Castlevania Season 3 | OT | Out now! (Open spoilers) [UPDATE: Season 4 announced! See threadmarks!]

Admiral Woofington · Mar 7, 2020

lvl 99 Pixel said:
So the consensus is that S3 is good, then?

Consensus is that S3 is like S1 was, a set-up for more things to be done, but if done in more episodes with a more thorough way to set up the future seasons and a lot of character development for most of the characters. I jokingly called it the Hearts of Stone to S1/S2's Witcher 3 Main Campaign but I might not be joking. Smaller in scope, particularly for one of the main groups being followed, but their personality just fucking SHINES so much even if relatively low stakes. The action is still amazing so you won't be disappointed if you liked that in S1/S2.

FF Seraphim · Mar 7, 2020

So question about the enemies:

Are those angel creatures suppose to be Snipers of Goth? Or some new thing?

Kinsei · Mar 7, 2020

Kalentan said:
Though that isn't to say that there isn't some INCREDIBLE action tho.

Oh yeah. The animation is great and the creativity kept blowing me away.

Tace · Mar 7, 2020

Great season, will be rewatching this often. I thought the strongest episodes were at the beginning and at the end. The finale of S2 is still the peak, but as a whole S3 is the best yet.

HStallion · Mar 7, 2020

The coolest monster was that multilegged goat archer. Built in infinite ammo lol

Marossi · Mar 7, 2020

Soo.....

Is anyone going to talk about that old lady that Isaac met before the battle against Legion? Is she just a original character or an adaptation? Why does she have some kind of magic powers there? At first I thought it was Death disguised as a old woman, with the whole village being abandoned and shit, before the reveal that it was Legion's making that made the village abandoned.

Aside from that really liked this more methodical and slow approach to this season. Almost with the same high highs from Season 2.

So glad to see an cameo from Dracula, can't wait for him to make his return, such a good character.

RedDevil · Mar 7, 2020

Not bad but a slight step down from S2.

HammerFace said:
I really didn't care for Alucard's part of this season. I feel like there was the

Heavy Rain problem going on with the two Japanese kids. Like if they were going through all of that and had murderous intent towards Alucard, why would none of that be discussed during their moment alone. Instead it's them still talking about Alucard in a positive light. Like I saw a betrayal coming a mile away, but the reasons and their motivations just kind of came out of nowhere.

The way it ended with Alucard killing the pair only to have their corpses as a warning sign made it feel like Alucard achieved absolutely nothing this season. I feel in a way it also happened with how things ended up for Isaac in the last episode, except he got the mirror in Tunisia got more "followers" and is closer to Styria, and also most of his scenes were pretty great.

faceless · Mar 7, 2020

watched 4 eps last night and 6 today, totally drawn in to this season. wow, what a ride.

I really didn't get his strategy of tanking all the way to the top of the tower in one night. what the fuck? why not just safely take a week to get there by slowly turning the whole city?

as soon as soon as he told the kid to pick three apples i was like 'oh shit' and saw him in a different light

the way she continues to improve on her magic usage was really good

It was so much fun to see her gaslighting Hector bit by bit. had me going back and forth between is she for real or nah.

how many other people who were just trying to help them did they murder on the way to Alucard? they didn't seem to have much patience at all.

Kinsei · Mar 7, 2020

Haee said:
Soo.....

Is anyone going to talk about that old lady that Isaac met before the battle against Legion? Is she just a original character or an adaptation? Why does she have some kind of magic powers there? At first I thought it was Death disguised as a old woman, with the whole village being abandoned and shit, before the reveal that it was Legion's making that made the village abandoned.

Aside from that really liked this more methodical and slow approach to this season. Almost with the same high highs from Season 2.

So glad to see an cameo from Dracula, can't wait for him to make his return, such a good character.

That witch is likely an original character. Though it could be revealed that she's Drolta (Who is speculated to have been Death in disguise).

Officer Big Mac · Mar 7, 2020

Lionheart360 said:
On Hector

Everyone is calling Hector stupid and a "simp", but I mean come on, most of us would have done the same thing. What else was he supposed to do? Sit there and rot?

Plus, maybe there's still a chance she really does fall for him and betrays her sisters. The fact that she already stood up for him in front of them says something.

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Hector knows hes being played and yet he still falls for it. The only reason he is alive is because they need him to make monsters. He knows it. They know it. Everyone knows it. They say it out loud. But poor stupid Hector falls for the honeypot anyways.

No good would come from engaging with his captor. We are not told or shown what Hectors true motivations might be so we have to take everything at face value. And that is telling us that Hector's really naieve and he thought Lenore was ready to betray her family for him. They could have handled this better for sure.

carlsojo · Mar 7, 2020

Sypha is the coolest fucking person ever.

HStallion · Mar 7, 2020

Officer Big Mac said:
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Hector knows hes being played and yet he still falls for it. The only reason he is alive is because they need him to make monsters. He knows it. They know it. Everyone knows it. They say it out loud. But poor stupid Hector falls for the honeypot anyways.

No good would come from engaging with his captor. We are not told or shown what Hectors true motivations might be so we have to take everything at face value. And that is telling us that Hector's really naieve and he thought Lenore was ready to betray her family for him. They could have handled this better for sure.

Some people are just really gullible.

Marossi · Mar 7, 2020

HStallion said:
Some people are just really gullible.

I don't blame him, I probably would have fallen for it aswell because I'm just as gullible. Fucking sucks.

Busaiku · Mar 7, 2020

Really wonder how they're gonna set up for this.
Is Lenore gonna be Rosaly? Is Hector gonna be Stockholm'd or sonething?
There's 2 (?) years till Curse of Darkness, so how will this work out.

lupinko · Mar 7, 2020

Busaiku said:
Really wonder how they're gonna set up for this.
Is Lenore gonna be Rosaly? Is Hector gonna be Stockholm'd or sonething?
There's 2 (?) years till Curse of Darkness, so how will this work out.

It's Curse of Darkness already with Saint Germain.

Busaiku · Mar 7, 2020

lupinko said:
It's Curse of Darkness already with Saint Germain.

I mean, it's not 1479 yet.

Officer Big Mac · Mar 7, 2020

lvl 99 Pixel said:
So the consensus is that S3 is good, then?

It's okay. I dont dislike it for what it isnt (action heavy) but rather for what it is. They fumble more than one characters journey through the season. It's not bad and you should watch it but I'd never feel the need to watch it again.

Lionheart360 · Mar 7, 2020

Officer Big Mac said:
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Hector knows hes being played and yet he still falls for it. The only reason he is alive is because they need him to make monsters. He knows it. They know it. Everyone knows it. They say it out loud. But poor stupid Hector falls for the honeypot anyways.

No good would come from engaging with his captor. We are not told or shown what Hectors true motivations might be so we have to take everything at face value. And that is telling us that Hector's really naieve and he thought Lenore was ready to betray her family for him. They could have handled this better for sure.

But

What good would come from not engaging with his captor? He literally would have rotted away. His choice was pretty much death by starvation/disease or live a luxury life as a "pet."

Desi · Mar 7, 2020

Hector

love how this season and the last made the show into Hector torture porn. MY BOY!!

roflwaffles · Mar 7, 2020

Hector's dumb for falling for it but I ain't gonna lie, I woulda probably done the same thing in his position. That vampire ass is impossible to say no to.

Admiral Woofington · Mar 7, 2020

Desi said:
Hector

love how this season and the last made the show into Hector torture porn. MY BOY!!

Deleted member 52442 · Mar 7, 2020

I mean

Hector's position is literally as good as it was ever going to get, even if how we got there leaves a little to be desired

He's still a dumb fuck but he's lucky it was Lenore and not literally anyone else

Kalentan · Mar 7, 2020

Desi said:
Hector

love how this season and the last made the show into Hector torture porn. MY BOY!!

Hystzen · Mar 7, 2020

Hector

the only think I would say was dumb that he did was grab a vampire by throat threatening to rip it out . Apart from that he did what he had to survive. Also Hector is a follower he needs a leader and be controlled whereas Issac learns to be independent

FF Seraphim · Mar 7, 2020

Busaiku said:
I mean, it's not 1479 yet.

I do not think we should be taking the video game story with any importance now. They are changing things in this to fit what they want to tell. Hell we don't even have Grant in this so I doubt years even matter.

Cess007 · Mar 7, 2020

roflwaffles said:
Hector's dumb for falling for it but I ain't gonna lie, I woulda probably done the same thing in his position. That vampire ass is impossible to say no to.

Honestly, Hector was in an impossible situation. Nothing much he could did, at least he's not in a rotten cell and will have some agency to move around the castle.

Also, by the end, he was most probably thinking: "Doesn't matter. Had sex" lol

HStallion · Mar 7, 2020

FF Seraphim said:
I do not think we should be taking the video game story with any importance now. They are changing things in this to fit what they want to tell. Hell we don't even have Grant in this so I doubt years even matter.

He's in it. He's the butt of several jokes.

FF Seraphim · Mar 7, 2020

HStallion said:
He's in it. He's the butt of several jokes.

Wait was he the Land Pirate?

Mewzard · Mar 7, 2020

FF Seraphim said:
Wait was he the Land Pirate?

Oh, the wait will all be worth it if he sails into one of the battles on his wheeled boat as his introduction. XD

Easy_D · Mar 7, 2020

Was genuinely surprised that (full season spoilers?)

the Judge WASN'T death. Dude is straight up Zead from Curse of Darkness lol

Rosé Fighter · Mar 7, 2020

One thing about Hector is that

There's a bit of poetic justice to his situation. In season 2 he is criticized by Carmilla that he keeps dead things around as pets(IIRC) and that he himself has a tendency to make these creatures not as the monsters that they are, like Isaac, but as pets for his own enjoyment. So to have that be turned around to him being a pet is well..interesting to see.

StallionDan · Mar 7, 2020

Lionheart360 said:
On Hector

Everyone is calling Hector stupid and a "simp", but I mean come on, most of us would have done the same thing. What else was he supposed to do? Sit there and rot?

Plus, maybe there's still a chance she really does fall for him and betrays her sisters. The fact that she already stood up for him in front of them says something.

Most men would agree to anything a girl asked in that moment but never mean it. And I lot of women try get men to agree something at that moment.

Gold Arsene · Mar 7, 2020

I'm still not sure if I like the liberties they take with the story but I like the show itself. Don't know if I'll know for sure until I see how they finish CoD and how they adapt whatever they do next.(assuming they do choose to adapt another game.)

Buckle · Mar 7, 2020

King Dodongo said:
I can't see anyone hating Isaac's arc, that one was basically perfect.

Hector is too pathetic to kill at this point.

Kind of hoping Issac has a change of heart and helps his former bud out.

Kalentan · Mar 7, 2020

Re: Judge

MonadL · Mar 7, 2020

roflwaffles said:
Hector's dumb for falling for it but I ain't gonna lie, I woulda probably done the same thing in his position. That vampire ass is impossible to say no to.

Hector doing it wasn't what annoyed me. Not much you can really do when surrounded by a bunch of vampires that are ten times stronger than you. It was him acting surprised a person he already suspected was going to pull some fuckery, did in fact pull some fuckery. Like he called it from the beginning and still got played. It kinda reminded of last season when he acted surprised when known scheming scumbag Carmilla turned on him.

Deleted member 43 · Mar 7, 2020

MonadL said:
Hector doing it wasn't what annoyed me. Not much you can really do when surrounded by a bunch of vampires that are ten times stronger than you. It was him acting surprised a person he already suspected was going to pull some fuckery, did in fact pulled some fuckery. Like he called it from the beginning and still got played. It kinda reminded of last season when he acted surprised when known scheming scumbag Carmilla turned on him.

It's essentially a form of Stockholm Syndrome. You can't expect a person who has been through what he has to make perfectly rational decisions.

Kalentan · Mar 7, 2020

Matt said:
It's essentially a form of Stockholm Syndrome. You can't expect a person who has been through what he has to make perfectly rational decisions.

I sometimes think that people believe that if characters don't act perfectly rational that it's bad writing.

Buckle · Mar 7, 2020

Is it weird that the thing I'm looking forward to the most next season is

Lenore and Hector's fucked up domestic situation?

I want to see how that relationship plays out.

Tavernade · Mar 7, 2020

The biggest missing piece in this series is the lack of Death, but at the same time I have NO IDEA how they'd actually integrate him into the narrative. The fun of him in the games was fighting him every time and seeing how he changed and how much he'd kick your ass. Having the literal Grim Reaper show up in the show would be a little insane.

Officer Big Mac said:
Lenore speculation

was it ever said they wear the rings willingly? It seems odd to have 5 vampire women coexist peacefully and of their own free will. Whatever mutual interest they may have shared when donning the rings for the first time might not be as appealing to Lenore as it once was. She may feel for Hector but her objective could be to dominate the other 4 or to break her bond with them.

I genuinely thought Lenore made up the rings entirely, and no one actually wore them until she gave them. She lied to Hector about them just being a symbolic thing, it was the first time anyone had worn them.

I do think it's likely that with her being the 'master' and everyone else sharing she will be able to start some sort of coupe, but I rather like all of these vampire ladies so I kind of hope they make it through this alive.

Necromanti said:
I get it, but I really feel like the writing didn't justify it well enough for me.

They were being oddly friendly and playful from the start, which felt like a stark contrast of what I would have expected after what they went through. They were suspiciously unsuspicious of Alucard, but I guess that made sense when they aggrandized him. But they also seemed to have no personal boundaries and had no issue demanding Alucard cooked more often for them.

Anyway, all that is irrelevant, I guess. I guess I would have expected them to be more grateful because of their history of being betrayed and finally meeting someone who didn't do so. I guess it just didn't really feel earned for me, or that the execution was really lacking and no longer made them seem like characters you should feel sorry for. I feel like there are other ways it could have bee approached without making them seem so annoying.

The explanation made sense to me, but the writing leading up to it never hinted at it, which made it... just kinda dumb.

FF Seraphim said:
So question about the enemies:

Are those angel creatures suppose to be Snipers of Goth? Or some new thing?

I don't think so? They look super familiar though.

I swear I fought one of those as a boss in one of the GBA/DS games, and then it showed up again as a regular enemy in a later entry, but I can't find it on any of the Castlevania wiki's Beastiarys.

Haee said:
Soo.....

Is anyone going to talk about that old lady that Isaac met before the battle against Legion? Is she just a original character or an adaptation? Why does she have some kind of magic powers there? At first I thought it was Death disguised as a old woman, with the whole village being abandoned and shit, before the reveal that it was Legion's making that made the village abandoned.

Aside from that really liked this more methodical and slow approach to this season. Almost with the same high highs from Season 2.

So glad to see an cameo from Dracula, can't wait for him to make his return, such a good character.

Yeah I have no idea what's up with that old lady. It's really weird, because she serves a purpose in the story so it's not like she's just there for no reason, but there's just something very unsettling about her entire existence.

carlsojo said:
Sypha is the coolest fucking person ever.

Fucking truth. She put Iron Man to shame a few times.

HStallion said:
Some people are just really gullible.

To be honest it wouldn't have worked on me because I:

A. Do not have the self confidence required for me to have believed she wanted to have sex.
B. I would have pretty much given her whatever she wanted after the first meeting anyways. She's cute and seemed nice and there's pretty much no upside to fighting her, they need him to be loyal after all.

Kalentan said:
Re: Judge

Seriously, though, did he really think they wouldn't look?

Rosé Fighter · Mar 7, 2020

So that old lady, I think she's there

to show Isaac that the path of a forgemaster doesn't have to be one of destruction. She is sympathetic in the sense that if, what she says is true, she was too weak to fight against the Magician, and her asking Isaac to free her neighbors and fellow people is a case of mercy for them. Isaac probably sees that he doesn't have to keep killing, he simply has to find the right place to be.

Mashing · Mar 7, 2020

Only 4 episodes in and man, Sypha is just such a great character. (pretty sure I say this every season, but I can't help it she's just so well written).

Deleted member 11637 · Mar 7, 2020

6 episodes in, and while I agree that this season feels like a lot of "filler", my favorite moments so far have been the lengthy Isaac scenes that capped off two episodes. When this show allows itself to drop the edgelord comedy, it does some great work exploring the ramifications of living in a world in which Hell and demons exist, and Isaac brings a unique and earned perspective to it all through his history with Dracula. It has a real Berzerk vibe in its best moments.

Tavernade · Mar 7, 2020

Channel5News said:
6 episodes in, and while I agree that this season feels like a lot of "filler", my favorite moments so far have been the lengthy Isaac scenes that capped off two episodes. When this show allows itself to drop the edgelord comedy, it does some great work exploring the ramifications of living in a world in which Hell and demons exist, and Isaac brings a unique and earned perspective to it all through his history with Dracula. It has a real Berzerk vibe in its best moments.

This is one of my favorite things about the show.

The scene where Isaac speaks to the demon that was once a philosopher is, to me, the best moment of the entire series AND the one that totally reinterprets a vast majority of what we're actually seeing with the monsters.

FaceHugger · Mar 7, 2020

I was surprised at how it picked up, I was expecting the narrative to

leap greatly into the future, or at least be focusing on other characters

I love how the animation is reminiscent of 80's and 90's anime, especially the faces. I feel like it's a little heavier in that direction than the previous season. Subtle, but noticeable. Or maybe I'm just crazy, I dunno.

Kalentan · Mar 7, 2020

What's great about Sypha (other than her writing) is that she's basically the Avatar from TLA but if you put their powers through a rated R filter.

You don't often see magic shown to be so gory. It's nearly always clean kills in a lot of franchises imho.

TheAvatar · Mar 7, 2020

I'm just gonna say I didn't like this season, it felt like nothing happened and nothing progressed, we are in the same spot we were in at the end of last season, it was larger scale but pointless in the end

Kalentan · Mar 7, 2020

TheAvatar said:
I'm just gonna say I didn't like this season, it felt like nothing happened and nothing progressed, we are in the same spot we were in at the end of last season, it was larger scale but pointless in the end

I mean character wise that couldn't be further from the truth. Sure it didn't progress the "plot" but it did a lot of character work.

I mean just Sypha alone. She's an incredibly powerful person and in the month following Dracula she and Trevor have been merrily killing demons and making jokes of it. After all they defeated the big bad! Why wouldn't she feel great? This season brings her down to Trevor's level and now you understand why he is how he is. Season 4 is going to start out with a very different Sypha, one that wouldn't make sense coming off the heels of S2 without S3 happening.

Rivenblade · Mar 7, 2020

Two episodes in. This is certainly different. Not much movement yet, but I'm enjoying it enough, and the art direction is as gorgeous as ever.

yap · Mar 7, 2020

HStallion said:
Maybe its just me but can we say the stand out scene of the season wasn't an action one or some lore reference or dirty joke but the scene in episode 6 between Isaac and the "scholar" around the campfire? Maybe it was the series of events surrounding Isaac leading up that discussion or the the voice of the demon but something about that scene was so deeply haunting. Damn that scene gave me chills!

Really fucking great scene, and highlights just how good the voice direction for this series is.

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