I wonder how much it sold for and who the hell would buy some illegal, proprietary engines that are being investigated.
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CDPR Leaks apparently started, Gwent Source Code was uploaded
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I wonder how much it sold for and who the hell would buy some illegal, proprietary engines that are being investigated.
Lets not try to think up thick conspiracy webs around CDPR and this hack
The damage has been done, so soon CDPR, like other companies that have fallen victim to these attacks, will see their information posted online in big data dumps up for grabs, and potentially selling personal employee information to whoever wants it.
I highly doubt personal motives are what drives these hacks. Its usually companies that are in the public eye so they can do as much damage as possible in order to get as much money as possible. This isnt some robin hood scheme, this is a highly criminal act with data up for grabs of 1100 employees/freelancers and other companies that have worked with CRPR
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Odd retort, but I understand your sentiment. Though that wasn't the intention of my post, nor was I disparaging the company or calling this situation a 'conspiracy' (?).
They're obviously the victims of electronic terrorism here. Hopefully no personal details were lifted.
probably partly because I edited my initial message since I noticed I misread your post hahaha, my bad!
Na this is bad. I'm a dev and I'd hate for years of my work to just to be freely copied. I provide open source to help others occasionally but I want control over that. If the developers want to give the source code, that's fine. Being forced into it sucks.
You're probably right in that this won't affect CDPR too much, but that's assuming there's nothing particularly revolutionary in their code. For all I know though, they may have found a better solution for a development/technical issue that could harm them if it gets out (especially since it's particularly hard to get a patent on software solutions).
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Yeah you're absolutely right, as Kotze282 said, it's interesting when you're curious about this kind of thing and want to learn, in a way, from professionals and their way of doing. My comment was mostly in a way that in the grand scheme of things, it's not that bad, but you're right, having their years of work leaked like this isn't pleasing at all, I release the code of my projects, but it was on my own will, I would have been pissed off to be forced to.
That is wholly up to the owners of the code to decide what is open or not. This is a massive loss of IP. It is a big deal.
This is a terrible take and inspecting web source code is in no way the same thing because anything meant to be secure on a website is kept on the server which can't be openly inspected
I mean, nowadays, you wouldn't be able to inspect the web code from a React app for example to learn from it, the same way you couldn't do it for PHP years ago. But, thanks to source code from projects being release to the public, I could learn a lot from them, and so did a lot of beginners.
So again, sure the context is totally different, but look at the recent leak from Nintendo and all the good things that happened. That's not to say it's a good thing, never will and I won't defend the hacker, nor praise them, but I still think it's not that bad and I don't think it will harm CDPR (could be wrong ofc and will gladly admit it if so).
They probably leaked Gwent first to see if it would make them change their mind about paying the ransom because let's be honest, no one cares for Gwent as much as the other stuff. 😂
Thing is gwent is an online game, leaking that will effect profits far more then just witcher 3 because it's a constant source of revenue.
Hopefully the personal data of employees is not leaked out because that would be even more terrible. Say what you want about CDPR, but this is not the way to get back at them. It hurts the devs more than the leads.
Genuine question: what do people actually gain by leaking stolen source code? What exactly are these guys hoping to achieve?
I guess clout is part of it and by releasing GWENT's source they also provided receipts about having goods. Then when they put auction up for REDEngine, TW3, TW3RTX and CP77 source codes there most likely was a lot more interest as hackers had proven they can deliver what they promised.
Money. They leaked Gwent to show they have the goods, and to then auction off the stolen private data of employees and business partners as well as the other source code.
People have a right to be mad at CDPR, but cheering on criminals that profit off identity theft, extortion and ultimately endangerment of people is just absolute trash tier behaviour.
This is crazy, they were asking for $1M starting bid. Who would risk buying this and for what purpose....
And get sued into oblivion? Any dev that touches the proprietary source code doesn't stand a chance releasing the game anywhere without being sued.
If you release games in a country that cares about ownership basically nothing. It would be a massive liability and not worth the risk.
Companies in places like China or Russia could easily buy this without any repercussions and get to examine open world games engines/assets/etc...
When I said "I just don't understand what good this would do anyone" I meant I don't know why someone would spend $1 million+, because how are they supposed to use this to make their money back? Source code being public (not by means of stealing) is definitely great for modding and preservation.
if some russian/chinese national was the buyer and uses it in a china/russia only game good luck getting them in a courtroom lol
How easy is it to identify if source code was used based on binaries? AFAIK unless there's some special behavior in the code that's unlikely to arise through independent development, there's no reliable and consistent way to do so. If whoever bought it also doesn't have a leak of their own source code they'd probably be safe. Though I'm only talking about small pieces of code like shaders or something. If they wholescale steal the engine that's another story.
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I really hope that personal data is safe but the reality is the personal Data is worth more than even the source code. People are going to have their lives completely fucked with for years due to this.
I had my Information compromised in the Data Breach in 2015 or so at the office of personnel management for the US Government. Still having to fight random bullshit as far as identity theft.
I had my Information compromised in the Data Breach in 2015 or so at the office of personnel management for the US Government. Still having to fight random bullshit as far as identity theft.
Anyone asking what hackers would do with these, there's simple answer they will use it for there benefit. Let it be, Chinese mmo style open world game or russian driving game. You do not want your decades of hard work stolen. It's not that hard to understand.
And how the hell people supporting cyber terrorism? CDPR is transphobic. Attack on them was cyber terrorism. Two wrongs doesn't make anything right. It DOESN'T SOLVE any problem.
And how the hell people supporting cyber terrorism? CDPR is transphobic. Attack on them was cyber terrorism. Two wrongs doesn't make anything right. It DOESN'T SOLVE any problem.
Man, this shit is crazy. I know people were upset about the launch of Cyberpunk, but going this far. This hacker is selfish and crazy.
damn that sounds crazy.....this goes straight to the top......of all of china.........
Without assets, models and animations you do very little with just the source code. Still, It's super private data since it's your "know how".
I don't think any company could rationally agree to pay a ransom in a situation like this. No matter how terrible it is to have source code leaked, unfortunately there's no guarantee that the extortionists wouldn't take the ransom and still release the source code anyway. Clearly the thieves are not upstanding, honorable people.
At least GWENT leak had all assets, based on pictures released by media. Could be that TW3, TW3RTX and CP77 also were full scrapes with assets etc.
I took a brief look at Gwent code, it's really clean and high quality code. May be a different story with other games.
It can contain assets, like the leaked Gwent does.
I hope the human beings who sold them for money realize how their great luck in acquiring the sources to be sold isn't a chance everyone gets. I hope they redistribute the money from an overworking corporation to those that need it, like Robin Hood would. Flowers can grow from even the murkiest bogs.
Glad to hear, now my curiosity's piqued, such as how the networking's handled.
Wait, the leak bundles up the code with the assets?
It's a Unity project afaik for Gwent. Others may be separate but it's probably also leaked.