Yay! Another thread. Lets all celebrate how much marketing is involved in this game, lets all joyously bask in being part of that unpaid hype marketing, lets all allow people to forget all the dreadful things CDPR think and do.
I'm assuming since this post wasn't what got you banned it's OK to feel this way so I'm just going to quote it. Took the words right out of my mouth. Have been thinking this for sometime but didn't want to be overly negative
The annoying part is that most of us don't want to be aggressive or hostile. But when we approach in a docile fashion we just get ignored, so we have to push harder. It's lose-lose for us because when we want to be heard we have to be so confrontational, which then just gives bad actors firepower because 'lol sjw's'.Bit weird that flooding the forum with hype threads is fine but "hostility" to people being willfully obtuse is what warrants a ban. Kind of reinforces my point I made in this thread, really. This entire thread is full of trans people feeling genuinely unwelcome because of the blind hype surrounding some AAA game but you call someone a bootlicker for hammering in on suvivorship bias and redefining "preservation" to the point of meaninglessness and that's just too much.
Banning "hostility" is just a way to tone police in a professional way. The fact there was apparently *another* hype thread again makes it clear that the mods here favor band-aid solutions against "bad actors" over tackling the more "silent" issues that cause way more damage. What a joke.
Bit weird that flooding the forum with hype threads is fine but "hostility" to people being willfully obtuse is what warrants a ban. Kind of reinforces my point I made in this thread, really. This entire thread is full of trans people feeling genuinely unwelcome because of the blind hype surrounding some AAA game but you call someone a bootlicker for hammering in on suvivorship bias and redefining "preservation" to the point of meaninglessness and that's just too much.
Banning "hostility" is just a way to tone police in a professional way. The fact there was apparently *another* hype thread again makes it clear that the mods here favor band-aid solutions against "bad actors" over tackling the more "silent" issues that cause way more damage. What a joke.
The annoying part is that most of us don't want to be aggressive or hostile. But when we approach in a docile fashion we just get ignored, so we have to push harder. It's lose-lose for us because when we want to be heard, we have to be so confrontational which then just gives bad actors firepower because 'lol sjw's'.
It is wild looking at the conversations in the 2077 threads, and how they either attack you all for having the gall to have concerns about the transphobia in the game... and the sheer willful ignorance where they just step over you.
I'm shocked that anybody could be on resetera and not care about trans people
it's a hugely important community to the site's history
I'm shocked that anybody could be on resetera and not care about trans people
it's a hugely important community to the site's history
I must have missed this last night but I'll just be honest with you with an extremely short and to the point sentence.
I'm not surprised.
yeah, I understand that it's expected nowadays, but a handful of important people to the site have been LGBT. it just seems backwards (in addition to the obvious, that it's wrong and horrible everywhere)era claims to be a progressive haven on the internet but it's transphobic, racist, misogynistic and ableist as fuck lmao
I started brainstorming something this morning that I wanted to share with the trans community here.
Could it be a good idea for someone to make a thread (and it could be pinned, depending on how you feel about that) containing info about games with important trans characters (protagonists or not), as well as the ones that a trans person was heavily involved? Examples would be Tell Me Why for the former and Celeste for the latter. It could also feature links to OTs for games already released, serving as a hub to them, and reliable trans charities to donate whenever possible. Obviously, it could also feature links to threads such as this and the ones about Trans Awareness Week.
The idea is to give more visibility than ever on ReseEra to everything related to trans people and games. It could help educate cis people who are willing to learn and play more games featured or made by trans folx, as well as provide another safe space to the trans community to discuss everything that is posted there.
What do you think? Good idea? Bad idea? Something that could be used as a base for something else?
"no one is ignoring the trans community" is the FUNNIEST thing i have read today bar none
Part of me wants to believe some journalists are just waiting for the game to come out so they can see the game for themselves and make a judgement based on how the game deals with these things, because that at least means their arguments are backed by the actual content of the game.
But the more realistic part of me also does not hold much respect for most of these journalists to actually believe they will do anything but sing praise for the game and get clicks.
Yeah, I have no doubt that's been happenin. But do you think it could benefit the trans community itself, as well as true cis allies?Seems like with so many posters who don't give a toss to the point of ignoring Kyuuji, this thread (and clearly myself, despite me being lovely :P) people would use the "ignore thread" button with abandon. So they can continue playing their super important games and making yet a 6th hype thread.
Yeah, I have no doubt that's been happenin. But do you think it could benefit the trans community itself, as well as true cis allies?
i appreciate the idea in theory, but in practice i'm not really convinced it'd do much. on top of what Lamptramp said, i think it'd be tricky to even just narrow down which games "deserve" a place on that thread and the discussion would risk devolving into discussing that instead. the state of trans representation in video games is enough of a mess that a lot of us don't completely agree on what counts as "good" examples, because there's so few trans characters written by trans people (and even that doesn't guarantee people not writing harmful views).I started brainstorming something this morning that I wanted to share with the trans community here.
Could it be a good idea for someone to make a thread (and it could be pinned, depending on how you feel about that) containing info about games with important trans characters (protagonists or not), as well as the ones that a trans person was heavily involved? Examples would be Tell Me Why for the former and Celeste for the latter. It could also feature links to OTs for games already released, serving as a hub to them, and reliable trans charities to donate whenever possible. Obviously, it could also feature links to threads such as this and the ones about Trans Awareness Week.
The idea is to give more visibility than ever on ReseEra to everything related to trans people and games. It could help educate cis people who are willing to learn and play more games featured or made by trans folx, as well as provide another safe space to the trans community to discuss everything that is posted there.
What do you think? Good idea? Bad idea? Something that could be used as a base for something else?
That makes sense. Sorry, I have that thread on my ignore list so I didn't see what was happening.Before this afternoons shambles in the CDPR thread I would have said of course, it certainly wouldn't hurt. Now though I'm almost too exhausted to bother :)
That makes sense, too! Thanks for your input.i appreciate the idea in theory, but in practice i'm not really convinced it'd do much. on top of what Lamptramp said, i think it'd be tricky to even just narrow down which games "deserve" a place on that thread and the discussion would risk devolving into discussing that instead. the state of trans representation in video games is enough of a mess that a lot of us don't completely agree on what counts as "good" examples, because there's so few trans characters written by trans people (and even that doesn't guarantee people not writing harmful views).
the charities have this issue slightly less, but even then not everyone agrees on which ones are worth donating to.
you're welcome! and thank you for all the support in this thread, honestly. i know i complain a lot about how frustrated i am about the people who don't take this stuff seriously and it honestly often feels like that's just Everyone, but it's been really heartening seeing the regulars in this thread.
As a cis person I would appreciate this a lot, a positive and constructive thread around this would be nice. Would be nice to highlight those people/games/companies that are progressing here.I started brainstorming something this morning that I wanted to share with the trans community here.
Could it be a good idea for someone to make a thread (and it could be pinned, depending on how you feel about that) containing info about games with important trans characters (protagonists or not), as well as the ones that a trans person was heavily involved? Examples would be Tell Me Why for the former and Celeste for the latter. It could also feature links to OTs for games already released, serving as a hub to them, and reliable trans charities to donate whenever possible. Obviously, it could also feature links to threads such as this and the ones about Trans Awareness Week.
The idea is to give more visibility than ever on ReseEra to everything related to trans people and games. It could help educate cis people who are willing to learn and play more games featured or made by trans folx, as well as provide another safe space to the trans community to discuss everything that is posted there.
What do you think? Good idea? Bad idea? Something that could be used as a base for something else?
"no one is ignoring the trans community" is the FUNNIEST thing i have read today bar none
Of course. The trans community here is incredible, and it sucks seeing you hurting so much. I'm here to listen and give support.you're welcome! and thank you for all the support in this thread, honestly. i know i complain a lot about how frustrated i am about the people who don't take this stuff seriously and it honestly often feels like that's just Everyone, but it's been really heartening seeing the regulars in this thread.
As a cis person I would appreciate this a lot, a positive and constructive thread around this would be nice. Would be nice to highlight those people/games/companies that are progressing here.
That being said, might have to be careful when creating the thread as to not have it seem "reactionary" given the current state of things.
For the record, if something comes out of this, it shouldn't be me. It belongs first and foremost to the trans community. I gave the idea so it can be discussed, and changed if accepted in any way. I'd be willing to help by doing research and finding possible information for the thread, but it should be created by a trans member, not a cis one like myself. And that's only if they agree it's a good thing.I mean I'm going to be honest, I'd have a hard time even needing the second hand to count any trans men in gaming, let alone good ones. Trans women have slightly better representation, but not by much.
Honestly, I'd think that a majority of Americans wouldn't be able to name one trans person even outside of games, besides Jenner.
The company is transphobic. That's it.Serious question: when you say CDPR is transphobic, who exactly do you mean? All of the 1100+ employees? All of management? Some people in management? Only the two founders? The Twitter guys? Only CD Project Red, or the whole CD project company?
I think it's important when we call people transphobic (or racistic or..) to not generalize, and really blame the right people.
CDPR are a transphobic company because transphobic bigotry is allowed to fester and calls against it are brushed aside.Serious question: when you say CDPR is transphobic, who exactly do you mean? All of the 1100+ employees? All of management? Some people in management? Only the two founders? The Twitter guys? Only CD Project Red, or the whole CD project company?
I think it's important when we call people transphobic (or racistic or..) to not generalize, and really blame the right people.
I'm not calling people transphobic, I'm calling the company transphobic for their consistent output, boosting of and tolerance for transphobia.Serious question: when you say CDPR is transphobic, who exactly do you mean? All of the 1100+ employees? All of management? Some people in management? Only the two founders? The Twitter guys? Only CD Project Red, or the whole CD project company?
I think it's important when we call people transphobic (or racistic or..) to not generalize, and really blame the right people.
Realistically I assume that most games journalists rank among the working poor. They couldn't afford to alienate their career or company by getting black-listed by the company doing one of the biggest releases of the year.
But even more realistically, none of the good, critical investigation of this whole situation will be done by any of them aside from a footnote and maybe a few op-eds. Going to have to wait for the more in-depth independent video creators to bother. And I don't really know that any of super big video game essayists really have much to offer on this front. Maybe like, Hbomb, but it'd be nice to get a more personal and trans lens on it once the dust has settled.
"no one is ignoring the trans community" is the FUNNIEST thing i have read today bar none
Serious question: when you say CDPR is transphobic, who exactly do you mean? All of the 1100+ employees? All of management? Some people in management? Only the two founders? The Twitter guys? Only CD Project Red, or the whole CD project company?
I think it's important when we call people transphobic (or racistic or..) to not generalize, and really blame the right people.
Serious question: when you say CDPR is transphobic, who exactly do you mean? All of the 1100+ employees? All of management? Some people in management? Only the two founders? The Twitter guys? Only CD Project Red, or the whole CD project company?
I think it's important when we call people transphobic (or racistic or..) to not generalize, and really blame the right people.
Here's the reality, I think: there will be no slurs used. This alone will be used as a defense against criticism. Passive-aggressive bigotry is the norm and will continue to be so.
I for one only talk about Benny in Q&A. God he's transphobic as fuck.
/S obv
Curio has done great video essays on videogames, their one on Control is brilliant. I hope they cover Cyberpunk 2077 and if so, would likely get into the nitty gritty politics like for their other essays.Realistically I assume that most games journalists rank among the working poor. They couldn't afford to alienate their career or company by getting black-listed by the company doing one of the biggest releases of the year.
But even more realistically, none of the good, critical investigation of this whole situation will be done by any of them aside from a footnote and maybe a few op-eds. Going to have to wait for the more in-depth independent video creators to bother. And I don't really know that any of super big video game essayists really have much to offer on this front. Maybe like, Hbomb, but it'd be nice to get a more personal and trans lens on it once the dust has settled.
Even that's not really enough, the ads already show NPC's calling female V things like Bitch and c-word, bring up that maybe not good to have such gendered insults going towards the female protag that male players don't have to deal with you will get a lot of posters defending it as them just showing how horrible the world is and that it's fine and totally needed. Actually I think the time I brought that up as something not to do, I got it inferred by a poster that I had a mental illness and that it was for me to deal with my issues .Seriously, there could be trans slurs in game and you would still get posters defending it as "it's just CDPR showing it's bad!". There's a lot of people that will defend anything from CDPR. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of journalists worried about making even the mildest criticism with regards to how Cyberpunk handles marginalised groups because given what's happened in the past with games like this that are already so beloved before they come out, there will be harassment and death threats for anyone who doesn't glowingly praise.You're not wrong. the bar of what the general audience considers discrimination ends at exact words 🤷
Always a giggle to be reduced as a whole down to "politics" and a suggestion made that we sit at another table to the people that like games.I'm sorry another community of people on this forum is treated poorly because people would rather play a game and get to say "my privileges allow me to not give a damn about your struggles or discrimination so please fuck off while I consume a game and not give 2 shits about your community because reasons" -_- my gaming rights > actual people's rights ... am I right
Oh my god TELL me about it. I almost never comment on here because of all the hate I get for trans (demi-two spirit, but more fluid), and just today alone i cried so much i stained my brand new sequined Bebe top and matching school girl skirt.😢Bit weird that flooding the forum with hype threads is fine but "hostility" to people being willfully obtuse is what warrants a ban. Kind of reinforces my point I made in this thread, really. This entire thread is full of trans people feeling genuinely unwelcome because of the blind hype surrounding some AAA game but you call someone a bootlicker for hammering in on suvivorship bias and redefining "preservation" to the point of meaninglessness and that's just too much.
Banning "hostility" is just a way to tone police in a professional way. The fact there was apparently *another* hype thread again makes it clear that the mods here favor band-aid solutions against "bad actors" over tackling the more "silent" issues that cause way more damage. What a joke.
The thing is I really don't remember other games getting this many threads for such meaningless stuff, it's like if someone on CDPR sneezed there's a new thread. And I find it hard to believe that the more hardcore posters didn';t know that mods were trying to limit the number of threads as well :/ Being excited doesn't mean you should just ignore the feelings of others, there was nothing stopping them being excited in the existing threads.It's one thing to begrudgingly play a game you know is wrong, it's another to change your avatar to advertise the game and act like you opened an early Christmas present with every promotion or marketing piece.
The shameless and callous disregard for trans rights has been incredible to witness.
Oh my god TELL me about it. I almost never comment on here because of all the hate I get for trans (demi-two spirit, but more fluid), and just today alone i cried so much i stained my brand new sequined Bebe top and matching school girl skirt.😢
And then my older brother keeps calling me for money, mind you this same POS molested me as a child and got away it.
I JUST...CANT EVEN TODAY.
I know you already banned, but really dude? Go troll somewhere else.Oh my god TELL me about it. I almost never comment on here because of all the hate I get for trans (demi-two spirit, but more fluid), and just today alone i cried so much i stained my brand new sequined Bebe top and matching school girl skirt.😢
And then my older brother keeps calling me for money, mind you this same POS molested me as a child and got away it.
I JUST...CANT EVEN TODAY.