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Change UK splits as six of 11 MPs become independents
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who could imagine the centrist dads party that all the commentators wrote we were desperate for has flopped....
I'd expect the six that left will be getting in touch with Vince Cable or his successor before the summer.
To be fair, the Lib Dems are seeing a resurgence right now...
yeah and anyone who has such a short memory of the libdems and what they did in government as to feel it's ok to have voted for them needs to be punted into the sun
The candidate for marketing managers.
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Almost choked on my coffee reading this tweet:
They didn't fail because they were centrists. They failed because they were the dregs of both major parties who jumped ship out of opportunism rather than any principled stand.
"Centrism" and "absence of principled stand" are the same thing though
I hold no real love for any of the former and current CHUK mps, but leaving because of the failure to deal with instituional anti semitism within labour and because of the tories handling of brexit are principled stands, even if you don't like their overall politics. unfortunately for them they had nothing really substantive to say in their short time of prominence and the resurgence of the lib dems after the local elections sent them into a death spiral
ERA has ruined another word for itself. Centrism is a real thing in a proportionally elected parliamentary system with multiple viable parties and not just an insult to fling at people who don't agree with you enough.
Imagine voting for a "centrist" party in say Greece where the spectrum easily goes from actual communists to the fartherst of far right.
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I believe they were very brave to leave their parties and deserve a huge amount of respect. They messed up with CHUK, but it was always going to be incredibly hard, especially with the obvious gap between those who left Labour and the tories.
Era shitting on centrism is insane. Centrist in the UK is a very reasonable position and is frequently occupied by the major parties in certain policy areas. Labour shifted heavily to the left under Corbyn, and Tory has shifted slowly further right over the last decade leaving a very reasonable centre for a major party. The smaller parties are dotted generally to the left of centre, but there's plenty of room for centrism in the UK.
Thank you.
Era shitting on centrism is insane. Centrist in the UK is a very reasonable position and is frequently occupied by the major parties in certain policy areas. Labour shifted heavily to the left under Corbyn, and Tory has shifted slowly further right over the last decade leaving a very reasonable centre for a major party. The smaller parties are dotted generally to the left of centre, but there's plenty of room for centrism in the UK.
This ignores the realities of holding centrist positions as a liberal will only move the Overton window to the right, as right wing parties tend not to move back to the center.
No, there isn't some magical equilibrium scale in politics. If anything, further left positions invite excessive further right response.
Just heard Anna Soubry claiming the votes they got in the EU elections gave a signal of life to the party, I think she's mistake, it's more of a damning reflection on the current state of the Conservatives and Labour. Votings CUKs was akin to a vote for 'any functional adult'. They stand for nothing, and their idea of 'change' actually seems to mean 'changing back to early Blair era New Labour'.
Apart from you know... institutionalized racism on both sides of the aisle and the dangers of leaving the European Union and appeasing the far right? Yeah. Lack of principles apparently.
The hatred the diehard Labour and Tories have given Change UK is simply put gross tribalism. You stay supporting inept and/or vile leadership within the major parties.
The circumstances in which Berger left were very much not "opportunism" at work. Good god.
Shame on each of these craven political opportunists who tried to stoke people's genuine concerns about anti-semitism to kick start their ideology free vanity project. So glad it's backfired so spectacularly, it's a shame it couldn't have happened before their hubris lead to an increased number of MEPs for the Brexit Party.
I'm sure the remnants will go from strength to strength with the likes of Anna "Austerity has been great" Soubry, Joan "It's in your hands" Ryan and Mike "Mike Gapes" Gapes leading the way.
I'm sure the remnants will go from strength to strength with the likes of Anna "Austerity has been great" Soubry, Joan "It's in your hands" Ryan and Mike "Mike Gapes" Gapes leading the way.
They should slime into the Liberal Democrats, a party of unprincipled charlatans.
Fuck them. They're partly to blame for Farage romping to victory last month.
Fuck them. They're partly to blame for Farage romping to victory last month.
I think calling Change UK "opportunistic" is a bit silly — there's seldom much opportunity in starting this sort of splinter party.
Now, should they probably have just joined the Lib Dems from the start? Probably.
Now, should they probably have just joined the Lib Dems from the start? Probably.
They really are not.
Change UK showed atleast 1/6th of its MPS were racist on day one lol.
They're opportunists in the sense that the party had been in the works long before the anti-semitism row started, but when that started gaining traction in the press after so many other attacks against Corbyn had fallen flat, they shamefully stoked the fires and acted like that was their raison d'etre. If it was the "Corbyn was a Czech spy in the 80s" story that took off we'd be hearing the same apologists praising their principled stance against international espionage.
BXP would have had the most MEPs anyway, but Change UK running definitely split the vote leading to more BXP MEPs than there otherwise would have been.
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Umanna is standing for the Lib Dem's.
He can get absolutely fucked. I hope Streatham kicks him out on his arse.
Streatham 2017
Labour 63%
Lib Dems 6%
now they have a Lib Dem MP because he sure as shit isn't going to call a by-election
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Labour 63%
Lib Dems 6%
now they have a Lib Dem MP because he sure as shit isn't going to call a by-election
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Amazing.
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Can I shock you? I actually like raising tuition fees and cutting NHS funding.
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It is funny when the receipts are brought to the surface. Chuka doesn't have a shred of consistency in his body.
That Mail article is an invention, for what it's worth. Chuka would have to join the party and as far as anyone knows he hasn't.
I'd assume that the six indies will be waiting to see who wins the LD leadership race. Both are OK with bringing defectees on board but Ed Davey is regarded as less friendly over all.
Chuka, Wollaston, Allen etc would be alright pickups: as part of a party with a cohesive internal structure and a background in actually running things, they'd probably get a lot more done than when they sat around in Change.
I'd like to get Steven Lloyd back in too, though. Hopefully he stands under the LD banner again in the next GE.
I'd assume that the six indies will be waiting to see who wins the LD leadership race. Both are OK with bringing defectees on board but Ed Davey is regarded as less friendly over all.
Chuka, Wollaston, Allen etc would be alright pickups: as part of a party with a cohesive internal structure and a background in actually running things, they'd probably get a lot more done than when they sat around in Change.
I'd like to get Steven Lloyd back in too, though. Hopefully he stands under the LD banner again in the next GE.
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Amazing.
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Can I shock you? I actually like raising tuition fees and cutting NHS funding.
... despite what I said earlier.