Yeah I think when it comes to such sensitive subject matters it's best to stick with credible accounts and sources. The China Tribunal research and findings appear more authentic.
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I bet it's because the doctors don't want to consider themselves "murderers," even if their actions indirectly lead to the victims deaths. It's probably how they sleep at night.
Yea, you're right....I'll assume this is real because China themselves admitted to a more sanitized version of this story in 2015.
Because I'm so disgusted by this article I'm just going to take this opportunity to throw all reason to the wind and agree with you. Fuck China. Freeze them out. They need the West more than we do them.
And I just knew there would be at least one idiot ERA member would try to draw an equivalency to the US itt too. Ugh... so goddamn predictable.
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Children have died, there were medical experiments performed, and there's rampant sexual assault and abuse. You're making excuses by saying it's a numbers game when scale shouldn't matter. If someone talked about China being worse in a thread about our own concentration camps to say that the latter isn't as bad as the former, they deserve to be dragged, which is the argument you're making oddly enough. Personally, I'd just acknowledge that they're both terrible and move on. It should not matter which is worse when they're both really fucking bad and you can talk about them in the same continuum.
You make it sound like we haven't paid governments not to kill specific groups of people before. We have and it works. Would it work at this scale? No one can say for sure, but we know sanctions don't.
What specific ideology? Having the money and power to counter the Pax Americana? Why doesn't China do the same with another ethnic or religious minority? The west doesn't give a shit about Muslims just like they don't really give a shit about Jews. Or at the very least, large multinational corporations feel that their profits are worth the lives of millions of people.(Somnid and if you can't see how the above inherently connects our concentration camps to China's by being two huge threads, you're going to need to explain why they aren't going after Christians)
If you were so aware of how refugees were treated, how is "Israel though" any kind of counter to me saying that no one gave a shit about them after WW2 as if the establishment of Israel changes how they were treated terribly in the years immediately after the war?
Can you stop derailing this thread with your BS whataboutism?
Literally no one mentioned the US before you did. Do you actually care? How many threads have you made on this issue? How many protests have you organized?
Are you just holding this over our head in a cheap attempt to distract, or are you actually about that life?
Edit: It's like Steel said. I would be fucking disgusted, if someone in the border-camp USA thread started ranting about, "WELL WHAT ABOUT CHINA THO!?!"
What did you guys think was going to happen? (Not aimed at ERA, but the western world in general)
It was only a matter of time.
Fuck China.
It was only a matter of time.
Fuck China.
This is often lost in discussions about WW2, too. Basically if Hitler had decided to keep his genocide within his borders and not struck out militarily against Russia et all, Germany could have taken its sweet time with killing every group it found undesirable. Essentially, what can the world do to stop it beyond military strikes which will be met with retaliation?
Because it's speculation and professional historians hate speculation. It adds nothing except entertainment.
This is like comic book level of evil. Also lots places are picking up on this because so many people are travelling to receive organ transplants that you just know something is up. Here in Australia we just received another warning about this.
Economic pressure is the only tool avaliable and thats out of the question because people dont want shit to be more expensive so at this point the world can only watch and report
What did they admit to in 2015?
China is a dystopia and a pretty hellish place, but this story is so over the top horrific I personally would want another source to verify it than an organization that is associated with Falun Gong.
There are interviews with people who have traveled to China to receive kidneys and livers in 2 weeks time. It's well known how fast it is procure there. It's impossible to get organs that fast in any other Western nation. China is definitely killing people for these organs.
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I would expect that with this being presented to the UN, additional review and investigation will follow. In as much as China will allow, I guess. But therein lies the problem.
You guys are just proving my point:
And yes, I am about that life, which is why I don't spend all day posting on Era or making threads because posting on a messageboard is no substitute for direct action. Nor does "being about that life" mean that you have to eat, sleep, and breathe that shit 24/7.
Not surprising considering a report we had a couple months earlier about the same issue here on ERA. Horrid shit but will continue to left slide as long as China keeps their atrocities/genocides within their own borders/sphere of influence. After all we've been putting up with North Korea for more than half a century due to threat of nuclear retaliation, if the world can't collectively bunker down on North Korea then what chance does it have with China?
The persecution of the Uighurs is not motivated by countering the US, because mass imprisonment and killing of Uighurs provides no direct material benefit in terms of countering American hegemony. The entire basis of your argument is flawed here. Hitler wanted to expand German power, sure....but he was ideologically motivated to exterminate the Jewish people. Using Jews as a scapegoat definitely help him grab and then maintain power, but having Jewish extermination camps was not a necessary action in order to project German power. The same applies to China. Yes, they are picking targets who are less likely to draw anger from western nations...but that's right now. It's entirely possible that Christians will be targeted in the future; in fact, the Chinese government's desire to snuff out any form of dissent or belief outside of itself kind of necessitates taking such steps against other groups.
The reason I mentioned Israel is because the Holocaust is used as a justification for the formation of a Jewish state in Israel. Now obviously western powers also had an interest in having a 'friendly' country in the middle east to project hegemony, but the formation of Israel was also influenced by the Holocaust. Yes, refugees were treated terribly after the war (as refugees often are) but that doesn't negate the purposes behind the formation of Israel.
In any case, framing genocide of millions of people as simply "an attempt to counter American hegemony" is intellectually dishonest and insulting. You can counter American hegemony without mass genocide.
No, you would rather spend your time stanning for China.
Seriously, go away.
Arab nations are so out of touch with reality that they could care less of muslims even within their own nations.
Yeah these numbers are nuts. I remember learning in med school about the whole transplant process and then the next week I read about how china had whole transplant dedicated hospitals. Its literally impossible to have that many organs at that rate, let alone hospitals dedicated to transplants. Thats just mind blowing; its straight up unheard of.There are interviews with people who have traveled to China to receive kidneys and livers in 2 weeks time. It's well known how fast it is procure there. It's impossible to get organs that fast in any other Western nation. China is definitely killing people for these organs.
Use the ignore list for known trolls, report bad faith arguments for moderators, etc.
yikes.There are interviews with people who have traveled to China to receive kidneys and livers in 2 weeks time. It's well known how fast it is procure there. It's impossible to get organs that fast in any other Western nation. China is definitely killing people for these organs.
Nope.
You literally haven't made any point in this thread. You have continued to derail it. And now are saying, "yea I care and protest, I'm just too cool to tell you any and all specifics." I'm done engaging with your bad faith argument. Really excited to see your posts about China in the next US thread.
Sorry, not 2015, 2014. Here's an article on China's military spending. It's crazy that they highlight the transition away from organ harvesting, as if they deserve to be patted on the back for not being monsters:
It remains hard for me to contemplate humans getting to this point.
Then again, I'm a descendant of the most brutal slave trade in human history, run by people who went to Church on Sunday then came home and ran medical experiments on, raped and killed enslaved humans. So idk. Things are just so hard to fathom for me.
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You can't think of any other explanation? Find some global data and let's see how China compares to other middle and low income countries. If they're really this huge outlier you might even convince me they'd up to no good. But it's easy to believe they really are that much faster at legitimate organ donation because they're so fast at everything else - construction pace is ridiculous.
Uh...you really think organ donation is in any way comparable to construction?
Huh... somehow they managed to be doing something even more horrific with them than what I'd imagined. That's terrifying on a bunch of levels...
...and whatever the hell this is supposed to be getting at sure ain't helping.
o_O
Procuring human organs for transplant isn't like improving efficiency in an assembly line or constructing a building. People can't live without their livers and hearts. China isn't just magically better at getting organs than other countries.
Wait times
China has by far the shortest wait times for organ transplants in the world,[89] and there is evidence that the execution of prisoners for their organs is "timed for the convenience of the waiting recipient."[90] As of 2014 Organ tourists to China report receiving kidney transplants within days of arriving in China.[91] A report produced by David Matas and David Kilgour cites the China International Transplantation Assistant Centre website as saying "it may take only one week to find out the suitable (kidney) donor, the maximum time being one month..."[6]
By way of comparison, the median waiting time for an organ transplantation in Australia is 6 months to 4 years,[92] in Canada, it is 6 years as of 2011.[93] In UK it is 3 years.[94]
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There were rumors of this and I am still praying it's not true. Shit like this is Holocaust level, and the world is going to have to either subside it or face it and knowing the world I fear it will be the former.
I literally just did the same thing. This is beyond fucked. What the fuck
Yea no this story had been bounced around for YEARS. Where there's smoke there's fire. You aren't fooling anyone you troll
One reason why the "world" turn a blind eye to this, might be because according to rumor, not all the patient that receive the organ are chinese, but they are also sold internationally or people coming in from first world country like US, EU and even the middle east, but only those has money are doing it.
But the Chinese government harvesting organ has been said multiple time already for a long time, some people might need video footage from such farm, and even if it exist, will probabely say it is all special effect in movie and not real.
But the Chinese government harvesting organ has been said multiple time already for a long time, some people might need video footage from such farm, and even if it exist, will probabely say it is all special effect in movie and not real.
Stop with this utter bullshit. It's a UN tribunal. They are not affiliated with Faulk Gong that is some blatant Chinese propaganda and anyone spouting it including you should be treated with the utmost skepticism. GTFO with that nonsense
It's stuff like this that almost makes me glad that climate change will be killing off humanity in time. We've had our run and we fucked it up. Time for a reboot in a few millenia.