No that's how it is in the game. It's not a training session, it's the final boss fight. Ocelot just goes for the kiss in the middle of a fight to the death. Which is why Snake elbows him in the gut afterwards.
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Characters that everyone knows are gay, but the creator never confirmed they are.
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Miller and Big Boss himself are also implied to not be straight, even if you take this as non-canon.
Never played this part and at first glance thought it meant the CQC button ass-slaps, that'd be fucking amazing
Yeah I legit aw'd out loud upon seeing that haha
Folks mentioned Sora and Riku, and while I do ship them, imo it's mostly Riku that fits the bill of the thread.
My own reading of the canon is that Sora harbors brotherly affection for Riku and romantic affection for Kairi. What is debatable however is Riku's own feelings towards Sora. You can say it's also platonic...but I genuinely believe a case can be made about it bordering on something more.
The wording of his affection for Sora, the hyper-fixation on Sora... everything about him and his situation reminds me of a particular archetype which I've seen in the likes of Kaworu from NGE, Ryo from Devilman and (this one is more debateable) Griffon from Berserk. None of these cases have an outright declaration of love but there is a very clear sense of homoerotism to their fixation towards the respective protagonists.
There's no doubt Max and Chloe are bi/pan. Replaying it currently and I definitely get the feeling Max has more than platonic feelings for Kate too.
Gonna need some sources for this.
Got it thanks. Watched the youtube clip of it, must say that it still looks and moves weird.
Also never played any MGS except for Revengence, your explanation makes it sound like Kingdom Hearts type of convoluted lore. Not your explanation's fault it probably is. So, Ocelot who works and is in love with Snake have a deathmatch boss fight with him while in somehow disguise of Liquid Snake?
Gonna make it my own personal goal to use this phrase as often as possible, thank you.
Shrek is in a relationship with Fiona, but he's definitely Pansexual.
Who Ocelot works for is... complicated. Actually, everything concerning Ocelot is more or less Kingdom Hearts level complicated, yes. He lost his arm to a cyborg ninja, got Liquid snake's arm as a replacement, got possessed by the ghost of Liquid through the arm, got the arm replaced, but continued to act as if possessed as Liquid, got too into the role and sort of forgot to be Ocelot, and then we have the MGS4 fight there, where he's getting the Liquid pummeled out of him by Snake.
Ocelot is a recurring character in a series where the plot doesn't just go off the road, it lives in a shed in the middle of nowhere and reads all the conspiracy theories. So of course he's complicated.
Would "oh he is straight btw" after several game entries also really annoy you? Because Chris hasn't ever been shown to be in a heterosexual relationship either.
Yes, it would, but less so than if he was announced gay. Look, I just want gay characters whose sexuality is embraced, not implemented when there's political and or financial gain. Of course, sometimes a character's sexuality forms and builds as their story progresses, but I'd rather have gay character's whose sexuality and their potential romantic storyline isn't introduced after 3+ games. Gay characters deserve better.
I agree with you on that. Still, I'd rather have "hints and subtext" than nothing at all. With Chris, it works because his sexuality was never a big part of his character in the first place, and it doesn't have to be. But I also hope that we get more overtly LGBT characters in the future.
MGS4 retcons it so that he was never actually possessed by the ghost of Liquid. Instead, he underwent extreme hypno-therapy in order to become Liquid's mental doppelganger as part of his plan to fool the Patriots. The player goes through several phases during the boss fight with him, each mirroring a different MGS game. At a first glance it feels like pure fan service, but each phase jogs his memory a little bit until "Liquid" finally drops from his name and he's back to being regular old Ocelot again (and this is when he kisses Solid Snake, who reminds him of Big Boss).
On the subject of Kaz and Big Boss though:
Official audio drama (referenced by Paz in Ground Zeroes). Rather steamy.
And an unofficial English dub for those who're interested:
Also...
Sure, but I still want more stories about gay relationships, successful ones, and important ones. And for that to happen, sexuality needs to be pretty important.
This is the cutest thing ever.
Look at them tickle each other! ♫
(Tales of Zestiria)
What the hell kind of post is this. Scummy lol? I thought you were joking with your earlier post but clearly someone not thinking Chris is gay is serious business.
I'm bi and am well aware of the "Chris is gay" theory and didn't get that from Claire's reaction to the letter at all.
I mean, he could be gay, and maybe her reaction is a hint, but it could just as easily not be.
I read that letter in Leon's game and I was confused cuz it didn't sound like Chris but thought maybe he was just joking around. Or maybe Capcom had rewritten him just like they changed his face in RE7. I was missing the context that the letter was fake and Claire's game was the one that made it clear. Also, I figured she meant it didn't sound like him cuz Chris isn't really some frathouse douchebag. Not to mention in retrospect the whole thing just doesn't sound right.
And I still don't know what's going on with the letter. Did Chris in fact write it as some kind of clue or did someone else write it to muddy the waters?
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Chris wrote it. He was trying to cover up the fact that he was investigating Umbrella in Europe by making it seem like he was just enjoying a typical vacation.
"I just got back from a date with a hot chick. Bet you can guess what we got up to under her extra-large umbrella."
The letter's purpose is to let Barry and Jill know he's doing OK, and that he doesn't need any backup.
"Barry, don't you even think of coming to join me. Wouldn't want to make all the cute girls cry, yeah? So you just leave the babes to me."
So yeah, a coded message, so that if the corrupt Chief Irons were to stumble upon it, he'd be none the wiser about what Chris is really up to. People are free to view Chris as gay, but this in particular is far from the confirmation or hint they believe it to be.
Good God I feel stupid for not even catching Umbrella in that letter until right now lol.
I also assumed the letter was written by Chief Irons or something to make it seem like Chris was safe when he actually wasn't.
Guess I just read the whole situation wrong. I think it could have come across a little clearer actually.
I don't even blame you for thinking that, but what made me believe it was Chris is the final line:
"Jill, if Claire tries to contact you, please let her know I'm OK."
Sure, it still could've been Irons, but his scene in the parking lot with Claire leads me to believe he doesn't know of, or care about her.
what's homophobic about responding to sexual assault with an elbow to the stomach ?
Not sure if you're serious or trolling. In case you are serious: You know that's fiction right? Also visibility matters in fiction, but that's homophobic to use predatory gay stereotypes and "gay panic !" again and again.
Specifically for that gif, wasn't sure what was happening there, since I'm not really familiar with MGS's lore. However a character, ocelot, who people say in love with Snake -and I know he was some sort of friend/colleague to Snake- is seen fighting/training with him. So in that context a kiss after an elbow attack between two friends is normal and teasing but an elbow attack after a kiss implies gay panic! (which is one of the worst and grossest trope since unfortunately it's an unacceptable real motive for murder in the shitty corners of the world). On the other hand here's another type of sexual assault scene in a game and how the character reacts;
http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/39100000/-Dante-and-Kat-dante-and-kat-39103733-500-200.gif
Notice any difference how game makers choose to handle or not handle the sexual assault by the main character?
Back to the gif since it is explained that weirdly backward moving gif is not edited, and ocelot is something else than just ocelot(!?), it makes it just homophobic gay panic cutscene.
How the hell did I forget X and Zero? It's pretty adorable just how much these two care about each other.
That's the final boss fight of MGS4, Snake and Ocelot are trying to beat eachother to death lmfaoo
Ocelot was a friend of Big Boss (Naked Snake), that is Solid Snake.
Granblue Fantasy has a bunch of that. Lancelot and Vane, Anne and Grea, Silva and Song, Yuel and Societte. It's pretty damn overt at times but of course they'll never confirm it because every character also has to be player sexual because of otaku pandering.
They are just REALLY good friends, we promise!
If Gacha counts...
Enkidu and Gil!
Well they're probably bi at least.
This is news to me.
This however was SUPER obvious. So much so that the anime went "screw it" and paired off the two heroines together (Rose and Alisha) as well.
Look at them tickle each other! ♫
(Tales of Zestiria)
With characters like Sylvando it can be assumed because his actions and speech display a pattern of clear interest in men over woman. Anything unlike that is reaching and kinda ignores the spectrum in sexuality and gender. If you're assuming a character is homosexual because they act a little like the other gender or they show affection to a same sex character , you've got it wrong.
Exactly.
Like previously someone said, when the characters are openly gay;
Uppsettero guys: "Please dont shoehorn gayness", "I dont need to know their sexuality" or "Are you really sure they are not at least bi, or one time thing?".
When the characters obviously flirting or a couple;
Upsettero guys: "Give me a break they can be bros". "You're reading too much to it. Everybros can tickle, cuddle, wow to become one, don't be insensitive to bromance".
When Chris is perfect example to this thread, gay but unconfirmed;
Upsettero guys: "Chris is a serious guy who's married to his job". "He doesnt like sex. No private parts of him touched any other guy private parts!" "Geez!"
Anything to deny.
That gay romance in tales of zestiria mentioned in this thread has made me very interested to play it. That's some cute shit.
Also Yusuke better be romancable in Persona 5 Royal, they are already making it quite clear that Akechi might be a gay option.
Couldnt give a shit about Ryuji though, hes scum
Also Yusuke better be romancable in Persona 5 Royal, they are already making it quite clear that Akechi might be a gay option.
Couldnt give a shit about Ryuji though, hes scum
Lol what?? Mikleo and Sorea for sure i get that but where did they pull Rose and Alisha from. I don't think i even remember those two even talking to one another in the game.
Ryuji is the only sane dude Joker knows. I wish him a nice fullfilling relationship with someone capable of expressing their feelings and supporting him, so Ryuji would be the only choice in a world where people don't prefer to have their fictional romances be angst central or "wouldn't it be funny if..?" crap.
Yusuke is a wonderful person, but woefully socially inept while Akechi is, you know...
I wish nothing but the best to my virtual children. Don't settle for joke ships just to have any kind of representation at all. That's just sad.
If you give the player the option to enter a same sex relationship, it should feel just as "right" and natural (or at least mutual) as the mixed-sex options. Not just the joke character or some throwaway extra character they tacked on for that purpose only.
That's also exactly why people are so cross with the gay same sex options in Fire Emblem Three Houses. I personally love Linhardt to death, but there should be an option for one of the main characters you spend all game in cutscenes with as well, there's no reason not to (especially with Dimitri, sorry Claude stans).
I just dont get the Phoenix x Edgeworth shipping besides "theyre pretty dudes and should bang" cause not only phoenix is shown to even have a 'girlfriend' (as much as you can call dahlia that) in his past and be flusttered/interest with pretty women edgeworth is basically the opposite and never shows interest in anyone. There's a line in GK2 when he meets that flower lady assistant to that cook with an afro, but i dont know if its like that in the original or the fan translation took some liberty
And its not like AA steers away from this sort of thing, that purple haired horn lady from DD clearly loved Athenas mom.
And its not like AA steers away from this sort of thing, that purple haired horn lady from DD clearly loved Athenas mom.
Look at them tickle each other! ♫
(Tales of Zestiria)
That's amazing and Mikleo is super cute. I actually kinda want to play it for them now, except for the fact that it's not considered very good and I already thought the middle part of Berseria wasn't great.
I still played over 150h of it, just going through the motions after the beginning which I liked until the ending, which I also liked.
After what I've been hearing about them in passing, I'm actually surprised to hear they aren't officially confirmed to be lovers. Guess I shouldn't be surprised knowing how companies are, but still.If Gacha counts...
Enkidu and Gil!
Well they're probably bi at least.
A couple of years ago I painted my nails for a while and was called gay a few times (in jest or otherwise) and it seems that this sort of incidental or small deviation from traditional concepts of masculinity solidifies someone as gay here on era as well. It's so shallow and silly.
It does seem like despite a lot of people stating that they are pro-LGBT, they are still uncomfortable with the idea that their favorite characters could be LGBT. And that especially is funny to me because we've been told forever that '' you shouldn't care whether a character is gay or straight, you should be able to like them and relate to them regardless! '' but when it's their favorite characters potentially not being as hetero as they thought, it's an issue.
If straight men especially want people to stop reading '' bromance and intense platonic friendship between dudes '' as romantic, they probably should start advocating and supporting gay characters in popular media more. Otherwise we're just going to '' read too much into '' subtle or less subtle hints of potential homosexuality between characters.
Well, yes, it is shallow and silly, but when LGBT representation is non-existent, we look at stereotypes as hints that someone might be gay or whatever. What discussion can we really have about potential gay characters in video games if it's not about some vague stereotypes or intense friendships between two characters of the same sex?
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Uh, what? Kung Jin is confirmed gay in the story.Kung Jin, there are several hints in MKX and MK11 but so far, NRS hasn't confirmed anything
"They care only what is in your heart, not who your heart longs for."
no that's lightning and serah, who also give off an immense ammount of gay energy despite this
Plus that shallowness and silliness coming from real life oppression from people (uppsetteros) who makes gender defying people's life a literal hell, LGBT or not. Also we wouldn't be looking for hints, clues or signal to find our own if we could be open without worrying about safety.
P.S:Upsetteros as a term is such a gem. Thanks for the poster who released this gift to the world.