Companies use symbolic acts like this to give themselves cover for harmful actions.
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CDPR supporting KPH (campaign against homophobia) by selling rainbow RED shirt
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So companies aren't allowed to start making good ever? Come on.
People are allowed to be skeptical given CDPR's past offenses, specially so when this announcement (?) was made on the twitter page of the QA Lead and nowhere else. You'd expect this kind of commitment to be publicized on CDPR's own twitter account.
The skepticism on here is also rooted in uniquely an American perspective on this, and not looking on how this looks in Poland.
Money going to a cause also isn't just "symbolic." People are arbitrarily moving goal posts.
Have you considered the possibility that CDPR never even reached the proverbial goal post yet in the first place? This isn't as much of a big gesture as you're making it out to be. They're not donating, they're redirecting proceeds. They're also not committing to properly promote this, it's not on their official twitter, it's on a QA Lead's twitter page, for all of his 3,5k followers (as opposed to CDPR's 772k). Which is certainly odd, given the amount of money going to KPH depends directly on the sales, so if you're not promoting it properly, not a lot of people will be making a purchase.
And it begs the question: why is it not on their official account?
I mean, it might mean nothing to you, but given the ani-LGBT tendencies supported by our government, and the overall toxic situation regarding the topic in Poland, it is pretty big that a big, popular, 100% Polish company openly supports LGBT community. In America (and other westerns countries) corporations supporting LGBT is mostly just going after pink money and it's something natural, what one would expect them to do. Here, it takes some balls to do something like that because the risk is huge (I'm sure there's already a lot of vitrol in Twitter's comments) and benefits are pretty small.
They are a multinational corporation. This is an advertising campaign for the company, and it's identical to the ones run by other multinationals all the time.
They aren't cutting checks, they're tweeting links to their store. The money going to this cause isn't even coming from CDPR, it's from the fans who buy the shirts. They're just "graciously" not taking their usual profit from each sale.
You can support a case and politcal opinion without actually having to put on your work
I support LGBTQ rights, but I don't necessarily have to put it all over on my work to say I surport it
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It hasn't even been a week since the post about hyper-sexualized ads in Cyberpunk. Then people had to be educated on how the dystopian genre works.
People on this forum are just too eager to shit on CDPR at the drop of hat to satisfy their own confirmation bias.
I get that people are 100% against the company now. And to that I say "okay whatever". But for this why can't they just say "this is nice but we need more".
People need to stop fighting hatred with vitriol. It's only bad for their own mental health.
If that's the case then my sincere apologies for letting it cloud my opinion of them. Glad they are supporting this, and I hope they continue to engage in similar efforts.
An odd choice. Forgive me for being cynical but this company does not have a good history with this stuff and I doit trust this to be anything other than a ploy of goodwill before the game comes out.
Its still good but yeah, and it's telling that they aren't posting it on their official twitter accounts because they know the kind of gamers they have been courting up until this point
Its still good but yeah, and it's telling that they aren't posting it on their official twitter accounts because they know the kind of gamers they have been courting up until this point
Exactly, it's doing the absolute bare minimum. If they were matching the donation total, or making a donation on their own I'd feel a little better about it.
For fucks sake they aren't even promoting this company charity thing on their company social media.
It wasn't just the twitter person, there has been other stuff since. Like making transphobic jokes on twitter multiple times, offensive in-game ads that they couldn't defend, a complete lack of trans or non-binary options and their incredibly stupid decision to have pronouns tied to whether you choose a male or female voice, which was again just a way to avoid some of the criticism they were getting.
They do not deserve people trying to handwave their problems away like this
Pretty much where I stand. And people are in this thread acting like they're absolved lol. They're still transphobic, they still show their ass after each shitty "apology".
People just WANT to forgive them so they can play their video game guilt free 🙄
I think EU statistics shows that homophobia is the worst in Rumania but Poland is probably not far behind.
Ugh, men make it so hard to have these discussions with this condescending BS.
"Hey women, look at this dystopia where unchecked capitalism exploits women's bodies. Isn't that new and crazy? DYSTOPIA!" Wow, such insight. It's the equivalent of every "serious, realistic, gritty" game having a strip club in the 00's.
Just because men made it a staple of a genre doesn't mean you have to use it. What a concept.
Kind of sounds like you're the one who needs to be "educated on how the dystopian genre works."
What a shit take. I think you'll find that most of that thread was saying how that was wrong, nobody got fucking "educated" about how your sexist views are justified in game because it isn't justified.
And please, "educate" me on how CDPR has absolutely been in the right about all its mistakes regarding transgender people? I'll wait.
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Would you guys be OK with J. K. Rowling writing a quest for Cyberpunk?
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Fuck. Off. When you know LGBT people in Poland right now who are basically living in a nightmare scenario, this gesture by CDPR speaks way more volumes given how valuable they are as a Polish company. You don't have to fully absolve their past actions to give some appreciation where it's due here.
Maybe if they posted it on their actual official social media accounts it would have more of an actual impact and meaning
Who in this thread is acting like their absolved?
Someone needs to get the straw men in this thread a mouse and keyboard so we can hear from them.
This and
this. But fine, good on them I guess, I just don't believe this is more than performative wokeness.
When they take a stance on the official game twitter account, maybe that'll mean something.
Nothing says wholehearted support for a contentious issue like forgoing a portion of profit on a singular item of apparel then sharing said act of altruism on your QA leads twitter account.
It almost brings a tear to my eye.
It almost brings a tear to my eye.
Please clap.
Especially when Rowling used a dying transphobic lesbian as a means of deflecting criticism. You can't say you support all of the rainbow then deny pink, blue, and white exist without showing your hand.
Especially when Rowling used a dying transphobic lesbian as a means of deflecting criticism. You can't say you support all of the rainbow then deny pink, blue, and white exist without showing your hand.
Yup and it's really just cause of eastern Poland being backassward.
Not you saying this gesture speaks volumes(positively) to Trans people.
It's great that any amount at all is going toward a good cause. With that said, fuck CD Projekt Red.
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I feel the same way.
It's annoying that so many are dogpiling on CDPR and THQ Nordic for some douchey actions but aren't putting in the same amount of effort of taking down, say, Activision. They're responsible for, idk, adding QAnon-level propaganda to Black Ops: Cold War, which gets praised by facists like Sargon.
I agree. Also, given how big of a thing CDPR is in Poland this will be reported in the media beyond gaming websites therefore it will reach the homophobic majority in Poland. I'm not saying they're saints but in a country where the LGBT community is being actively dehumanised any kind of support is a good thing in my book.
Considering the situation in Poland right now this seems like a big step. But much more needs to be done considering this company's past with transphobia.
That's neat since it seems from other posts that Poland is in need of this kind of thing, but the main CDPR account seems to not be promoting this and that would help its visibility and effectiveness. They'd also do well to do some trans rights stuff to go all the way considering gamedev twitter was sharing messages of "Trans Rights is Human Rights" all day yesterday.
So they can only help the T of LGBT?
Why do you want them to single out one letter of the LGBT instead of just helping everyone?
*based on market capitalization.
É sempre importante fazer a distinção da métrica em questão! ^^
That's a fallacy (relative privation, specifically) you're arguing against there, don't bother.