Yikes, you could try to read one EGS related thread. This is usually the first post someone who has no prior knowledge of the issue posts.
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Celebrating no Epic Store Version of games makes me little sad , and here is why (regional pricing, read OP)
- Thread starter Ryuichi Naruhodo
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People started getting antagonistic when Epic paid developers to get their games off Steam when they had already promised a Steam version in their marketing, and in many cases actually had the game on Steam before removing it. It's fine to get original games, but when games have been promised for and marketed towards Steam it rubs people the wrong way when that turns out to be false.
The Epic store is also barebones and lacks even basic functionality of every other launchers, many users don't want to use it because they think it's functionally trash. Especially if you're a comfy couch gamer., it's absolutely garbage for that.
I have knowledge about the issues. My opinion is still the same. The reactions to anything EGS related are some high level console warring BS
There are legitimate concerns with EGS store and how it functions, and there are legitimate concerns with how Epic are acting on the market.
Stop dismissing people as children just because you don't like the discussions.
Well Epic tried too hard to be douche bags in this stupid war. The sad part is that they managed to make people celebrate no epic store versions.
maybe children is putting it too maturely given all the shitflinging, discussion frames it too civilly
that's fair
And you hope to raise the level of the discussions with comments like that?
The karma posts are there because the way Epic operates. You don't see any celebratory posts over a game skipping Origin, uplay, Wegame or MS Store. And I can assure you, that for a lot of users Wegame is a lot cheaper than Steam.
Well yeah, you are an adult and your opinion can be what ever you want it to be. Usually people try to form their opinions by factual basis and not a knee-jerk reactions though.
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uh huh, well i suppose it may look like one if you only consider one viewpoint
Any idea in how many countries Steam doesnt have regional pricing compared to EGS? Why wouldnt Steam support it in those countries? And would something like pressing them on twitter raise awareness?
It has nothing to do with system wars, it has everything to do with keeping the status quo (ie atleast as PC open platform as it is now.)
You can see the exact same situation with MS. Peoples perception about MS' PC gaming efforts changed 180° in a matter of days.
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Knee-jerk reactions is what the 90% of the discussion surrounding the EGS store is based on
Where exactly did I tell others what to do?
I am explaining why Epic has horribly toxic tactics for the PC platform and why people are relieved to see them not apply their bullshit to a sequel to one of the most beloved PC games in history. I believe I am still free to speak up about it.
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Those are the countries that Steam have regional pricing
https://steamdb.info/app/271590/
Any Country/Territory not in this page doesnt have regional pricing and pays the normal $60 for the usual AAA games
I think that's reasonable. For the record, this is my personal opinion on the matter.
So I understand and sympathize with both sides. More options is a good thing for customers but I won't deny that seeing Epic with a bit of egg on their face is both funny and satisfying after all the bullshit they've pulled.
As you clearly show us... As I said earlier, your post on this thread is literally the same first post anyone makes in an EGS thread with no prior knowledge of the issue. Some do it to poison the well too though..
I get you OP, I have my worries about EGS buying exclusivity for games and their launcher snooping around your data, but they've adopted regional pricing very well
This couldn't be further from the truth. Discussion on the reasons for opposing Epic's anti-consumer behavior has been nuanced, thorough and backed by facts.
I think that the hatred toward Epic is well deserved, and we'll continue to see more of it; I'm both dreading E3 and expecting gaming forums to explode if Epic nabs anything huge like Red Dead 2.
But as someone who's been following all Epic news BS, it doesn't seem like they're having that warm of a reception and are fumbling trying to learn how to run a store. Aside from some users in different regions benefitting from the very specific regional pricing (Which I can understand), no one is really heartbroken to learn a game is passing on the EGS, and while they're destined to continue to fail until they learn that a large number of PC gamers love the features Valve brings to its storefront.
But as someone who's been following all Epic news BS, it doesn't seem like they're having that warm of a reception and are fumbling trying to learn how to run a store. Aside from some users in different regions benefitting from the very specific regional pricing (Which I can understand), no one is really heartbroken to learn a game is passing on the EGS, and while they're destined to continue to fail until they learn that a large number of PC gamers love the features Valve brings to its storefront.
I think he is 100% right, but not in the way he thinks he is. Most of the posts in EGS threads are misinformed knee-jerk reactions like "Steam monopoly, competition, Valve stranglehold" etc.
On top of that they are usually full of people not acknowledging raised points, not understanding what a launcher vs storefront is etc.
Yeah, these topics had a lot of those reactions until mods set a few ground rules.
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Yea , your quoted comment is pretty fine , Criticizing Epic and at the same time not dismissing people where Epic is the better platform
i feel ya OP , however the way things are happening right now is you can either sell your game on Steam, GoG, Discord etc...or exclusively on EGS with its subpar launcher. Not hard to see why people are happy games are skipping that kind of "exclusive" access.
All of this would go away if the exclusivity clauses went away.
All of this would go away if the exclusivity clauses went away.
I am still kinda baffled why regional pricing is missing from some countries. But I think the most important thing is to figure out what to do to change it.
Not directly, just in terms of supporting the the fact that a game is coming to less platforms.
Yes, EGS has horrible business tactics, but the biggest flag that everyone was waiving in the whole EGS debate was that customers get less options. You can be against EGS, you can encourage others to not use the store, but everyone should be provided with an option to buy games where they want - It's not for you to decide what is best for everybody. If a game comes to EGS, it's an additional option and it's good for someone, as OP explained well.
I hate EGS as much as everyone else and not planning to buy any games from it, but being happy that people won't be able to use EGS just sounds hypocritical.
Epic as a company can go and screw itself, they have willingly antagonised large parts of the pc player base and I think that it is not surprising that people are against them now. People cheer for them getting skipped because they came into the market with fucking exclusives and getting hit by their own tactic certainly is something one can find entertaining.
I really hope steam adds more countries, of course, it takes time but I personally do not sympathise with Epic, their GDPR compliance(rather its lack of it) are enough to make me annoyed at them add some of their other moves and it explains why I plainly dislike them.
I really hope steam adds more countries, of course, it takes time but I personally do not sympathise with Epic, their GDPR compliance(rather its lack of it) are enough to make me annoyed at them add some of their other moves and it explains why I plainly dislike them.
Thanks for sharing, OP. This did confirm a thought that EGS does in fact have more benefecial regional pricing that covers more countries than. (E.g I heard from folks that Turkey has lower prices EGS than Steam). Epic could have easily used that as an advantage over Steam because that is a genuinenly a more pro-consumer feature than Steam ( depending on the region).
But Epic had to resort to anti-consumer and anti-competitive bullshit with the timed exclusives (that they conveiniently exclude Steam), push out a barebones piece of shit store that wasn't even ready for public consumption and tie said exclusives to it. And dont get me started on all the lies, bullshit statements and back-pedals that were spewed by Sweeny & Galyonkin.
Epic made their own bed covered with piss so Im not gonna shed a single tear watching them fumble their dumb asses through the market.
But Epic had to resort to anti-consumer and anti-competitive bullshit with the timed exclusives (that they conveiniently exclude Steam), push out a barebones piece of shit store that wasn't even ready for public consumption and tie said exclusives to it. And dont get me started on all the lies, bullshit statements and back-pedals that were spewed by Sweeny & Galyonkin.
Epic made their own bed covered with piss so Im not gonna shed a single tear watching them fumble their dumb asses through the market.
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Everyone: Yes monopolies are bad.
Gamers: But please put all the games on Steam!
Gamers: But please put all the games on Steam!
No one: "Please put games exclusively on Steam."
Because Valve not just converts it to USD, but adds regional payment methods, looks for a good currency conversion etc.
That takes a bit more than just convert the currency to USD.
I disagree, the biggest arguments have always been the following :
- The exclusivity tactics are beyond toxic on PC, the realm of openness and competition
- The "platform" is so bare-bones that forcing people to use it is an insult
I mean come on, this conversation is disingenuous as hell. This "more options" angle is only trying to legitimize Epic as a platform and making them look as if they belong anywhere near the same level. Op is arguing that everything should be on there, contrary to Epic's own policy. The real point is that BG3 is going to be a massively hyped sequel and Epic won't be getting a slice of that pie.
We are celebrating that because grabbing hyped and beloved sequels has been Epic's MO. We are celebrating because Epic won't be touching that game or earning a single cent off of it. They have earned that response from PC gamers through their months of exclusive moneyhatting and bullshit PR.
I will celebrate BG3 coming to GoG, Discord, itch.io and other platforms.
Nobody wants games exclusively on Steam though, I can't remember anybody saying that? GOG is my main storefront because of it being DRM free for example.
In a perfect world games would be on every available storefront so whilst I am not going to celebrate this not being on EGS because truthfully I think it's wrong to deny consumers choice, I will say that it's sort of giving Epic a taste of their own medicine.
Maybe the positive that will come from this is that Epic and Tim will stop the exclusivity deals and then this game will come to EGS in the future for people who want it on there like the OP who I fully empathise with.
So what now maneauleau
That's not true, these are the separate currencies that Valve offers, devs can still set different prices in different countries. It's up to the dev to do it.
I can understand you feeling sad about it OP since you really enjoyed the regional pricing Epic offers in your region which steam doesn't but you gotta understand, the amount of hate, criticism Epic gathered from PC gamers is on an enormous amount. Why? Because Epic intentionally took out the choice for PC gamers to buy from Steam. Currently, Steam is the only platform that gives the PC consumer, a fulfillled experience on the digital storefront/launcher side for the most part which obviously doesn't mean that Steam doesn't have its shortcomings. Epic's Tim sweeny proved to be a hypocrite with his "PC games should be available everywhere and not in a closed of walled garden" arguments when he was doing the same with his storefront/launcher which was "forcing the consumer to buy from a half baked digital launcher/storefront that lacks even the most basic features other launchers have compared to it". With its exclusive antics, Epic has made itself the no. 1 enemy for PC gamers and they have only but to blame themselves for it and so should you. Most of us, including me welcome proper competition for Steam but buying out your competition while having your platform in a shit state isn't really competing for the PC market really, its just anti-consumer bullshit.
If you ask me personally, i do not mind games launching on EGS at the same time as on other platforms including but i can't help but feel that Epic got a taste of its own medicine with Baldur's Gate III and i feel kinda ironic about it. They've been harming the PC digital space bigtime with their exclusives nonsense.
If you ask me personally, i do not mind games launching on EGS at the same time as on other platforms including but i can't help but feel that Epic got a taste of its own medicine with Baldur's Gate III and i feel kinda ironic about it. They've been harming the PC digital space bigtime with their exclusives nonsense.
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I would be glad if u show me examples , because AFAIK , at least vast majority of carribean and the whole African continental (except south africa ) don't get even adjusted prices in USD at all
Epic made their bed with their shitty money hats/exclusivity in the PC space. No one would care if they hadn't pulled their bullshit moves in the PC space or if Tim Sweeney hadn't talked pure nonsensical garbage every time he opened his mouth regarding store fronts on the PC. A lot of people dislike Epic / Tim Sweeney with good reason.
I'm all for every game being available on all store fronts, but as long as Epic is acting as they currently do a lot of people will dislike them.
I'm all for every game being available on all store fronts, but as long as Epic is acting as they currently do a lot of people will dislike them.
*if you buy the game on steam, not any other store selling steam key
Not that more regional pricing on steam wouldn't be amazing, but on a subject about pricing, it would be ridiculous to ignore other store selling steam key at discount.
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I mostly buy steam games from third party stores myself when they are in great discounts , but correct me if I am wrong , I even didn't see CDkeys go for AAA games as low as $17 for control and $16 for metro exodus around launch for example
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/pricing/currencies
South East Asia, CIS have separate USD pricing and Australia always had higher prices in USD before we got our own currency. Maybe complain to Steam? Part of the reason would be accepting payments and providing steam cards in those regions. Steam eats those costs in it's nasty 30% take, they don't tend to enter areas without being prepared, Epic largly passes costs beyond a few payment methods onto the consumer after putting it in their shopping cart.
Right now this is almost the only way to try to make an impact.
If all the games are on Steam then the monopoly never stops at least not until there is more balance in terms of market share.
Look guys I am not pro Epic or anti Steam and vice-versa I just think monopolies are bad for innovation and customers. Steam popularized cloud-save. Epic popuplarized cross-play and cross save. We need the competition and when it's David vs Goliath then David is allowed to fight dirty until the fight is more balanced.
LMAO on that. Cross-play and cross save has been a thing long before Fortnite forced Sony to stop being asses. That Epic is able to tell Sony to act decently does not mean that they popularized cross-play and cross save.
(I would say that MS Gold popularized cloud-saves too btw)
Also, it is kinda stupid calling Steam a monopoly, for reasons that have been said 100 times.
There is also the problem that Epic competition is not focused on enticing most customers by adding features but rather force the customer to buy in their shop. Steam has also many more competitors and has evolved way faster than any of them (sadly mostly because the competitors decide they can be shit with their own niche like in Origin's case).
