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Capcom brings back old versions of RE2, RE3 and RE7 on PC after users complained about performance issues
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This always felt like the way to go. Many other games do it exactly like this, by simply keeping a beta branch of the game available for ever. It takes almost no effort and solves every issue.
Unbelievable that this needs to be said to people running a business.
Its a beta branch. The new version is still the default
Weird that Capcom would put themselves in this position.
You don't force an upgrade patch like that. Always make the previous version available as a beta branch.
You don't force an upgrade patch like that. Always make the previous version available as a beta branch.
They are but they got rid of the DX11 versions and forced everyone to use DX12.
I wonder why they just didn't make it a new entry. Would've been the best option. The games have an amazing modding community and the mods (including the fantastic vr conversion) require the old version (or be adapted) and having seperate entry's would've made it significantly better solution. Now I have "reinstall" the version I want and can't quickly switch between them.
I assume you didn't know but you can just hide entrys. It would've been an obvious and significantly better solution than this beta branch. Now you can only have one versions installed at any time (especially annoying for vr and mods). I'm not looking forward to rename my game files and having to verify the game again (if that is even possible) whenever I decide to try out the new version.
I assume you didn't know but you can just hide entrys. It would've been an obvious and significantly better solution than this beta branch. Now you can only have one versions installed at any time (especially annoying for vr and mods). I'm not looking forward to rename my game files and having to verify the game again (if that is even possible) whenever I decide to try out the new version.
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Seriously. Its not hard. And I'm sure there were tons of people in the company saying it.
Some dumb manager somewhere is all it takes.
Absolutely not, I don't need more duplicated games in my library.
I can't believe people on this forum said it was unreasonable to complain about Capcom forcing an update because we can't expect them to support old hardware forever and the new version would work with most hardware.
Anyone could have seen this as a not exceptionally unlikely outcome. New builds of games always seem to break shit on PC.
Anyway the evil was defeated I guess.
Anyone could have seen this as a not exceptionally unlikely outcome. New builds of games always seem to break shit on PC.
Anyway the evil was defeated I guess.
Yes, and I do, but it is ridiculous to ask literally every player to do this for the benefit of the dozens who would play both versions. 99.999% of the people will want to play only one of the two.
the definition of "ridiculous" has certainly changed over the years
lots of games keep the old version as a seperate library entry, much simpler especially if you dont follow news like this.
PS4 version still available and unchanged, Xbox auto upgrade might be an issue (not sure if Series X can download Xbox One X version) but performance seems fine/improved/as expected so not an issue
Graphics API is not a slider. Though language nitpicks aside, for a lot of engines especially this isn't something you can just have an option for either as they are designed in a way where the executable is only built with one or another (they don't co-exist). Not even idTech has graphics API as an option anymore, that was last seen in idTech2.
Edit: Though curiously, I've just discovered it used to already be an option. So why they needed to remove it just for ray tracing is anyone's guess at this point.
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Honestly surprised Capcom was able to put them back up and didn't just delete the original versions from their system after uploading the new one.
In my time here I've unfortunately come to learn that no matter what a company does, someone will defend it.
It was a bit funny that the loudmouthed defenders in the previous thread all disappeared when the update came out and our predictions came true.
The only ridiculous thing I see is making such a big fuss about something as minor as this. 99.999% of people might only need one version of the game, but I'd be surprised if even a minute fraction of those people really care that there's another entry in their Steam library. Even less of that minute fraction of people will likely kick up a fuss about having to hide the library entry if they don't want to see it.
It's just not a big deal. Not even a little deal, actually.
Oh please, it should be as easy as possible for the end user to pick the version they want to play. "Hiding" the DX11-version like this means most people probably won't know it still exists. Two versions is the best solution.
Oh I agree, it wouldn't be a big deal either way. But this remains my favorite solution.
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I should mention that another problem with the two versions is that some players use a desktop shortcut to launch games, and those would be playing the old version forever, not noticing that there is a better version somewhere else in their account.
And sure, it isn't going to happen much, but I'd guess it is a far more likely scenario than the player who bought the old version and can't run the new one but also can't figure out how to make it work again.
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The pre-RT updates do this, you can choose DX11 or 12. I'm guessing it was removed in the recent release as it's based on a newer engine that may not have a DX11 path at all.
I rolled back to the older version for some tests and DX11 is a little bit more consistent in performance than DX12 in the newer version on my 3060, albeit it's slight. However, one big downside to the older beta is that the interlaced mode was far inferior, the newer version's interlaced mode was vastly improved. If you can run at your native res obviously not a big deal, the re-enabling of mods is reason enough to keep with the older beta branch if you don't use RT probably.
Good thing that they provides this option, quite unfortunate tbh. I would expect an update like this to improve instead of degradate. Wonder what caused this regression, for the lower end especially.
It's not simply due to DX12 alone.
Nontheless, major shifts or upgrades like this should provide an option to revert, especially for single player games.
It's not simply due to DX12 alone.
Nontheless, major shifts or upgrades like this should provide an option to revert, especially for single player games.
Good Move , Ideal would had been delisting the old version for Purchase and keep it as it is as Full Standalone version for its owners while making another standalone build for the new version and give it for free for the Original owners like what 2K did with Mafia 2 and Bioshock , that way u could switch between the two versions you own without re-downloading anything , but still better solution than nothing
Easy-peasy :)
1. At the title launcher menu, select the gear icon
2. Select Properties
3. Select Betas
4. Select "dx11_non-rt" from the pull-down menu
5. Back out of the Properties menu and let the game auto-update.
WBacon Are Capcom getting user feedback regarding problems on console as well? Where can I report these problems?
On PS5:
-broken screen space reflections in RE2make (for example on the floor of the main hall of the RPD), please let users disable these reflections completely if they cannot be improved
-performance issues in RT mode, please allow users to lower the resolution to hit 60 fps more consistently, maybe a high frame rate + RT mode at 1440p or even 1080p
These improvements would mean the world to me. Thank you very much! šø
On PS5:
-broken screen space reflections in RE2make (for example on the floor of the main hall of the RPD), please let users disable these reflections completely if they cannot be improved
-performance issues in RT mode, please allow users to lower the resolution to hit 60 fps more consistently, maybe a high frame rate + RT mode at 1440p or even 1080p
These improvements would mean the world to me. Thank you very much! šø
WBacon Are Capcom getting user feedback regarding problems on console as well? Where can I report these problems?
On PS5:
-broken screen space reflections in RE2make (for example on the floor of the main hall of the RPD), please let users disable these reflections completely if they cannot be improved
-performance issues in RT mode, please allow users to lower the resolution to hit 60 fps more consistently, maybe a high frame rate + RT mode at 1440p or even 1080p
These improvements would mean the world to me. Thank you very much! šø
This is ridiculous. I cant believe they thought "Yeah this looks fine, lets ship it this way"
Fantastic! Always give people options imo. Maybe the new version would be unacceptable/unplayable for some. Can't believe they didn't think about that in the first place. Oh well at least they took care of the problem
There are definitely people in Capcom who knew this backlash would happen who are saying "told you so".
Hopefully those folks are listened to in the future.
Hopefully those folks are listened to in the future.
This isn't even new. SSR is downright atrocious in countless areas in RE2 and this has been an issue since the game launched. One of the big hopes that I had with the RT update was that they'd swap it out with a RT reflection but no dice.
WBacon Are Capcom getting user feedback regarding problems on console as well? Where can I report these problems?
On PS5:
-broken screen space reflections in RE2make (for example on the floor of the main hall of the RPD), please let users disable these reflections completely if they cannot be improved
-performance issues in RT mode, please allow users to lower the resolution to hit 60 fps more consistently, maybe a high frame rate + RT mode at 1440p or even 1080p
These improvements would mean the world to me. Thank you very much! šø
Oof, dats bad. It's precisely why I don't like Screen Space Reflections. Such an awfully flawed technology that breaks my immersion in every game that it's in.
Wait, so ray tracing doesn't include reflections in this game?
It does but only for certain surfaces and the quality of the RT reflections are incredibly low. If you played Village with RT enabled, it's the same sort of deal. The RT lighting is the big draw here, the reflections aren't anything to write home about and they're used very sparingly.
The only reason I was looking forward to the RT mode was to get rid of the atrocious SSR reflections. And now on PS5 the RT mode of RE2 has these jarring performance issues. š©
In RE3 the SSR reflections actually look better I think, they might have improved the tech thereā¦ RE3 looks great in high frame rate mode in the areas I checked.
That's a bit disappointing to hear. Guess I'll play the upgraded version without reflections then. I really, really hate SSR.