it's not exploiting the predators, it's exploiting pedophilia in general, and it's pretty fucked. it's turning it into entertainment for profit.
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Chris Hansen is still doing child predator stings, holy shit. Merry Christmas?
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it's not exploiting the predators, it's exploiting pedophilia in general, and it's pretty fucked. it's turning it into entertainment for profit.
Exposing someone publicly as a predator sounds like standard reporting to me. And like any reporter, he does for personal gain, yeah sure.
But boy do some people have soft spots for Pedos or what? If Chris was investigating spousal murders nobody would give a shit if they "got a murderer killed". I don't particularly enjoy using whataboutism to make an analogy here but I'll always find it interesting how quick people are to defend the honor of child rapists. Popping out the woodwork and shit. "Nawt ackshwually pedophila you see"
But boy do some people have soft spots for Pedos or what? If Chris was investigating spousal murders nobody would give a shit if they "got a murderer killed". I don't particularly enjoy using whataboutism to make an analogy here but I'll always find it interesting how quick people are to defend the honor of child rapists. Popping out the woodwork and shit. "Nawt ackshwually pedophila you see"
Which did happen, IIRC. There were legitimate criticisms of the show.
Except no one is defending pedophiles in this thread Jesus Fucking Christ.
And yes, the suicide did result in a lot of the cases in Murphy thrown out because the show jumped the shark and did everything for the sole purpose of entertainment.
This Slate review details the specific problems with the show. People who don't like the show aren't feeling sorry for pedophiles, they're decrying the voyeuristic vigilante justice that is the whole basis of the show. The show has nothing to do with protecting the community or teaching parents how to teach their children how to avoid these situations or why/how pedophiles behave like they do. The fact the show has gotten cases thrown out because they've played shit up for drama speaks volumes about the show's intentions. For all intents and purposes, pedophiles caught in the sting operations would still get charged without Chris Hansen getting a huge erection every time he steps into the kitchen.
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In the 3rd video in the OP, did anyone else notice the actors Rooster Teeth hoodie? Lol that's unfortunate
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I think the issue some folks are having is that you are turning the prosecution of a very serious and heinous crime into a circus act.
You may as well have Ashton Kutcher bust in and go, "YOU GOT BUST'D BRO!" and then he pours Gatorade over the pedo.
Naturally they make things "spicy" for tv otherwise folks won't watch it
You may as well have Ashton Kutcher bust in and go, "YOU GOT BUST'D BRO!" and then he pours Gatorade over the pedo.
Naturally they make things "spicy" for tv otherwise folks won't watch it
Were the episodes actually aired after convictions? Because I don't understand how they would be able to go about showing these people uncensored otherwise
It should be possible to criticize the show without seeming like you're defending pedophilia. No one is saying that people committing these crimes shouldn't be arrested, but the show is kind of trashy and like another poster said, a bit of a circus act. The way Perverted Justice operates in relation to To Catch a Predator actually raises some complicated ethical questions about vigilante justice and just... the whole thing leaves a gross taste in my mouth. You can feel that peophillia is abhorrent and also that the people behind these shows are doing it more for their own self-satisfaction than actually making the world a better place.
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I've never seen this guy besides the meme and holy shit I've been going down a rabbit hole for the last hour.
If they were actually only worried about the predators, they'd just do the stings the same way, turning the preds to the police without actually airing them. Turning this into money-making scheme is the suspect part. Not every aspect of human existence needs to be turned into disgusting reality tv.
Just giving a thumbs up to you and others explaining why some criticize the show. Its difficult to do so without accusations of defending pedophiles on this site especially if you have certain avatars, so I tend to stay from it.
Unfortunately, people by nature have perverted sense of justice, where intentions and the way things occur are often justified.
Any shows that make entertainment out of real justice/law system are garbage and show how broken American society is where every aspect of anything must be commodified into popcorn material. Shit like this, Cops or any of its copycats
Like, by all means, create as many sting operations as you can and catch every single pedo possible. Just don't turn it into a entertainment focused show where you actually end up helping pedos get away because shitty shows like these actually damage real cases
Pedophilia and child abuse are definitely proper subjects to make entertainment out of and profit from. Nothing weird about that at all.
I'm not a fan of any of these reality misery-as-entertainment shows, especially if it involves law enforcement. It does nothing good for an eventual case against the perpetrators and only serves as justice porn.
I'm not a fan of any of these reality misery-as-entertainment shows, especially if it involves law enforcement. It does nothing good for an eventual case against the perpetrators and only serves as justice porn.
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Pedophile stans on ERA, I've seen it all
...well, it sure beats getting your jollies off of...well, you know.
Its 6:38 AM on Christmas morning, and I've been watching Chris Hansen bust pedos for an hour. What a start to my morning.
Yes. The show is gloriously busting people for pedophelia as entertainment for profit. So what!?!? It's still God's work nailing these fuckers. Not everything done for profit is by default wrong.
This isn't Cops where a busted headlight stop pulls a 3 year old drug warrant putting another black dude in jail for a few years on camera.
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I mean those are legitimate criticisms... but the original argument was more about how trashy it was for 'getting off on jailing pedos'/'exploiting' pedos and how the formula was garbage more than the issues this kind of show might cause for criminal cases. The post in question:
So you might see where this post might cause some heads to turn, no? Also regarding the supposed 'curbstomps' I have no idea where that's from. I've watched approximately two of these and I didn't see that anywhere for a supposed formula.
It's exploitative trash for sure, but it's not like it's possible to sympathise with these people.
I thought the exact same thing. Pic in the OP looks he was just told the Klingons killed his son.
I thought the exact same thing. Pic in the OP looks he was just told the Klingons killed his son.
I never fully understand the law that they were breaking. I get it's intention but if everything was stagged, how does it hold up in court? Like with a drug sting theres usually a big pile of drugs to arrest them on.
If you think the bolded quotes means I'm at all sympathetic towards pedophilia, then feel free to explain why. Maybe I didn't explain myself properly but I think its clear that I have significant problems with the structure and motive of the show, not the pedophiles getting busted. The end question is "do you think pedophilia is OK to exploit for reality TV". Which, from this thread, you have plenty of people thinking this type of reality TV is more than fine so long the individuals deserve it.
Which is a problem in my opinion. When I say curbstomping, its a figure of speech. Most of these individuals don't really put up any resistance yet still get pushed into the dirt/pavement by half a dozen police officers rushing at them from out of the bushes for no reason beyond letting the camera record some vigilante justice in action. And as we see in this thread, we see plenty of people who have no problems with police officers being extra rough so long they think the individual deserves it. If that's batting for pedophilia, then so be it.
To everyone who says they have no problem with this: if Fox News put out a series called "To Catch a Thief" by planting unlocked vans containing sneaker shipments in black majority neighborhoods, what would your opinion be? It would have the exact same motive as this "To Catch a Predator" series runs off and no doubt the Fox News crowd would have no problem seeing black people get roughed up when they instinctively flee because police officers rush out from nowhere after Sean Hannity tells them they're free to leave.
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Well if the chat messages aren't descriptive enough some of them carry condoms or drugs on them. They get charged for the intention not the act, it's to stop them doing it. Why's that hard to understand?
But that's the thing I am always hazy on. There are no thirteen year old girls, so who exactly are the victims? And thus, what actually is the crime?
There are chat logs before that show the pedophiles are usually explicit in what they are going to do. Showing up to a fake house is apparently enough evidence to convict them on attempt to molest or whatever the legal charge is.
IIRC there was a guy who didn't even get out of his car, he just drove by the house (he lived hours away) and that was enough to arrest him later.
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The crime is the intent to commit a crime. That's why they're always told to bring condoms and lube with them, so they can prove that the individual was intent on having sex with a minor.
These stings are such an interesting case study on how people react on the spot when they get exposed.
This is a UK example but from what I've seen with my neighbour this year they arrest them and take all their devices for downloading and charge them with what they find on there (chat logs, indecent pics, other attempts to meet etc.)
See, I'm way too cynical and I sometimes wonder if this is all projection and secretly Chris is a giant perv himself. But I've been waiting for that shoe to drop a long time so it's obviously not true.
The real problem is these vigilantes aren't smart enough to pull off a real case against a perp.
Like when "creep catchers " in Surrey "caught " a developmentally disabled guy trying to make friends on the net and he lost probably the only job he ever had.
Just leave it to the professionals not some hacks trying to get famous .
Like when "creep catchers " in Surrey "caught " a developmentally disabled guy trying to make friends on the net and he lost probably the only job he ever had.
Just leave it to the professionals not some hacks trying to get famous .
My stance as well. There is just a better way to go about this stuff.
How can people not see if they weren't caught in the sting, some 40 year old has found some lonely, underage, broken home teenager to manipulate...this shit is happening all the time sting or no sting...
Edit:just finish the first video, he admits to sleeping with a 15 year old boy, PoS scumbag...
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I mean, I agree with some of your points, but I don't like your analogy because it's flawed. Besides, there's a show that specifically exploit the arrests of the poor and POC for years, it's called Cops.
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Aren't Creep Catchers straight up illegal? At least Hansen is working with cops, Creep Catchers do it all on their own
how is this even an argument? The police should seek to peacefully arrest anyone accused of a crime regardless of the crime.
I never watched the show, but I'd hazard none of them brought weapons with them?
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They weren't ever charged or even arrested . They caught a cop too whichis nuts and that dude is charged. But they quit thankfully
I didn't have any sympathy. Like that one dude who came with a gun, rope and all kinds of shit. Dude was straight up planning to rape/murder the decoy.
I enjoyed the show but it was mostly for entertainment purposes. I would not call these "Investigations". At least not in the journalistic sense. Its just entertainment in watching people get caught and watching them get arrested. My only issue with the Dateline show was that the cops were always pointing their guns at the guys they were catching. That always made me feel uneasy.
