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.Detective.

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A deadly pandemic is about to force a reckoning upon a nation whose cherished founding creed is that all people are created equal.

It's becoming clearer which Americans will shoulder an unequal share of the suffering from start to finish of the COVID-19 pandemic, as the United States becomes the new epicentre of it.

Poorer people are less likely to get tested early, to have health coverage, to be allowed to work from home, to get paid leave and to work or study from a video-streaming connection.

They are more likely to be packing groceries, washing buildings and encountering other people's germs while keeping the country running.

At the very onset of the crisis, it was apparent that not everyone enjoyed the same access to screening.

Until a couple of days ago, more players in the National Basketball Association (total population: 550) tested positive than the entire populace of West Virginia (population: 1.8 million).

Wealthy athletes paid for private tests. But in one of the poorest states, a resident told CBC News it's a no-brainer why there were zero reported cases until a few days ago: only a few dozen people had been tested.

"Because we don't go to the doctor," said Amy Jo Hutchison, a former preschool teacher, now a an anti-poverty activist, in West Virginia's traditional steel-producing area.

"Because we can't afford to go to the doctor. We don't go to the doctor unless we think we're going to die."

Global problem with American twist

To be clear, inequality in pandemics is a global phenomenon — it's true in Canada today, and it was true of pandemics in the past, such as the Spanish flu, which tended to hit poor people hardest.

But this pandemic presents particular challenges in the U.S., which the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development ranks as one of the most unequal countries in the developed world.

It's partly driven by uneven access to health care.

Even before this crisis, nearly 10 per cent of Americans lacked it — and now, with rising joblessness, those numbers could explode, because nearly half of Americans get insurance through their jobs.

 

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On the plus side, when the stock market is crashing I can point and laugh because I had zero money coming into this thing and an unemployment check plus $1200 means I'm ahead as long as I don't die.
 

Servbot24

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On the plus side, when the stock market is crashing I can point and laugh because I had zero money coming into this thing and an unemployment check plus $1200 means I'm ahead as long as I don't die.
Stock market crashing hurts a lot of modest people. I get what you're saying but it's a bit over the top to laugh at the many people who slowly and honestly saved for retirement and now can no longer afford it.
 

Slayven

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Wait until the everyone is suppose to be back at work the monday easter.
 

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it makes me very angry that supporting our people or even whether or not to support our people became a bipartisan issue
 

AZ Greg

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Stock market crashing hurts a lot of modest people. I get what you're saying but it's a bit over the top to laugh at the many people who slowly and honestly saved for retirement and now can no longer afford it.

This is Resetera where most posters welcome all people joining them in their misery.
 

PennyStonks

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Here is my proposal. We shut down until medicine decides we open again. The haves will give their neednots to the havenots so the havenots have their needs.
 
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As a New Yorker this is what makes trumps "well slowly open up less afflicted parts of the country first" mantra even more ridiculous.

our numbers are high cuz we're testing at a high rate. It's like he's looking at our elevated numbers and saying since everyone else's isn't as high then those places must not be so bad.

There's really no good way to gauge how bad any of these places actually are cuz widespread testing, for various reasons, is far from the norm.

hence why we have to buckle in and accept this is gonna get way uglier before it gets pretty.

Fuck all this opening the country up bullshit
 

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So the cynic era response is "alot of us were waiting for this to happen and it was climate change, it's just happening faster than we ever thought" but the human being in me says "all these fucking needless deaths, such a waste"

And then the bad person in me says "we kill people over seas constantly and we don't even blink" and then the scared person in me says "my uncle is downstairs and sick as fuck with the right symptoms and my 91 year old grandmother is up here and I'm terrified. He lied about getting tested so he just got tested 2 days ago we are still pending"

But then the cptsd in me says "I'm weirdly calm and collected for the most part, being in crisis 24/7 I'm uniquely prepared for this" and then the post whore in me has to share each and every conflicted thought
 

PepsimanVsJoe

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Surprise surprise. It's the unskilled labor that keeps this shitheap country running.

Oh but now we're essential, big fucking whoop
 

KtotheRoc

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it makes me very angry that supporting our people or even whether or not to support our people became a bipartisan issue
And yet, not the least bit surprising. Republicans are subhuman trash. It's why my eyes roll to the very back of my head when so many people here try to say that Hillary, Biden, etc. are just as bad as a Republican.
 

Alucrid

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On the plus side, when the stock market is crashing I can point and laugh because I had zero money coming into this thing and an unemployment check plus $1200 means I'm ahead as long as I don't die.

i guess if you want to laugh at people of all income levels who are worried about losing their ability to retire you can. makes you seem just as much of a sociopath as the republicans you constantly rail against
 

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And yet, not the least bit surprising. Republicans are subhuman trash. It's why my eyes roll to the very back of my head when so many people here try to say that Hillary, Biden, etc. are just as bad as a Republican.

Oh I can't stand Hillary or Biden but when push comes to shove... I will take them over Trump 10 times out of 10.
 

J Snow

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Is it really a surprise that people with wealth and status have easy access to resources that most don't?
 

Heshinsi

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Shouldn't gamble with your money. Doesn't always work out. 🤷🏻‍♂️

The stock market also has the pension plan investments for many public and private employees, who have no (or very little) power over how their pension plans are invested. There are a lot of regular people who are seeing their life savings be wiped out. Like Bezos and Gates lose a few billion and it's whatever to their bottom line. Regular folks whose pensions are tied up into stocks don't have that comfort.
 

Woody

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What a shitty first post...seek help.

Unfortunately the 'haves' have done an impeccable job at convincing the working class that the real problem is minorities and foreign invaders, not the ones hoarding wealth. I doubt that's going to change until we're past the breaking/tipping point.
 

samoyed

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The self-described socialists here tend to be stereotyped as "idealists" but that's not really true. We're really the cynical realists here who don't buy into the collective fever dream of capitalism, and when shit hits the fan people learn really quickly whats essential and what's not. The only question is whether they'll remember this lesson when things go back to normal (if they ever go back to "normal").
 
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i guess if you want to laugh at people of all income levels who are worried about losing their ability to retire you can. makes you seem just as much of a sociopath as the republicans you constantly rail against
Not really. Republicans wanted and built the system that's failing them. The user you're responding to most probably had little to no say.
 

bane833

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i guess if you want to laugh at people of all income levels who are worried about losing their ability to retire you can. makes you seem just as much of a sociopath as the republicans you constantly rail against
If retirement depends on something that basically amounts to gambling there is something fundamentally wrong. Maybe it´s time for the people to wake up and change the system.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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doesn't mean you have to relish in ordinary people's suffering, which they are
I don't think he was laughing at the regular people or relishing in their suffering.
I'm ahead as long as I don't die.

Also I'd rather people be more mad at those in power who put the average worker in this predicament than some forum poster who barely made it out okay in this mess.
 

Skel1ingt0n

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On the plus side, when the stock market is crashing I can point and laugh because I had zero money coming into this thing and an unemployment check plus $1200 means I'm ahead as long as I don't die.


There's a semi-close manufacturing plant that had to do forced early layoffs and their staff's pensions are heavily built on the company's stock... as it's dropped 75% this year. That hurts normal people.
 

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The self-described socialists here tend to be stereotyped as "idealists" but that's not really true. We're really the cynical realists here who don't buy into the collective fever dream of capitalism, and when shit hits the fan people learn really quickly whats essential and what's not. The only question is whether they'll remember this lesson when things go back to normal (if they ever go back to "normal").


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Gilded Age never went out of fashion.
 

Viriditas

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Gallows humor isn't a very pretty or palatable response to overwhelming crises, but it's an understandable one. Feeling discouraged or frustrated in the face of said crises by other people's use of gallows humor is also understandable. I think we ought to try and reel in the sniping a bit -- we're all in this together and we're all getting big fucked. Some folks need to cry about it, others need to laugh about it, and most of us are probably doing a fair amount of both to cope.

FWIW Hiphopopotamus' post struck a chord with me. I've spent my entire adulthood at or near the bottom of the economic totem pole -- always poor, often hungry, occasionally homeless, precarious housing at best, heavily in debt due to student loans and medical bills, and with little to no access to basic health care, let alone the professional support that I specifically need as an autistic woman. I'm well accustomed to living in survival mode, working my ass off to simply exist in a system to which my needs are effectively invisible and which leaves me with nothing of substance at the end of the day beyond the grim satisfaction of knowing that, against all odds, I'm still fucking here.

And then... *gestures broadly at everything* ...this shit happens. The system is in upheaval.

All of a sudden, my frugality, my practical skills, my introversion, even my precarious housing are assets. They matter more now than ever before. Now my not-quite-living-wage-paying part-time job is a crucial blessing, when an unprecedented number of people are going unemployed. As a food service worker in a hospital I have, seemingly overnight, gone from "economic cannonfodder" to "essential personnel." My boss gave me papers two days ago literally stating such, in case I get stopped by police on my way to/from work.

It feels like the world is turning upside-down and I've somehow found myself in a tiny bubble of financial privilege. It feels bizarre. It feels a little uncomfortable too, like survivor's guilt. Folks deal with those feelings in different ways, and from where I'm standing, I can certainly see the appeal of the gallows humor.

Personally, I've been channeling my anxiety into checking in on folks (especially immigrants/extroverts/the elderly/parents with young children) and planting food. I'm a shitty gardener at best, but dammit, I have access to a tiny yard and these winter giant spinaches are hardy bastards, so here goes nothin'. I want to be able to help provide some healthy nutrition to my friends/coworkers/local food bank. Leverage my little privileges where I can.

But then the cptsd in me says "I'm weirdly calm and collected for the most part, being in crisis 24/7 I'm uniquely prepared for this" and then the post whore in me has to share each and every conflicted thought

This is probably the most relatable thing I've read so far, lol

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