That Ethan is not much of a character seems to be part of the design. RE7 was a lot about immersion after all.
I'm curious if this will change with RE8, it's already surprising to hear the villain refer to him by name
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Capcom needs to include more women protagonists in Resident Evil sequels
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I'm curious if this will change with RE8, it's already surprising to hear the villain refer to him by name
I thought she was just a researcher in connections no? Was she part of the umbrella paramilitary?
Ah, I vaguely recall this now.
Ah yeah, that's what I thought you were talking about, but knew the timeline was off since Piers and Chris wouldn't know each other.
Jill needs to lead another game, and Ada needs one. These two are amazing and deserve more. T_T
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This part of the e-mail is something I really hope Capcom doesn't use in their future treatment of women in the series.That's not proof of anything, lol. Don't be so desperate.
E-Mail from Piers to Claire
E-Mail from Piers to Claire is a file in Resident Evil Revelations 2. Unlocked when the Buggin' Out (Episode Three) record is acquired. (Find all of the insect larvae in Episode Three.) Tada, Takuji, ed (2015). BIOHAZARD REVELATIONS 2 ULTIMANIA. Square Enix.residentevil.fandom.com
she sseemed to be part of the team escorting ......girl..... (brainfart) for disposal(?)
It's worse to me with Nemesis because his literal existence and sole purpose is to kill STARS members so there should absolutely no reason whatsoever why doesn't kill you as soon as possible. Like he dead set has his first around your skull at least once which is what the end goal of what him chasing you is in the first place so it's absolutely stupid that he just throws you away so you can run again. There's no reason for them to out instances like that in the game, it doesn't make any sense.
He's also definitely a complete failure gameplay wise in the game. Not scary whatosever and might as well not exist outside of cutscenes and set pieces. His final form as the last boss is an absolute joke too.
It'll be one of the biggest wastes I cannot think of if they don't after RE3R.
I don't care much about that stuff but I can understand your reasoning.
But I must say I did like his final form, and the boss fight. Indeed, the boss fights in REmake 3 were quite excellent I found.
I really hope the soft reboot of the series we've been getting through the remakes means we'll get continuations from where they left off. (Give me another good game with Jill.) Expunge RE6/CV from the current canon.
Do we even know Ethan's background? He's the clearest outlier out of all the playable characters in the series (other than Claire/Leon in RE2) in terms of combat training.
She was at the very least highly trained to handle any crises as Evie's handler.
Do we even know Ethan's background? He's the clearest outlier out of all the playable characters in the series (other than Claire/Leon in RE2) in terms of combat training.
You play as Mia on the tanker level, both in the modern day and in a flashback sequence.
I can't believe Sheva hasn't been back yet. She was awesome.
I'd like new characters to but having characters like her return is important.
I'd like new characters to but having characters like her return is important.
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My point wasn't to just have them as playable characters. RE4 was Leon's story; RE5 was Chris' story; RE6 was all about Chris, Leon, and Jake, with a weird Ada story added.
Since Resident Evil 3: Nemesis, there have been no mainline sequels (as only the numbered games seem to be considered that) with women as protagonists of the story.
Are people really pretending that Sheva, Helena and even Sherry were main characters in their respective games or that Revelations are mainline games? Chris is the protagonist in RE5, Sheva is just his sidekick. Same goes for RE6's LEON and JAKE campaigns. And as for Revelations, the stories may be canon but they're B tier spinoffs, both made with budgets that're dwarfed by the mainline games. The reality is that the mainline RE series has revolved around Leon and Chris basically since RE4, with a detour over to fellow white dude, Ethan, for RE7 and RE8.
Chris is way more popular than Claire, unfortunately.
I think you're selling RE6 a little short there, OP. Helena was basically a tagalong partner for Leon, but Sherry and Ada were pretty important. The Revelations titles also both had female leads. And while those aren't mainline titles, they were actually better than the mainline titles at the time.
Ethan in RE7 barely counts as anything because you may as well forget he exists. Mia is more of a star than him, as is Zoe. RE8 seems to be a different story, but we'll see how he's handled there.
I'm all for women protagonists. Resident Evil in particular has two of my favorites in all of gaming with Jill and Claire. But I do think they've been pretty well represented thus far.
There is something... curious about the RE franchise that in same ways you could argue it has always promoted female characters. In RE1 and RE2, for example, there is a quite neat balance between the two leads, even if I think RE1 is slightly geared towards Chris and RE2 is very slightly geared towards Leon. And then you have RE3 which has a female protagonist. And in all other games, you had some sort of "strong" female character which were often playable. Ada in RE4, Sheva in RE5, Helena and Sherry in RE6 and Mia in RE7.
Yet they all seems to get the short end of the stick, always been secundary. More of a passenger rather than the driver if that makes any sense.
There's so much ambiguous defining of importance and non-importance of a character's appearances in this thread.
Almost every female character in RE plays some kind of important role, whether it's to advance the plot or support a gameplay design of some sort. It doesn't necessarily have to be defined by gameplay time or number of appearances, and we're at the point where we shouldn't be disqualifying something because it's a remake or a non-numbered title.
Almost every female character in RE plays some kind of important role, whether it's to advance the plot or support a gameplay design of some sort. It doesn't necessarily have to be defined by gameplay time or number of appearances, and we're at the point where we shouldn't be disqualifying something because it's a remake or a non-numbered title.
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As LiquidSolid says above your post, despite the quality of the spin-offs, they're still spin-offs and don't get highlighted as much as the mainline series. There's an argument here to make good and well-written mainline games with women as protagonists. Including women of color.
I think you can say it's because stories after RE3 in the mainline series have been centered around the men, with women being secondary characters even when they're playable. And when you get a woman with more characterization than the main playable character in RE7, she's basically a damsel in distress. Including Zoe in the "End of Zoe" DLC.
Revelations 1 maybe, but I remember Revelations 2 being treated with importance including tons of marketing and magazine covers, due to it focusing on Claire and Barry after RE 6. It was a legitimate continuation of the series, regardless of subtitle.
Edit: G.I. literally hinted at it being 'Resident Evil 7' before the actual 7 came out
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I'm not denying these games are good or that they didn't get a good reception. Sure, Rev2 had more budget and got exposure. Now, compare that with how much exposure RE7 got since its first demo (when it was revealed during an E3 press conference). Even Capcom said back when Revelations 2 was announced that the mainline series was meant for a wider audience.Revelations 1 maybe, but I remember Revelations 2 being treated with importance including tons of marketing and magazine covers, due to it focusing on Claire and Barry after RE 6. It was a legitimate continuation of the series, regardless of subtitle.
Edit: G.I. literally hinted at it being 'Resident Evil 7' before the actual 7 came out
Also, GI didn't call Rev2 RE7. They were talking about the future of RE7, meaning details about when/if it would happen.
Like I implied earlier, what Capcom would need to get over is the Logan's Run problem some Japanese franchises seem to have with heroines in particular -- male characters are allowed to get old onscreen but women aren't.
RE characters are confirmed to age in real time. In-canon it's been 23 years since RE1. Chris' hair in RE8 is already getting a bit grey. It felt like Capcom was already pushing the envelope by having 32-year-old Claire star in a spin-off, and that was six years ago. I think Ada is like 40 in RE6. Is Capcom gonna be able to cross that rubicon with Claire and Jill? I wouldn't be surprised if they took the easy way out with Jill and her bioweapon implants from RE5 or whatever. They already did that with Sherry in RE6.
RE characters are confirmed to age in real time. In-canon it's been 23 years since RE1. Chris' hair in RE8 is already getting a bit grey. It felt like Capcom was already pushing the envelope by having 32-year-old Claire star in a spin-off, and that was six years ago. I think Ada is like 40 in RE6. Is Capcom gonna be able to cross that rubicon with Claire and Jill? I wouldn't be surprised if they took the easy way out with Jill and her bioweapon implants from RE5 or whatever. They already did that with Sherry in RE6.
Okay, from your wording I thought maybe Piers had been set up in a side game or movie before 6.
I fully expect Jill to not look her biological age in her next appearance because of what was done to her in 5.
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Considering Jill is by far my favorite character in RE and Claire is my second, yes, more Jill, more Claire. Sheva was cool, too, but I'd at least like the option of Jill or someone in a mainline game.
Don't get me wrong, I like Leon and Chris (even Ethan), but RE started out giving us a choice to play as two characters and I wouldn't mind a return to that. Jill kind of personifies RE to me. As disappointing as the cut content in RE3make was, I still found Jill to be an excellent protagonist.
Don't get me wrong, I like Leon and Chris (even Ethan), but RE started out giving us a choice to play as two characters and I wouldn't mind a return to that. Jill kind of personifies RE to me. As disappointing as the cut content in RE3make was, I still found Jill to be an excellent protagonist.
Resident Evil's actually done pretty well by female protagonists. The thing it's been lacking that we never realized before was Female Tyrants (or their equivalents).
Would be kind of cool if the inevitable Wesker Replacement was something other than a smug white guy, too.
Would be kind of cool if the inevitable Wesker Replacement was something other than a smug white guy, too.
Nothing needs to be retconned to have another Jill mainline game. Just... put her in a mainline game. That's all.
But honestly, Sheva deserves it more than Jill at this point. A mainline RE with Sheva as the main playable character would be amazing.
Sheva killed Wesker.
That's like the nail in the coffin in Jill's role in the RE franchise. That's when we can safely say Jill was just a supporting character to Chris' story.
And indeed, she has not been back after that.
They'll probably just use the same actress and not care or use someone else. They've never cared much about visually consistency in how characters look
Capcom will never age up any of their female protagonists. Women can't be middle aged and playable unless they look like they're not a day over 25 because of science/magic/literally no excuse given.
I want Ashley and Moira back.
it's more or less implied that Piers might be gay.
it's more or less implied that Piers might be gay.
I wouldn't be surprised if you did briefly play as Mia or maybe that other village girl from some of the screenshots. I haven't read the leaks but, again, every RE game has had at least some brief section with a different player character, and there has never been an RE game where only men are playable.
This still makes my blood boil.
It's like if in Jessica Jones,
Trish gets to kill Kilgrave in the final episode while Jessica watches, after everything that happened during the season
Jill is still a very popular character, and one of the most popular female gaming characters out there. I only got into RE with RE7 but I can assure you the character is too big for Capcom to retire in any capacity. She'll be back in the mainline RE games eventually, and I think RE6 being a disaster and making RE7 be a soft reboot focusing on mostly new characters has delayed the planned inclusion of the most popular RE characters (outside of Chris) across the board.
Capcom just need to stop pretending that Jill doesn't exist. A remake of RE3 doesn't count, Jill hasn't fronted a new Resi game in ages. I'm all on for a new Resident Evil that has Jill and Sheva as the protagonists. I would happily see no more of Chris or Leon.
I agree that they should have more female protagonists however when RE8 is a sequel to RE7 it's probably hard to introduce a female playable character that doesn't feel shoehorned in the plot. On a positive note during the RE Presentation I was impressed by how many of the characters in RE8 are female, Lady Dimitrescu has 3 daughters and her boss seems to be another woman called Mother Miranda, Mia is obviously in the game and so is her and Ethan's daughter, that's a lot of female characters for the first extensive trailer of the game.