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China approves CanSino's COVID-19 vaccine for military use
- Thread starter BronzeWolf
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- COVID
To be on topic... what does some efficacy refer to? Decrease of severity of symptoms? Actually preventing infection?
Also:
Why did they chose an adenovirus vector?
Also:
Article mentions it should be somewhat effective. Googling around why only somewhat and this seems a decent explanation:
Covid-19 vaccines curbed by existing antibodies, some may need booster
AstraZeneca’s AZD1222, as well as Rome-based ReiThera’s Covid-19 vaccines are also adenovirus vectored but use nonhuman vectors.www.clinicaltrialsarena.com
Why did they chose an adenovirus vector?
This doesn't seem to have the wiggle room of the previous post I commented on. Just a terrible thing to paint so many people with a broad brush.
This. I'm not going to try to get into the poster's mind, but I don't see any racism. It was probably linked to their disdain for the miltary, which some would see as an extension of the government. Either way, they'll have a month to thing about it now. /shrug
Do you see I said government and not citizens. Unless you are a government supporter then you wilfully ignored the context of my post.
Hmm, which is more probable: said person has negative feelings towards the military in general OR said person doesn't like the CCP, and therefore is okay with a potentially dangerous vaccine being tested on 'human guinea pigs' that are affiliated with said government.
Stop twisting yourself into knots to deny xenophobia.
I agreed with your post. Why single me out? Against the government for the people.
I'm also agreeing with you, albeit a bit more aggressive than I should be. I apologize if I came off that way.
You sign up to risk your life lending your skill to defend your country (and sometimes to get that sweet free car). No one signed up to get pumped full of experimental drugs. This ain't Captain America.
I hope for all our sales that their gambit is successful
No just that Canada will test all vaccines fully and no phases will be skipped. Canada will not approve a vaccine for the public that hasn't gone through all the appropriate stages of testing. That is just how Canada operates.
I see. Did I miss the part of the article where they mentioned that China skipped over the stages Canada wouldn't?
China has skipped final phase.
Though governments pull this shit so often that you should probably assume that they will when signing up. Ugh.
I am surprised this isn't getting more press here in the US. I guess Trump doesn't know anyone making money from this so he is being silent.
Is what China is doing, testing this on their military, not them doing Phase 3?
(Though from the article you linked, it doesn't make it clear if this is elective or not for military people....red flag for sure.)
I'm glad it's not tbh, cause Trump will just make it something racist.
China approves coronavirus vaccine for military use, skipping a major safety trial along the way
The latest Speed Read,/speed-reads,,speed-reads, breaking news, comment, reviews and features from the experts at The Week
theweek.com
Maybe there will be more we learn later.
Is China's testing phases similar to Canada and the US's? Because the writing on the articles posted here seem to indicate that their first two phases are similar... but the third/final phases generally don't contain safety information unless it's a long-term issue that crops up (ie. phase 4)
China approves coronavirus vaccine for military use, skipping a major safety trial along the way
The latest Speed Read,/speed-reads,,speed-reads, breaking news, comment, reviews and features from the experts at The Week
Maybe there will be more we learn later.
Sounds like there's different standards for what is considered humane. From what I'm reading, phase 3 is supposed to be a relatively smaller group of humans receiving the vaccine in order to study safety before administering the medication to a larger population.
An authoritarian dictatorship probably isn't going to be as concerned with human rights when it comes to this. Governments notoriously treat military and enlisted folks horribly, so this isn't a particular surprise to read.
Hopefully the vaccine works and doesn't cause more issues. I also wonder if there's enough women in the Chinese military for results to be reflective of how a vaccine may differ in efficacy due to sex.
User banned (1 month): Callous dismissal of xenophobia; history of similar
I have no idea and I don't care. There's not enough there for me to assume either way. I don't check post history, but if there's a pattern, then sure. If some anti-vaxxer said let Democrats be guinea pigs for the vaccine would that be xenophobia? Nope. Just another dumbass statement, which the internet has in abundance.
That's okay. I know what you meant. Some people here just want to twist my words to something that I didnt state. They dont read my post carefully
From the OP it seems the vaccine is safe; what is probably to be determined is whether or not it prevents COVID or not. Unfortunately that's going to be pretty hard to determine anyway without ethically questionable experiments (i.e. intentionally exposing people to COVID).
I was watching a few talks about how vaccine development actually needs the disease to still be around in order to gauge its effectiveness. One of the weird parts of the SARS vaccine, aside from the lack of funding and interest later on, was that it disappeared before they could test the vaccine's effectiveness on the wider population.
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Please work, pleaseeeee work. I wanna go back to normal (aka not fearing for my safety every time I leave my house)
How saying a specific race be our guinea pig is not racist? China is not as diverse as western countries people are asian there. I highly doubt the poster would say that shit if there was white people involve in it and I also doubt you would downplay it if white people were involve. Please stop the nonsense
That's crazy, but I assume the US is also going to fast-track some of these in the next few months.
Must be nice :?
They must be confident if they're using it on their military (although I wouldn't be surprised if they've done plenty of testing on Uyghurs...)
Let's hope something good comes out of this.
Let's hope something good comes out of this.
Yeah.
But even if they went through fase 3, there's gonna be persons being infected.
I suppose this is just to see if the rate of infection will lower. So either it doesn't work and the military gets infected at the same rate or it lowers.
I think it's not a bad idea, considering there's no bad effects.
I think the problem with this one is that people over 50 don't generate as many antibodies so the vaccine may be less effective for them. And then there's the issue of how many people in other countries are even willing to take a brand new vaccine, which reduces the effectiveness even further.
Not quite the same.
The flu vaccine is highly efficient against the strains contained within the vaccine. It's just that there's dozens of flu strains and you can't get all of them in circulation created in time for that flu season.
If this vaccine is only 50% effective it'll be nigh on disastrous.
Because there's literally no way to know any sort of long term efficacy of this vaccine for obvious reasons, this is a large scale test.
Safety *shouldn't* be an issue however.
To be fair, there's a few other vaccines also in that testing stage, whereas usage on a mass scale like the Chinese military is of course not being done as part of any other vaccine in current testing like the Oxford and Imperial ones which are also in second stage human trial.
With a vaccine, how many people are actually protected against getting infected.
True, but some vaccines offer partial protection (like the flu vaccine against neighboring strains) so it's good to get some clarification on this point.
There are no significant mutations at this moment, nor tests how this works against the common cold. So the efficiency will only be considered for the normal covid.
well...if the vaccine does turn out to be effective, then we know it will be cheap, since its made in China.
;p
sorry...not sorry.
;p
sorry...not sorry.