And it will only get worse. Let's see how Disney will censor the movie poster of the next Star Wars movie in china.
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CEO of world’s largest e-sports firm ESL warns staff not to discuss Hong Kong protests
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I know right. Nice catch.
Fuck these cowards man. And I swear China has got to be the worlds biggest snowflake.
About to ask the same shit. But what it really is CEO choose profits over freedom, any day, any century.
Remember these assholes and boycott the shit out of their business for life.
Humanity would also not have any iPhones, Playstations or XBoxes. That is the reason why they are all cowards. No one speaks up if it impacts their standard of living directly.
Economic growth does not have an end where a CEO would say "this is good enough"
china is a gigantic market and if you can be dominant in such a market...(I think it is horrible..but that's sadly what is happening. With every company. Disney and all it's franchises too. Just think of doctor strange and tibet, or how they remove black characters from movie posters in China)
I came here to post this. They've got everyone by the balls indeed.
I've got a feeling it is more like a ripping them off motion...
People don't realize how much power China has over us companies and American media. Why do you think we have yet to see any major LGBT characters in marvel movies? China. Games will start to avoid discussing China all together. People don't seem to understand that there are literally billions of dollars at stack here. It's not pocket change. It's why these company shit their pants when they get on the news about political issues there. If they are banned, they lose incredible amount of money. Enough that executives will lose positions, wealth and power. It explains their disparate behavior. It's not excusable but news flash: people care about money more then principle.
Hello Ralf Reichert,
fuck you and your "values",
also, how can you look at yourself in the mirror?
Signed,
Me
fuck you and your "values",
also, how can you look at yourself in the mirror?
Signed,
Me
If people are asking why ESL is doing this
There does not seem to be much. Even this thread died super quick
It's like a frog put in water that's then slowly heated up.
you don't realize what's happening until it's too late.
That is how I feel about China. A lurking giant whose regressive human rights policies and political ideals are now bleeding into democracies and people's everyday lives, halfway around the world from the source.
This news sucks. Everyone's silence is just capitulating to China and is a statement on its own. Sad times and at the rate things seem to be moving I'll have to block/delete/cancel half of my life when I find out something insidious is lurking behind it all.
you don't realize what's happening until it's too late.
That is how I feel about China. A lurking giant whose regressive human rights policies and political ideals are now bleeding into democracies and people's everyday lives, halfway around the world from the source.
This news sucks. Everyone's silence is just capitulating to China and is a statement on its own. Sad times and at the rate things seem to be moving I'll have to block/delete/cancel half of my life when I find out something insidious is lurking behind it all.
No I think its ok if we pay more for iphones , playstations and xboxes for shit like this to stop.
I agree. The stuff with movies, games and media in general is just testing the waters it seems. Next it will be no stories in anything depicting china in a negative light, then no stories about oppressive totalitarian regimes and so on. Get the claws in deep enough and you can do whatever the fuck you want and DARE anyone to speak out...hell we are already at that point!
They're willing to sell our right to free speech in order to line their pockets. We are literally watching capitalism bowing to communism.
If the only way for your company to be considered successful is to grow infinitely, then China is your best bet at where that growth is gonna come from.
I must say i'm a little shocked about the amount of comments like this since the China case.
It's as if some of you discover capitalism.
Good lord, what next? Mei being removed from all Overwatch marketing materials in China?
Many CEO s have no balls anymore, you learn to eat shit and bow to ridiculous people to get so high in a company.
Yeah, that isn't really going to address things, because their interests are going to be aligned with the business's on thing like this. Environmental topics run into this issue where industry unions will push back internally with the Dems against environmentalists and you have to do a lot of mediation.
Is there a reason why the OP left out the kinda most important part of the statement?
This thread sounds like it's forbidden for ESL employees to talk about the HK situation - which is incorrect.
I was wondering if that was in there as I read it. Won't really know if that's true until someone tries it in a personal capacity and we see what happens.
The problem is money. China is a huge market and they know it. Eventually their middle class will be bigger than than the US, Canada and EU combined.
When you say the other 6 billion, you have to remember, 1b+ live in India alone and they are still a very poor country, almost 500 millon in latam with their ever reducing middle class, Africa a continent still facing bigger issues than games, tho it is growing in every aspect at a great speed, and the middle east that is still fighting wars from the previous centuries.
Honestly their markets are US, Can, South East Asia, Russia, EU, Australia and NZ vs China. Nobody wants to lose any market.
I mean it's not like capitalism isn't often heavily invested in oppressive regimes. Hell look at tech investing in Nazi Germany with IBM. This is part of a longstanding pattern and in this case is a product of Chinese state capitalism knowing how to exploit a increasingly global market. That being said there's a bit of a double standard where people are criticizing investment in India whose regime is absolutely killing more people.
so you also think the 6 month ban for a hearthstone player wo said something political during his work as a hearthstone player was the correct choice, because "it says so in the rules"?
b/c that's the same reasoning blizzard used.
OP
OP
There's multiple reasons.
- I quoted the first paragraph - as commonly done - so people go visit the site
- I don't agree at all with this being the "kinda most important part" of the statement
- Of course they would say this, and it does in no way detract from any open or between-the-lines threats said earlier.
- It's, like Sesuadra said, a "but the rules!" argument, which the statement itselfs nullifies by making itself _very_ political in the first place
- No one actually expects any company to explicitely and openly disallow personal statements on personal accounts. Not even Blizzard did this and kept their wording very close to the tournament and its rulings (which doesn't make it any less abhorrent).
I'm sorry, this to me looks like a dragged-in point of discussion nobody really has, so yeah, it's not in the OP. However, it's plainly in the link I gave within the OP. I hope this clears things up.
maybe because of this:
I mean disney also censors black actors on their star wars posters in china.
‘Star Wars’ China Poster Sparks Controversy After Shrinking John Boyega’s Character
“Star Wars: The Force Awakens” fans are menaced by the Chinese poster for the upcoming sci-fi epic. The poster has sparked controversy online over stylistic changes, one of which result…
variety.com
Free Speech does not mean you are free from the consequences of it. It just means you can't be prosecuted for it. You can be fired for it.
The solution is mass disobedience/walkout and for gamers to punish through various means the orgs that are acting like this.
I don't think it's inappropriate to keep events focused on the games or competition.
That's the key though. It's about focus, not about not upsetting China.
That's why what Blizzard did crossed the line. The punishments and withholding the winnings was absurd. A political statement at the end of a tournament wouldn't have been as big of a deal but they made it one. Again, that means it wasn't about focus but pandering.
No one should be suspended or punished for saying fuck Trump or fuck racism or equality for all. Yes, even the last one is a political statement if you're a racist. What about if someone says more women should be in stem. Suspended?
The idea that you can take politics out of anything is absurd.
Again. Focus is fine, saying no politics and trying to censor things isn't
That's the key though. It's about focus, not about not upsetting China.
That's why what Blizzard did crossed the line. The punishments and withholding the winnings was absurd. A political statement at the end of a tournament wouldn't have been as big of a deal but they made it one. Again, that means it wasn't about focus but pandering.
No one should be suspended or punished for saying fuck Trump or fuck racism or equality for all. Yes, even the last one is a political statement if you're a racist. What about if someone says more women should be in stem. Suspended?
The idea that you can take politics out of anything is absurd.
Again. Focus is fine, saying no politics and trying to censor things isn't
Different issue all together. There is a reason why people have to qualify their statement as "something something this is my personal view and not representative of xyz company". Without the later part of the statement, it seems like ESL is forbidding its employees from engaging political discussion all together which is not true. A large organization employed many people who can have different view points, and matter of fact is, such political statement can and will affect the company economic health, which can affect its employees as well. You can't expect everyone to be okay with their income to be affected just because you have certain belief which they might not share. To me that's just selfish.
Even now regarding Hong Kong protest, I admired the protesters for the effort to go against the Extradition Law but now the situation looks more like rioting to me and I can't agree with targeting police's family members as well as threatening police officers life (there was a slashing incident as well as remote bombs in the last few days apparently).