I wouldn't let it determine if I want to play a game, I understand my beliefs may not be the same as others, maybe others should to?
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Catherine: Full Body - Death By Nightmare Trailer
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I wouldn't let it determine if I want to play a game, I understand my beliefs may not be the same as others, maybe others should to?
That sounds a little better, but I am curious to see how they handle it in English.
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a lot of folks on this forum I have noticed seem to be extreme to the point of not buying a game because it doesn't cater to their agenda, just get a game that is interesting to you.
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I can't imagine it being a problem, the JP version is very straight forward. There's no way around
Vincent slapping Rin's hand away
The Erica stuff is decidedly more problematic, but again, in my opinion, this is the result of simple ignorance on the part of the developer. It's not malicious, per se, it's just thoughtless.
Which, hopefully, Atlus USA can touch up on and correct.
Since Catherine is one of my favorite games ever, I really hope they can put the right foot forward, take the problems head on, and say 'hey, we realize this is bad, and we're fixing it'. Don't dance around it.
The second one can kinda be redone by making Vincent look like an asshole, the first one seems far more involved...
Edited my original post, thanks for the headsup!
Oh, yeah that changes things then. Really shitty of Atlus to do that if they legit think a trans person would be happier not transitioning.
If Hashino wanted to cover these topics he should have got trans folks on board as an advisory role. My hope is that Atlus USA lets them know, but I'm worried Atlus Japan will just ignore them.
you don't need to redo anything in catherine to make vincent look like an asshole. he has always been an asshole
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The scene immediately after that very clearly paints that he's just that.
Im in the crowd that I'm hoping the localization can do the best it can, and that despite his game design brilliance I am happy at this point that Hino is gone because of this shit, but Catherine is still at the moment my favorite game so I'm probably going to pick this up. And because I'm being naive I'm going to choose to believe those saying the initial impressions were misguided.
Gotcha. Still not a fan of the scene being in the game at all, of course, but at least the game seems to condemn his reaction.
What somewhat bothers me about the Rin route is that, with the new stuff about Erica, I can't help but think this is their version of "making up for how they handled Erica in the original". It just seems unlikely to me that they'd willingly want to include a progressive romance route with a gay crossdressing man that has no relations at all with how they view trans women.
I just can't help but think they're saying "look, here, you can romance the gay crossdresser too, we're totally ok with Erica, see?"
It's a case of their past and current behavior torwards these issues making it hard for me to take at face value what is in itself pretty positive.
One thing I do like, though, is that if this works like the original, a lot of people will end up with that ending without consciouly going for it. They'll just answer the questions truthfully and may end up with a Vincent X Rin ending, even if they didn't necessarily wanted to see that content, for whatever reason. That's pretty cool. That's the game treating that path as equally valid, and an ending worthy of being presented to any player, not just those consciously seeking that kind of representation.
I just can't help but think they're saying "look, here, you can romance the gay crossdresser too, we're totally ok with Erica, see?"
It's a case of their past and current behavior torwards these issues making it hard for me to take at face value what is in itself pretty positive.
One thing I do like, though, is that if this works like the original, a lot of people will end up with that ending without consciouly going for it. They'll just answer the questions truthfully and may end up with a Vincent X Rin ending, even if they didn't necessarily wanted to see that content, for whatever reason. That's pretty cool. That's the game treating that path as equally valid, and an ending worthy of being presented to any player, not just those consciously seeking that kind of representation.
I haven't played the game myself but I have seen the scene on YT. Vincent doesn't hit Rin in a violent way but just slaps her hand away and is shown to regret it. So I think that's at least salvageable as it least presents his reaction as wrong.
I think people not being okay with the transphobia in this game is 100% justified, and them considering it unplayable as a result is perfectly reasonable and acceptable. I think trans people wanting to not be treated like shit isn't an "agenda", just as much as LGBT pride in messages in Splatoon 2 isn't "politics"
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I kind of feel like that was their intention. They show Vincent at his lowest(par for the course), then let him grow and take Rin for who he is. And their ending is legit very sweet.
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I'm paraphrasing here, but
Erica asks Vincent where Rin is, and Vincent tells her what he did, and Erica's like 'you dipshit what the HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU GO APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW' and he does.
By the way, let me shill The MISSING for a second:
It's currently on sale, and it talks about some of the issues that keep popping up in Atlus games, only in a much more positive light. It's a great story and a pretty fun puzzle platformer. J.J. is my favorite character of 2018.
Kind of feeling like replaying it again. It's honestly just fun.
If you enjoy some of the puzzles in Limbo, this will be right up your alley.
It's currently on sale, and it talks about some of the issues that keep popping up in Atlus games, only in a much more positive light. It's a great story and a pretty fun puzzle platformer. J.J. is my favorite character of 2018.
Kind of feeling like replaying it again. It's honestly just fun.
If you enjoy some of the puzzles in Limbo, this will be right up your alley.
It's on PS4, Xbox One and Switch as well, but I don't think it's currently on sale in those platforms.
I don't know how in the world I forgot to mention it in the first post, but The MISSING is the newest game by SWERY, the creator of Deadly Premonition.
Yup, on PS4, Switch, and Xbox One. It's a Swery65 game too. I've yet to play it, but it's really high on my list.
Oooh, that's awesome, thanks. I'll look into getting this later today when I am home.
I hope you enjoy it! The message you surely will, but the game part is a bit more divisive. It's pretty short, though, so it should be easy to endure even if you don't like it that much.
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There's also the trigger warnings, it touches on a lot of heavy subjects. But it is a great game, and shows that not all Japanese devs are as tactless as Atlus.
mmhmm. wont be picking this up.
and side note - wont be picking up P5 royal if they don't fix the THAT scene.
Yeah, it being from a japanese studio is very important. It really means a lot. Especially from someone who makes weird ass games like Swery, I suppose, because it means the message will reach people who are just looking for some weird Twin Peaks shit, and not just those who would be buying an indie western game that is strictly about those issues. The MISSING is just as weird and often funny as you'd expect from a Swery game.
I''ll second this notion. What a beautiful game. Great representation, and some genuinely heart wrenching moments. I adore this game.
Echoing what someone else said, this is also a rare case of a Japanese dev showing tact, and respect. The opening message of the game almost brought me to tears, honestly.
Everyone wants the game to be edited and a bit shorter because it's bloated. Well, I can think of a few very easy cuts.
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They should just cut back on the 'kill time until [x] happens' nonsense. In fact, the 'we have this amount of time' nonsense needs to go, period. I hope 5 is the end of it. It worked for 3, Memento Mori. 4 and 5, not so much.
