stretched for months or longer. Maybe years.
I'm not sure if if the syndication licensor or the individual networks or both did the pull, and it's hard to tell when /if it got back to normal. I have a friend who does licensing law in LA and this has rekindled my curiosity so I am gonna ask her for scoop or just insight.
Seinfeld isn't like a Night Court or even a Magnum - it was syndicated everywhere like mad, more like the Simpsons where you could absolutely guarantee multiple episodes a night no matter where you were. Not typical by any stretch of the imagination but those reruns have made a lot of people a lot of money.
Hardly the shows fault that one actor took a giant racist brainfart live on stage but the effect was dramatic and in the regard that it can't be undone, significant. One of the main cast (it might have been Larry David actually, maybe not a cast member) was talking about it in an interview a while (years?) later and it sounded really bad. Of course they might have been talking about producers or investors but it struck me at the time they were talking about less famous actors and characters.
And it's indellibly marked on a lot of folks' memories of the show. Still I guess you could argue the scandal replaced the final episode as the low point...
We talking about the same Jerry that dated a 17 year old kid as a 40 year old?
Stay winning my ass.
Yup, saw this explode on Black Twitter. I still can't believe Chris Rock just sitting there while Gervais & CKunt say that shit so casually!
Pricks.
Pricks.
I guess it would be meaningful in how you decide to frame the conversation. If we're just talking about the so-called sacredness of comedy you can admit that the joke is funny and nothing else matters; I still find it so. If we're arguing about whether or not jokes can and should have ramifications that create lines in the sand, then it's a go-to example.
Seriously don't get why Paul walker was excoriated but Seinfeld is still universally beloved.
I'm not talking about CK. Obviously. I shouldn't even have to reply to a post this fucking stupid.
They never said that. There's enough to unpack here without making shit up. In fact they talked about a few bits by female comedians they liked, such as Elaine Boozler.
Comedians have always felt they could get away with stuff other people can't. Part of it is being edgy, part if it is that a lot of people find really offensive humor funny. Not because it's offensive, but because of the shock of hearing it, often in a ridiculous context.
Lol be more clear and isnt Ricky a well known asshole clearly he hasn't changed so who you referring to
ricky has always been garbage. the other three are still hilarious.
Got it mixed up with another interview. Most here said that statement there, but my bad for putting that topic in here/
We outta controversies for the year. We gotta go back a few years and find some before the year is up. There's a quota
omg i watch this and then i hear ppl saying 'omg SJWs are killing comedy' and i have to laugh
It took Black twitter this long to find out this video? This has been around forever.
Patrice hanging around Cumia so much was always kind of more problematic than this even though I always found him grilling him on his blatant racism hilarious.
Patrice hanging around Cumia so much was always kind of more problematic than this even though I always found him grilling him on his blatant racism hilarious.
I get why people are upset, but it's weird that Chris Rock and not the other two are trending for this.
First rule I learned as a white guy many years ago hanging around my black friends...don't ever think you're too familiar to just start casually dropping that word.
You might be in a group of 4 black guys who don't seem bothered by it, but wait til the 5th guy walks up and all hell breaks loose
You might be in a group of 4 black guys who don't seem bothered by it, but wait til the 5th guy walks up and all hell breaks loose
