Very shocking news. So sad that she felt the need to take her own life after being vilified by social media and the press.
This didn't help either
Very shocking news. So sad that she felt the need to take her own life after being vilified by social media and the press.
Can we have info in the OP of who this person was, or some kind of context, or something?
Yup, that kind of relationship is still predatory even if it isn't illegal. It was predatory when Seinfield did it, it was predatory when Paul Walker did it, it was predatory when she did it too.To be fair, the law does not equal morality. In the US, you can walk around yelling slurs and it's totally legal. A person could groom a child and have sex with them the minute they hit legal age and that may not be illegal either. We only look to the law to tell us society's base expectation of not being sent through the judicial system, not to decide what it right or wrong.
Would you say the same about a 16 year old girl? Again, you can mourn her death without hand-waving predatory relationships between teenagers and adults twice their age.
He was 17.Yup, that kind of relationship is still predatory even if it isn't illegal. It was predatory when Seinfield did it, it was predatory when Paul Walker did it, it was predatory when she did it too.
This is still horrible and tragic, and the way the garbage British tabloids treated her is abhorrent. Much like with Kobe you don't need to whitewash her poor behavior to mourn her passing. She clearly needed help, not constant villification.
Would you say the same about a 16 year old girl? Again, you can mourn her death without hand-waving predatory relationships between teenagers and adults twice their age.
The abuse should never happen.Yeah that was a shitty joke and he deserves to feel as bad as I'm sure he does right now. At the same time though he is now getting abuse and hate on Twitter instead, what if he goes and does the same?
Right so you do want to handwave predatory relationships between teenagers and adults twice their age, got it.He was 17.
He was a hot shit pop star who told everyone and made it clear in interviews that he wanted her.
Right so you do want to handwave predatory relationships between teenagers and adults twice their age, got it.
I want to have a discussion, you want to be a dick.Right so you do want to handwave predatory relationships between teenagers and adults twice their age, got it.
Ignore list getting warm today.You might want to do this in another thread, not one about someone that has just died.
The reality is if reports are true it was a bad assault and he was begging for help on the phone. All this would of come out at trial. And if you rely on the media to make you a living it is not surprising that the same people can not take it when it is taken away.
it is a bit like a baby and breast feeding. That breast is its life. Same with these sort of celebrities. Positive media is their breast
Fair enough. FWIW this is extremely horrible and I'm saddened by her suicide. As someone who has struggled with suicidal ideation, I understand the pain. I was also groomed and abused as a teenager so it bothers me to see people brush off predatory relationships, even if the context is someone's death.You might want to do this in another thread, not in one about someone that has just died.
I'm sorry, but saying "he wanted it" is not a good answer, it's not having a discussion, and it is hand waving the predatory nature of that kind of relationship.I want to have a discussion, you want to be a dick.
You win, you get to be a dick.
it is a bit like a baby and breast feeding. That breast is its life. Same with these sort of celebrities. Positive media is their breast
How about a mentally unstable women being preyed on by a mentally stable young man?Fair enough. FWIW this is extremely horrible and I'm saddened by her suicide. As someone who has struggled with suicidal ideation, I understand the pain. I was also groomed and abused as a teenager so it bothers me to see people brush off predatory relationships, even if the context is someone's death.
I'm sorry, but saying "he wanted it" is not a good answer, it's not having a discussion, and it is hand waving the predatory nature of that kind of relationship.
Either way her death is still sad but I don't understand why you feel the need to downplay the fact that people 30+ dating high school aged teenagers is inherently predatory.
Yeah no shit. Preach to the converted.To be fair, the law does not equal morality. In the US, you can walk around yelling slurs and it's totally legal. A person could groom a child and have sex with them the minute they hit legal age and that may not be illegal either. We only look to the law to tell us society's base expectation of not being sent through the judicial system, not to decide what it right or wrong.
Er...he preyed upon her how exactly?How about a mentally unstable women being preyed on by a mentally stable young man?
All the info came from the papers.
You using that and crusading against me is pathetic.
Dick on King dick, it's not like somebody died, someone who was judged and killed themselves.
Ignore list.
So because she was double his age she's a predator ? Come on. What ever you think it was still legal in this country. Give it a rest the women's dead !Yup, that kind of relationship is still predatory even if it isn't illegal. It was predatory when Seinfield did it, it was predatory when Paul Walker did it, it was predatory when she did it too.
This is still horrible and tragic, and the way the garbage British tabloids treated her is abhorrent. Much like with Kobe you don't need to whitewash her poor behavior to mourn her passing. She clearly needed help, not constant villification.
Would you say the same about a 16 year old girl? Again, you can mourn her death without hand-waving predatory relationships between teenagers and adults twice their age.
Seriously? What is wrong with you?
This isn't really the time or place to have that discussion but yes.
One day the red tops will be held responsible for the shite they spew, but I doubt it.
What do you expect for 55p? You get tons more value at Poundland.I remember her from When Games Attack with dah gawd Dominic Diamond on Bravo. Gone too soon :(
Only when their braindead readership demands they uphold a modicum of journalistic integrity. So never.
I remember that show!I remember her from When Games Attack with dah gawd Dominic Diamond on Bravo. Gone too soon :(
Only when their braindead readership demands they uphold a modicum of journalistic integrity. So never.
She wasn't a pedophile, he was 16. Frown upon it for sure but legally she did nothing wrong.
Two sides to every story with regards to the lamp incident. We have no idea if she was suffering psychological abuse from her partner or whatever leading up to the incident. It doesn't make it ok, and I know I'd be less fair if it were the other way around, but yeah.
At the end of the day, to go as far as to commit suicide she must have been deeply troubled, and it's therefore worth keeping her actions in that context.