Captain Marvel Review Thread | 79% Rotten Tomatoes

Loxley · Mar 5, 2019

Sounds like it'll be Ant-Man/Doctor Strange levels of "perfectly enjoyable" but not top-tier Marvel.

Chris McQueen said:
I honestly do not like the placing of this movie sandwiched between Infinity War & Endgame. Anyone else feel this way?

It's certainly a bit jarring. The idea of suddenly rushing in and introducing a completely new character who's never even been mentioned in the MCU before just so she can come in and help save the day against Thanos feels a bit cheap. Ideally it would have been more worthwhile if we'd gotten this back in Phase 2 or even Phase 1. The character deserved a lot more build-up if her role against Thanos is going to be what everyone is guessing it will be.

Ah well, for all I know once I see the movie it'll work just fine.

BigWinnie1 · Mar 5, 2019

Smokeymicpot said:
"Captain Marvel" is a bore that's entirely devoid of creativity and heart. Needless to say, but there are far too many Marvel movies.

Me, My Girl and her friends got in to see it and We all came out saying the same thing about this movie that we said about Ant-Man 2, that its a watchable movie but if it came on cable I would change the channel.

JayCB64 · Mar 5, 2019

HotHamBoy said:
91% RT score but most of the reviews are middling.

This is why the RT score is useless.

Why do we care about RT%? Why do we keep posting them and placing importance on them?

The content of the reviews is much more in line with what i expected from the trailers than the RT score would suggest.

I put forth the motion that from now on the titles of movie OTs and review threads post the Metacritic score INSTEAD of the RT score.

Metacritic only put a few dozen scores up, so they are useless.

StrangerDanger · Mar 5, 2019

HotHamBoy said:
91% RT score but most of the reviews are middling.

This is why the RT score is useless.

Why do we care about RT%? Why do we keep posting them and placing importance on them?

I put forth the motion that from now on the titles of movie OTs and review threads post the Metacritic score INSTEAD of the RT score.

RT score just measures if its fresh or not, nothing on quality of a given movie and people keeping forgetting that, literally using RT score like they would with IMDB.
I agree, i would go Metacritic, then IMDB then RT

PhilosopherDirtBike · Mar 5, 2019

I prefer RT over MC because it's a more dynamic scale. Most movies end up between 45-75 on MC and it becomes hard to differentiate scores when so many fall in such a narrow window. Using the RT % plus the average score gives you way more info imo.

Also whatever algorithm MC uses gives waaaay too much power to outlier scores. Idk why they don't just use a simple average.

ZeoVGM · Mar 5, 2019

Brinbe said:
Seems like the feedback matches the feel from the trailers. I think the metacritic score will be more meaningful here. 91% of people rating it as a 7/10 doesn't mean much. It's rather misleading. In fact, it's sitting @ 68 on MC, which is probably more representative of the quality of the movie based on those blurbs.
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/captain-marvel

So not bad, but not too great or exciting either. Will give it a watch Thursday or Friday.

You know what else sits at about 68 on Metacritic?

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-avengers-2012 - 69
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/avengers-age-of-ultron - 66
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/avengers-infinity-war - 68

This is actually why I like RottenTomatoes more. I believe that generally, the RT percentage, based on a "it's worth seeing/it's not worth seeing" system, is more telling of how general audiences will end up feeling about a film.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marvels_the_avengers - 92%
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avengers_age_of_ultron - 75%
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avengers_infinity_war - 85%

The vast majority of people would not consider Age of Ultron to be on a similar level to the original Avengers or Infinity War, nor would most people consider Avengers or Infinity War to be a high-60s average film.

It's clearly not an exact science but I've found in most cases, the RT percentage lines up with audiences more than the average on Metacritic.

Bonefish · Mar 5, 2019

JayCB said:
Metacritic only put a few dozen scores up, so they are useless.

There's a reason RT has a separate top critic section and most of those show up in MC.

Mitch · Mar 5, 2019

Hell yeah! Early Saturday showing. Can't wait.

Garlador · Mar 5, 2019

Manmademan said:
Also true. Expectations for the MCU have gotten so high that we forget just how flawed OTHER similar movies typically are in comparison.

Thor 2's worst crime is being only slightly better than average, but the way it's talked about you'd think it was Ghost Rider 2, Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern, Xmen: Apocalypse, Batman and Robin, F4ntastic, Swamp Thing 2, The Spirit, Barb Wire, Superman IV, or Wolverine Origins.

That "abysmal" tier just doesnt exist in the MCU.

Yeah, that's how I feel. Marvel has skewed the quality curve WAY higher than it used to be. I mean, good grief, I paid good money in the 90s to see Spawn, Steel, and Judge Dredd.

Even the very worst of modern Marvel (and I haven't seen Captain Marvel yet to make that call) would stand head-and-shoulders over the majority of "passable" comic book movies I grew up with. Even ones I LIKED.

Perspective is a helluva thing.

Manmademan · Mar 5, 2019

HotHamBoy said:
91% RT score but most of the reviews are middling.

This is why the RT score is useless.

Why do we care about RT%? Why do we keep posting them and placing importance on them?

I put forth the motion that from now on the titles of movie OTs and review threads post the Metacritic score INSTEAD of the RT score.

One isn't really more useful than the other. The RT tells you 91% of critics so far thought it was worth watching. Though how worth watching can vary. Its not dissimilar from the old siskel and ebert thumbs up and thumbs down. People get that not all thumbs up are created equal. Titanic got two thumbs up. So did Speed 2: Cruise Control. No one in their right mind thinks they were intended to be equally good, just enjoyable on their own terms.

You overrate the usefulness of a metacritic ranking. A 68/100 can sound awful...until someone explains that this is exactly what infinity war got, the blockbuster that broke 2 billion last year. Or that comic book films rarely do much better than 70/100 on Metacritic in general.

You cant get that context in a headline, but without it your responses will be as wildly reactionary as the RT score if not worse.

plié · Mar 5, 2019

Never been hyped for a marvel movie, but this has me all giddy.

There are too many comic book movies in my opinion. They are the laziest form of cinema I can think of.

HotHamBoy · Mar 5, 2019

ZeoVGM said:
You know what else sits at about 68 on Metacritic?

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-avengers-2012 - 69
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/avengers-age-of-ultron - 66
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/avengers-infinity-war - 68

This is actually why I like RottenTomatoes more. I believe that generally, the RT percentage, based on a "it's worth seeing/it's not worth seeing" system, is more telling of how general audiences will end up feeling about a film.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marvels_the_avengers - 92%
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avengers_age_of_ultron - 75%
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avengers_infinity_war - 85%

The vast majority of people would not consider Age of Ultron to be on a similar level to the original Avengers or Infinity War, nor would most people consider Avengers or Infinity War to be a high-60s average film.

It's clearly not an exact science but I've found in most cases, the RT percentage lines up with audiences more than the average on Metacritic.

Man, but I sure have seen a ton of not good movies that managed an 80% or above

The thing I think really bugs me is that people trot out RT scores in defense of criticisms. They do it on this forum all the time.

Ichi · Mar 5, 2019

ouch.

basically, Carol is a boring character. Not larger than life like her other Avengers...

Movie is basically been there, done that Marvel movie which we have seen 20+ times in the last 10 years...

disappointed that this isn't really anything special, by the sound of it.

and lol @RT being at 91% but the reviews sound more like it's a 60% - above average was just okay nothing special film. I'd argue it's even closer to 50%.

I do know that RT editors are the ones who take a review and relegate a fresh rating on it or not, but wow is RT in Marvel's pockets?

HotHamBoy · Mar 5, 2019

Ichi said:
ouch.

basically, Carol is a boring character. Not larger than life like her other Avengers...

Movie is basically been there, done that Marvel movie which we have seen 20+ times in the last 10 years...

disappointed that this isn't really anything special, by the sound of it.

and lol @RT being at 91% but the reviews sound more like it's a 60% - above average was just okay nothing special film. I'd argue it's even closer to 50%.

I do know that RT editors are the ones who take a review and relegate a fresh rating on it or not, but wow is RT in Marvel's pockets?

No, it's a C+ movie from the sound of it. If every critic gave it a C+ it would be at 100%. That's just how it works.

100% suggests a must-see but is a C+ movie a must-see just because everyone agreed it wasn't terrible?

Deleted member 18951 · Mar 5, 2019

Looking forward to seeing it this weekend!

JayCB64 · Mar 5, 2019

Bonefish said:
There's a reason RT has a separate top critic section and most of those show up in MC.

Seems to me you get a better idea of quality if you take from a wide spectrum of types of reviewer, but hey I guess that's just me.

And the masses who use RT over Metacritic.

Pandora012 · Mar 5, 2019

Ichi said:
ouch.

basically, Carol is a boring character. Not larger than life like her other Avengers...

Movie is basically been there, done that Marvel movie which we have seen 20+ times in the last 10 years...

disappointed that this isn't really anything special, by the sound of it.

and lol @RT being at 91% but the reviews sound more like it's a 60% - above average was just okay nothing special film. I'd argue it's even closer to 50%.

I do know that RT editors are the ones who take a review and relegate a fresh rating on it or not, but wow is RT in Marvel's pockets?

Gonna watch it this week, but i would have hoped they'd fix how boring she is in the comics for the movie. Ill say that since it's just an origin, she might become more interesting later on. Like in endgame.

HotHamBoy · Mar 5, 2019

JayCB said:
Seems to me you get a better idea of quality if you take from a wide spectrum of types of reviewer, but hey I guess that's just me.

And the masses who use RT over Metacritic.

Like the wide spectrum that review-bombed the film?

I've actually heard the best thing to do is just find one or two critics who you really like and who's tastes line up with your own and just ignore everyone else.

BWoog · Mar 5, 2019

plié said:
They are the laziest form of cinema I can think of.

I really don't agree with this, especially when it comes to Marvel movies.

Do you know how difficult it was to actually create the MCU and make it popular?

It should be apparent because no other studio can do it properly.

Avitus · Mar 5, 2019

Did RT get rid of their out of 10 rating system?

Sax · Mar 5, 2019

Spartancarver said:
I love MCU movies and am not a basement-dwelling MRA so I will probably enjoy this 👍🏽

Pretty much where I'm at! =D

Laserdisk · Mar 5, 2019

I'm looking forward to it

ZeoVGM · Mar 5, 2019

HotHamBoy said:
Man, but I sure have seen a ton of not good movies that managed an 80% or above

The thing I think really bugs me is that people trot out RT scores in defense of criticisms. They do it on this forum all the time.

Well, people on forums often get to be a bit hyperbolic. I'd say that if someone says Doctor Strange is "trash," which is an opinion i've seen around here often, it's not unfair to point out the RT percentage. Critics enjoyed it and audiences did as well. But a 91% doesn't mean it's an incredibly movie from top to bottom.

ZeoVGM · Mar 5, 2019

plié said:
Never been hyped for a marvel movie, but this has me all giddy.

Well hey, that's usually all it takes. There are plenty of people who aren't interested as a whole but might be interested in one film or superhero.

They are the laziest form of cinema I can think of.

No offense, but this is completely ignorant.

TheMango55 · Mar 5, 2019

Funny to see the people longing for Marvel's first flop cherry pick quotes out of positive reviews, while inside they are like

DaniThePinguim · Mar 5, 2019

I guess we are really over origin stories. Doc Strange was pretty underwhelming too but ended up really great in IW. Black Panther really benefited by being introduced in Civil War.

Neece · Mar 5, 2019

Ichi said:
I do know that RT editors are the ones who take a review and relegate a fresh rating on it or not, but wow is RT in Marvel's pockets?

A reviewer can submit whether they are rating the review fresh or rotten.

And wouldn't WB be in their pockets considering they own RT?

HotHamBoy · Mar 5, 2019

ZeoVGM said:
Well, people on forums often get to be a bit hyperbolic. I'd say that if someone says Doctor Strange is "trash," which is an opinion i've seen around here often, it's not unfair to point out the RT percentage. Critics enjoyed it and audiences did as well. But a 91% doesn't mean it's an incredibly movie from top to bottom.

Yes but i think using RT scores in thread titles is counter-productive to honest discussion.

DaniThePinguim said:
I guess we are really over origin stories. Doc Strange was pretty underwhelming too but ended up really great in IW. Black Panther really benefited by being introduced in Civil War.

Hey, Spider-Verse was an origin story.

It's like saying women can't be lead action heroes. That's bullshit. It's all about the writing, not the genre or subgenre or the sex or race or sexuality of the characters.

Speely · Mar 5, 2019

DaniThePinguim said:
I guess we are really over origin stories. Doc Strange was pretty underwhelming too but ended up really great in IW. Black Panther really benefited by being introduced in Civil War.

Movie reviewers are famously out of touch in regard to comic book films. See Infinity War's 68 on MC.

Joeytj · Mar 5, 2019

Anaron said:
Her tweet is completely idiotic.

The same thing applies to Wonder Woman and it managed to be incredibly well received by critics, male and female.

It's not idiotic, and I suggest you look at the thread. And again, Captain Marvel is being well-recieved, with some mixed reviews and some negative. But Robinson explains what makes Captain Marvel different as well.

You just seemed to like to throw the word "idiotic" at her.

Imm0ralKnight · Mar 5, 2019

Avitus said:
Did RT get rid of their out of 10 rating system?

I was wondering why that was missing.

Joeytj · Mar 5, 2019

Smokeymicpot said:
"Captain Marvel" is a bore that's entirely devoid of creativity and heart. Needless to say, but there are far too many Marvel movies.

Ah, the NY Post. Of course.

Since the overall consensus and the RT score is not going their way, the MRA folks are going to do their best to jank out the worst reviews and worst parts to shape the narrative to their favor.

Wingfan19 · Mar 5, 2019

Avitus said:
Did RT get rid of their out of 10 rating system?

Imm0ralKnight said:
I was wondering why that was missing.

You need to click the "More Info" button below the RT score to see the x/10 and top critic scores.

ZeoVGM · Mar 5, 2019

Ichi said:
but wow is RT in Marvel's pockets?

lmfao

JayCB64 · Mar 5, 2019

HotHamBoy said:
Like the wide spectrum that review-bombed the film?

No, like people whose profession is to review and attend screeners for movies.

Avitus · Mar 5, 2019

Imm0ralKnight said:
I was wondering why that was missing.

It's hidden under 'more info' now, 7.11/10

so, passable

Fj0823 · Mar 5, 2019

TheMango55 said:
Funny to see the people longing for Marvel's first flop cherry pick quotes out of positive reviews, while inside they are like

Funny indeed

HotHamBoy · Mar 5, 2019

JayCB said:
No, like people whose profession is to review and attend screeners for movies.

You realize that includes hundreds of shitty blog writers, right?

DaniThePinguim · Mar 5, 2019

HotHamBoy said:
Yes but i think using RT scores in thread titles is counter-productive to honest discussion.

Hey, Spider-Verse was an origin story.

It's like saying women can't be lead action heroes. That's bullshit. It's all about the writing, not the genre or subgenre or the sex or race or sexuality of the characters.

I mean more in regards to the MCU. Endgame right there didn't help probably too.

HotHamBoy · Mar 5, 2019

DaniThePinguim said:
I mean more in regards to the MCU. Endgame right there didn't help probably too.

There's just not many good origin MCU films. I like Iron Man and First Avenger and that's about it.

Smokeymicpot · Mar 5, 2019

Joeytj said:
Ah, the NY Post. Of course.

Since the overall consensus and the RT score is not going their way, the MRA folks are going to do their best to jank out the worst reviews and worst parts to shape the narrative to their favor.

Maybe he just didn't like the movie? The review was put up at 9am exact time the embargo was lifted.

Deleted member 38573 · Mar 5, 2019

TheMango55 said:
Funny to see the people longing for Marvel's first flop cherry pick quotes out of positive reviews, while inside they are like

that's just your imagination broski

at this point, if you liked the previous entries you're gonna want to see the others. they've got a good group of executives that know how to handle a popcorn flick

Joeytj · Mar 5, 2019

ZeoVGM said:
You know what else sits at about 68 on Metacritic?

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-avengers-2012 - 69
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/avengers-age-of-ultron - 66
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/avengers-infinity-war - 68

This is actually why I like RottenTomatoes more. I believe that generally, the RT percentage, based on a "it's worth seeing/it's not worth seeing" system, is more telling of how general audiences will end up feeling about a film.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marvels_the_avengers - 92%
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avengers_age_of_ultron - 75%
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avengers_infinity_war - 85%

The vast majority of people would not consider Age of Ultron to be on a similar level to the original Avengers or Infinity War, nor would most people consider Avengers or Infinity War to be a high-60s average film.

It's clearly not an exact science but I've found in most cases, the RT percentage lines up with audiences more than the average on Metacritic.

I agree completely. At least when it comes to Marvel movies, RT score is a better indicator of enjoyment for general audiences than Metacritic.

DaniThePinguim · Mar 5, 2019

HotHamBoy said:
There's just not many good origin MCU films. I like Iron Man and First Avenger and that's about it.

I think it can break the momentum of the last movies. Maybe the movie did need to launch before IW and a lot of underwhelmed impressions are more about contrast, I dunno. And yes, Marvel origin movies feel more like obligations to introduce the characters sometimes.

Bonefish · Mar 5, 2019

So we are officially separating "audience enjoyment" and actual criticism just to make these movies look better in the eyes of their fans?

HotHamBoy · Mar 5, 2019

DaniThePinguim said:
I think it can break the momentum of the last movies. Maybe the movie did need to launch before IW and a lot of underwhelmed impressions are more about contrast, I dunno. And yes, Marvel origin movies feel more like obligations to introduce the characters sometimes.

I'm pretty sure Ant-Man and the Wasp killed the momentum already.

Ichi · Mar 5, 2019

HotHamBoy said:
There's just not many good origin MCU films. I like Iron Man and First Avenger and that's about it.

hmmm Cap 1 was nice, too. Felt like Spidey 1 was good, too. Thor 1 was bad, Panther was forgettable, Guardians was nice. Strange was forgettable, Ant-Man was forgettable.

Puck Beaverton · Mar 5, 2019

Captain Marvel was made for the fans it's not supposed to be good

Jombie · Mar 5, 2019

HotHamBoy said:
91% RT score but most of the reviews are middling.

This is why the RT score is useless.

Why do we care about RT%? Why do we keep posting them and placing importance on them? Posters will even say "oh, well you need to look at the critics' average to get the real picture" but we still use the fresh-o-meter like it means shit all.

The content of the reviews is much more in line with what i expected from the trailers than the RT score would suggest.

I put forth the motion that from now on the titles of movie OTs and review threads post the Metacritic score INSTEAD of the RT score.

The Metacritic score is 67, btw.

RT is often just more flattering to look at.

Violet · Mar 5, 2019

Matrix Revolutions? Folks, it's for the fans, not supposed to be good. Please direct criticism somewhere else

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