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Chances of Next Gen coming with SSD?
- Thread starter Booker.DeWitt
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With the sheer complexity of games on the rise not to mention visual fidelity, I think that an HDD will feel like a bottleneck more than ever in Next-Gen consoles...
Alas, I don't see them having SSDs in consoles... yet.
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I think you're underestimating how much HDs will also drop in price. A 1TB drive is little over $40 today. By the time 1TB SSDs reach $50, we'll be able to get 8 or 10TB HDs for that price.
They will have SSDs. They don't have to make financial sense now, they have to make financial sense in 2020 (with a good trend downwards post 2020 since cost reductions happen all the time afterwards anyhow; burn a little bit at first, cost reduce and save during the largest portion of the lifecycle etc)
The more real-time lighting used in games means the less pre-baked junk needs to be included for each time of day setting so hopefully we get some size savings there at least for some games.
The more real-time lighting used in games means the less pre-baked junk needs to be included for each time of day setting so hopefully we get some size savings there at least for some games.
What if they stop making hard drives in mass quantity. Remember Microsoft was paying a silly amount for the paltry hard drive in the original Xbox because nobody was making that size any more. Unlikely a swing to SSD will be enough to raise hard drive prices any time soon but it could happen.
What are size, power consumption differences between a hard drive and SSD. Maybe that factors into the cost too if you can make a smaller console, maybe have the SSD storage on the motherboard, I dunno. That may be a price advantage that narrows the gap along with a price reduction in SSD storage.
Hard drive on the right.
Hard drive on the right.
SSD is obviously zero... But I have pretty good hopes for an optane-lite like solution. Something like 32gb up to 64gb of soldered cache storage.
If not, I hope that at least support from both hardware and devs will be better in regards to drives with faster reads.
If not, I hope that at least support from both hardware and devs will be better in regards to drives with faster reads.
An SSD cache is much more realistic than optane.
For those of you that dont believe we'll get SSD-only storage, what are your thoughts on a hybrid?
When full disc installs are required and AAA games are creeping up on 100GB, I think 1TB is the bare minimum acceptable for storage space next gen PS/XB consoles. That would add another $100 to the price tag, at least. $200-300 if they go with the much more preferable 2TB.
Hybrid might happen.
Hybrid might happen.
I'll guess not a full SSD, but probably a hybrid such as the Firecuda (1TB / 8GB flash, 2 TB / 16GB of flash).
A hard drive is a mechanical drive with parts required where it cant go lower than certain price
1TB is more than enough for standard edition
They can create 2TB version if they wanted too and ask more for it
This is the console that will be active at 2020-2030
SSD by default will be cheaper
QLC Already dropped cost by around half at manufacture cost
+ retailer cost =/= Mass production cost for sony
You can buy 2TB SSD MICRON
Which is not QLC (and its not low budget SSD but actually quite good) for 240$ *Today* and they are making a profit out of it
1TB SSD QLC for 60-70$ at retailer at 2020 is pretty much given.
People overestimate SSDs prices herr
I'm fine with ye olde slow 5400rpm drives if we're still given the option to replace them internally or add on to them externally with faster ssds. The BoM of a console just doesn't have room for a price increase of an ssd over a spinning hd.
That said, I do hope future systems take full advantage of ssd speeds. I have an ssd in my ps4 pro and I sometimes still feel like i'm waiting forever for certain games to load. They're definitely imperfect vs how they work on pc, thus far.
That said, I do hope future systems take full advantage of ssd speeds. I have an ssd in my ps4 pro and I sometimes still feel like i'm waiting forever for certain games to load. They're definitely imperfect vs how they work on pc, thus far.
Where are you getting those prices? The best 2TB price I have seen for a reputable vendor was for a crucial 2TB and that was for $300 or so after eBay coupon.
A normal 500gb cost is about $100-150 depending on a sale. Next gen systems won't have anything less then 1TB which is $170-$200 from reputable vendors. Now I would imagine that's going to be quite a bit lower directly from vendors but even $80 to system cost will most likely be unacceptable. Remember that they will want to hit $399 most likely.
A normal 500gb cost is about $100-150 depending on a sale. Next gen systems won't have anything less then 1TB which is $170-$200 from reputable vendors. Now I would imagine that's going to be quite a bit lower directly from vendors but even $80 to system cost will most likely be unacceptable. Remember that they will want to hit $399 most likely.
Yeah, but you can still increase the capacity keeping the same price.
It doesnt matter
Do you see sony selling ps4 with 4TB HD? they exist
There is no reason to sell 8-10TB even if they existed
2 years on console life they can drop higher SSDs too properly at lower cost too if they wanted. This us where the tech is going
Western digital just closed down 2 big hard drive manufacturers because demand is going down
Samsung/micron/intel is creating more and more SSDs as we apeak duo higher demands for nand tech overall
I just think 2 years aren't going to be enough for the appropriate pricing. However by mid-gen refresh in say 2023, it should be doable.
Dude 70$ gets you decent 500GB SSD already
And this is retailer cost (aka making a profit)
Mass production ssds for a company for sony WITH upcoming QLC will properly cost them 30$ max
reputable vendor?
Amazon 500gb 70$~
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B...6d3eee007a647120INT&smid=A1UVTGP6WV0D1P&psc=1
Look up micron SSD 1100
2TB costs 240$ right now online from multiple reliable stores
Yeah
Wont happen
Imagine the reviews
XBOX two XXXXX Game
Loading 3sec
Ps5 version
Loadong 15sec
Reason: we wanna save 10$
Good business move
Not using SSD is death sentance
The argument that ssd not enough because games will be bigger is awful
Bigger games need faster speed
Every website will report and compare loading speeds if one tried to pull this off
Inland is not a reputable drive vendor. Micron certainly is though.
It all depends on price difference. And no, not using an SSD is absolutely not a death sentence.
If Xbone 2 came out for $499 with 1TB SSD and PS5 came out for $399 or $449 with 2TB HD, you think it would be a death sentence for PS5?
That's negatory.
Pny
Crucial
Kington
Adata
Cost around 80 and less sometimes you csn look up prices at amazon newegg etc
Rememebr this is retailer cost and NOT QLC
Qlc is confirmed and coming at 2018 and will cost much less but they have less endurance (amound of writing data for a lifetime on ssd) (doesnt matter for consoles) most consoles are read mainly not a workstation)
Otherwise no one would buy the less superior qlc ssd if they were not much cheaper
QLC is still questionable from longetivity perspective. Can they even last say 6-7 years under heavy use? Of course with consoles it's mostly reads but still.
It's game dependent of course but even with Doom the difference isn't something which I'd be willing to pay for. I mean, it takes what, 15-20 seconds on an HDD to load the level. Hardly anything to worry about. And in most games loading is limited to the speed of data processing more than actual storage throughput - shader compilation and assets creation / preparation take a lot more time than actual data loading.
Sheer complexity and visual fidelity don't directly translate into the amounts of data which needs to be loaded. It does however translate into the amount of processing a game must perform on the loaded data before it can be used - and no SSD will ever help you with this.
Intel already released some
Micron and samsung months away from mass production (samsung plan is to sell cheap 2tb and 4tb qlc drives too)
Qlc is enough to install thousands of AAA games before any effect hits them this is backed by the specs under warranties so if samung intel etc cant back this up they are in it for loss of billions of $ for refunds etc
Still waaaay to expensive / the price gap is still too big. Don't forget that Sony and MS surely do no thave to pay retail prices for their HDDs as well...
Let's say Sony could get a 1 TB SSD for just $10 more than a classic HDD. That $10 premium already includes savings resulting from the smaller form factor of a SSD. So, Sony wants to build how many PS5 in the upcoming years? Obviously something in the 80-120mn ballpark. Multiply that number with $10 and you know exactly why the chances of SSD happening anytime soon in a mainstream SKU is Zero.
As i said before
Xbox game SSD loading 3sec
PS5 Game HD loading 15sec. Pop in etc
Unleash the reviews
Sony : we wanted to save 10$ durning the first 2 years of the 10years life cycle of PS5
hard drives will never be cheaper after certain price duo the fact theu have so many parts and a complicated mech drive compared to SSD
And there wont be even much of a diffrence in price
The question should be
1TB SSD vs 2/4TB HD because if you look up HD prices now barely a diffrence between 320/500/1Tb for the low end ones with 5400RPM
Sony already allows this with a PS4. I have a 1TB SSD internal in my Pro and 4TB spinning disk external. You can move applications within PS4 OS.
Notably if you are patching a game on external, the patch will download internally first then has to unpack and copy down to external drive which is a bit of a slow process.
I can see maybe a 128 m.2 drive as a built in caching system to speed up os and most used apps
oh I'm aware of the PS4. I currently have a 500GB 850 EVO in my PS4 Pro. I was referring to next-gen!
Wii U was truly next-gen. The only 8th generation console with a ssd ritgh out of the gate. Now what, haters?
But abut the other competitor, microsoft could have one in their cloud based sku, if ever comes to happen.
But abut the other competitor, microsoft could have one in their cloud based sku, if ever comes to happen.
QLC has reduced the cost per GB of SSDs to $0.20 per gig, so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible, especially if there's improvements in QLC endurance/longevity.
I could see in a few years the Pro/Elite versions of next gen consoles having like a 2TB SSD, but even today many laptop computers still dont come with an SSD so I dont see the next gen of consoles including them by default. Possibly if next gen is like 3 years away still but I sure hope not.
I imagine we'll get 1TB regular 5400RPM mechanical drives as the default.
I imagine we'll get 1TB regular 5400RPM mechanical drives as the default.
No way.
The casual gamer still cares about space.
How is Sony gonna advertise that?
"Now with 100gb of storage!"
They'd be slaughtered by Xbox.
The casual gamer still cares about space.
How is Sony gonna advertise that?
"Now with 100gb of storage!"
They'd be slaughtered by Xbox.
Sure but that's still like 5x the price per GB compared to a HDD. I mean MS and Sony are probably spending $20-$30 on the HDDs currently being used in their consoles. I don't think they are going to be able to get an SSD with enough space that falls in that price range in the near future.
Read my posts here
Retailer amazon etc selling half TB SSD for 70$ with profits
Qlc will reduce price further (Confimred fact. Ignore msrp of brand new ssd + intel tax + profit margins)
Next gen consoles 2 years away so price will drop even more
They will keep these consoles for 10 years in the market not 1 year
1TB SSD will cost around the same or 10$ more MAX 1 year after console relesse
People who keep saying ZER0 chance have no idea what is the current prices and upcoming SSD tech that will reduce the price further + ignores the fact that HDs have a minimum price requirement duo the fact it has a lot of parts+ mech drive which SSDs doesnt suffer from
SSDs is 100% will be there for next gen
Much faster install (shit already takes forever on xbox and games expected to be bigger)
Faster data helps with pop in + bigger assets streaming
Faster OS
Much Lower loading times
Less energy used
Vs saving 10$
Its a no brainer
At PS4 Launch SSDs were not an option (ssd were expensive as hell even for 120GB drives) and clearly not enough space
I bet my dick on it that next gen will have Ssd
Exactly. Too many are focusing on what an SSD might cost in a few years time.
What matters is the relative cost to a regular HDD.
If a console manufacturer expects to sell a modest 50 million consoles, at $10 per console, they are giving away half a billion dollars. Average Joe isn't interested in shaving 5 seconds off his loading time for Black Ops 6.
Do. Not. Want.
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