Explain for me what part of that article has anything to do with anything I said in this thread.
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Can't we all finally agree that the PC Gaming Market doesn't threaten the Console market?
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Agree with OP. I'm not sure how me owning a PS4 Pro for FF7R is remotely contentious with also owning a gaming PC for Half-Life Alyx. The two aren't contentious same as buying a Switch for Bayonetta 3. And an Xbox isn't even competing with PC --- it's basically just a heavily modded PC. Heck, it's running a
a Microsoft Windows-based operating system.
a Microsoft Windows-based operating system.
Dude that is a dgital foundry talking forza horizon 1 for not being 60FPS like previous forzas were.
here is a quote since you can't take the time to google what you are preaching. I'm ignore you after this since its clear you prefer to be rude then takinga step back saying how you were mistaken.
Can you name 5 AAA games from this year that hit 4K/60 on XB1X?
That stuff applied to all MP shooters during last gen. Sorry I don't have time to engage with obvious trolls like that user.
People can't fathom why people don't always want "the best" of something and will settle for something lesser. People can't understand while all these benefits to them aren't seen the same to others. Gaming isnt the only place you see this too
Ok, to be fair, Horizon shifted the franchise from track-racer to a more demanding open world racing.
You're gong to have to quote for me what I said that contradicts anything said in that article, because I'm not seeing it.
I am pretty sure that all Halos, BFs and Gears were 30fps even on multiplayer. I may be wrong.
I'm interested to see how many consoles Microsoft can sell next gen. Trying to sell a new console with zero exclusive games is a bold strategy.
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I actually never said anything about Call of Duty, and yet they replied to me about Call of Duty. It's confusing to say the least.
It's about time. RAM prices where crazy in 2017/2018 due to shortages, now that DDR4 is cheap again it's hard to recommend someone builds a new PC with 8GB unless they are on a really really low budget and need to save $30.
OP, I get what you're saying but this is a gaming enthusiast website meaning that what statistics that you see here of what people are saying are skewed compared to real world numbers. Look at the percentage of people here that high-end video cards compared to normal numbers that you would see on the Steam survey. They wouldn't align at all.
I don't think anybody here is going to say that consoles and PCs do not have their specific advantages and purposes. I myself necessarily don't see a need for a Xbox Series X because I will have a PC that will run the same stuff. That's not a slight towards the Xbox brand at all, I mean I'll probably be subscribing to game pass and will be buying Microsoft games the whole time so it's not like I'm not going to be part of the ecosystem in some way. Microsoft has given people a choice and a lot of people that are enthusiasts are probably going to choose what's going to give them the most flexibility and options or maybe just both :)
Has this been your experience working on PC versions of games? I don't have much in the way of technical knowledge, but my impression is that console and PC development has converged to a great extent, with many software tools being shared. Both XBO and PS4 are x86 machines, and XBO even runs a custom version of Windows. From my understanding, a "coding to the metal" approach isn't just less feasible now than in decades past, it's actually undesirable because of the need for multiplatform development. Can anyone with console and PC development experience chime in?
Huge admirer by the way, Ori was an incredible game and Will of the Wisps looks phenomenal, can't wait to play it.
What is "that stuff"? And you're calling me a troll? You're replying to me with Digital Foundry links about games I haven't even talked about. It makes absolutely no sense.
You still optimize to certain specs. When you know the hardware and you do testing on said hardware you know exactly how it's going to run. That simply can't exist with PC
PC gaming despite everything is a great story, consoles have a chance at being a threat to consoles but PC still has the top spot.
I do not agree with the sentiment that PCs are only a "HIGH END ALTERNATIVE" for some kind of hardcore player base.
The arguments that PC gaming does cost much more and is less convenient than its console counterparts are also questionable.
But yeah, PC gaming does not threaten the console market because it is its own thing since 25 years or so.
The arguments that PC gaming does cost much more and is less convenient than its console counterparts are also questionable.
But yeah, PC gaming does not threaten the console market because it is its own thing since 25 years or so.
The hassle, if you're not already familiar with PC hardware, would be considerable to pick every part and get it setup, yes no doubt.
The cost though - for a system that would play the same games at equivalent res/settings if you're comparing X-enhanced titles? Around $750, that's for playing games at the same res/settings and performance if you're targetting ~4k at the same fps as the X.
You would still have the option though for pretty much all games to play them at 1080/1440p at 60fps, which is not a choice in every x-enhanced game, by far - and of course no comparison for games that weren't given X-enhanced patches. Going up to $900 and you could equip it with a 5700XT, for a system which absolutely dusts the X.
So yes, definitely more expensive and definitely more hassle, but the cost really isn't that stratospheric if you go DIY. I will say though that the X/Pro seem to have large discounts far, far more often in the US than Canada - $349 now for the X/Jedi Order bundle on Newegg.com is a hell of a deal. That's currently $650 cad right now (edit: just newegg, BestBuy has it for $450).
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All Halo games on Xbox and Xbox 360 were 30fps.
All Battlefield games on Xbox and Xbox 360 were 30fps.
All Gears of War games on Xbox and Xbox 360 were 30fps.
All Halo games on Xbox and Xbox 360 were 30fps.
All Battlefield games on Xbox and Xbox 360 were 30fps.
All Gears of War games on Xbox and Xbox 360 were 30fps.
These are facts. A respectable number of franchises did make the shift to 60fps on consoles this generation. Franchises that were generally, or would have been, 30fps games on the last generation of consoles. Framerate as a focus for AAA games was a relative rarity last generation, compared to even now. As late-gen AAA spectacles trend more and more toward 30fps this gen, in the last last gen, late-gen AAA spectacles tended to trend even lower - I'm reminded of games like GTA V, Crysis 3, Far Cry 3, and more, games that often eschewed strict 30fps locks and even vsync in favor of retaining some level of playability at sub-30fps average framerates.
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By all means get into it, because you don't know what you're talking about.
It really isn't. A large majority of people who buy consoles aren't interested in buying a pc, building a pc or maintaining a pc. Consoles are plug and play. Some people like that simplicity. Those people will always be there to buy the console games. PC ports are almost always better than their console counterparts but a lot of people don't care about that.
Key resellers, like G2A are not technically legal and there are current court cases about it. No shit Humble Bundle and places like that are legal, they are allow to sell keys which are provided to them. That's not reselling but yes, I'm wrong.
Legit key resellers:
GreenManGaming
IndieGala
Humble Bundle
GamersGate
Amazon
GOG
GamesPlanet
Avoid:
Kinguin
G2A
There are gray area sites which also sell digital console titles, so it's not just on PC.
Call of Duty was very known to be the outlier not the norm in terms of performance. It's one of the reasons why people loved it so much.
Gears and Halo were very much 30FPS games. Uncharted 2, Battlefield Bad Company, 3 + 4, Left 4 Dead, Killzone, Destiny, and Resistance are all also 30 FPS games on 360/PS3.
Something else that's missing from pc for me is hype, there's rarely a big announcement that's specifically for pc, like where's my pc state of play or direct? We did just the new half life announcement but that's just 1 thing
And even then, it was for VR which kind of hushed the hype a bit
Well, a PC exclusive won 4 awards in the Game Awards less than a week ago...
I think they're still more direct competition than a lot of people in here think. Yes, there is a price difference. Most of the time your gaming PC is going to be more expensive than a console, especially so in the later half of the generation when you can pick it up for 200 or less.
However, people forget all the time that, especially so in Europe, games have a lower price tag on PC than console and a smart customer can easily save a ton even when buying games on release. Stuff like CDKeys often has prices sub 40 euro. A lot of times you'd be looking at a full 60 euro price tag for that on console. And that's not to forget that online is obviously free compared to the 50 euro price tag (per year) it is on console.
However, people forget all the time that, especially so in Europe, games have a lower price tag on PC than console and a smart customer can easily save a ton even when buying games on release. Stuff like CDKeys often has prices sub 40 euro. A lot of times you'd be looking at a full 60 euro price tag for that on console. And that's not to forget that online is obviously free compared to the 50 euro price tag (per year) it is on console.
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Good god man. You're spinning the lack of marketing events as a negative?
Someone who wants a console and wants to play Microsoft games will buy an Xbox. That's really all there is to it.
The "now I don't need an Xbox" crowd wouldn't have bought third party stuff anyway, so it makes no difference whether they sell them the same games on Xbox or on Windows 10.
Some people just aren't that into videogames. If a guy wants to play Madden 2021 and Halo Infinite with his buddies from college do you really think he's going to sit down, do the research, then build an entire desktop computer purely for gaming when he already has a MacBook Air? Yeah, maybe PC gaming is better when you crunch the numbers and weigh the benefits, but some people simply don't care. If you can't wrap your head around someone choosing to game on a console, then you need to do some reflecting.
The "now I don't need an Xbox" crowd wouldn't have bought third party stuff anyway, so it makes no difference whether they sell them the same games on Xbox or on Windows 10.
Some people just aren't that into videogames. If a guy wants to play Madden 2021 and Halo Infinite with his buddies from college do you really think he's going to sit down, do the research, then build an entire desktop computer purely for gaming when he already has a MacBook Air? Yeah, maybe PC gaming is better when you crunch the numbers and weigh the benefits, but some people simply don't care. If you can't wrap your head around someone choosing to game on a console, then you need to do some reflecting.
Not only that but the DLC for Left 4 Dead 1 was $7 because Microsoft wouldn't let Valve release it for free like they did on PC.
I can easily wrap my head around that mentality for the type of person you're describing. However, you and I are currently posting on a dedicated video game enthusiast board so it's a bit more strange to see all this talk of "convenience" and "can't be bothered" here.
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I mean, get a PC with equivalent specs to a Tegra X1 and play the PC version of Blind Forest on it and then compare it to playing the Switch Port of Blind Forest. You can perform miracles if you're optimizing towards a specific system.
Yea I look forwards to directs and state of plays, can't wait to see what they announce
I mean that was back when dlc and digital downloads were pretty new and Microsoft was providing all the infrastructure for it. Now free dlc is fine
Nah
The consumer spent money on Xbox Live to pay for that. Could be a valid argument if it was a free service to the consumer, but they were forcing them to charge the consumer to "pay for infastructure" then what the fuck was the XBL cost.
Optimization exists, certainly. And yes, testing a game on every possible hardware spec available on PC is obviously unfeasible. That doesn't mean testing isn't done, far from it. We're also long past the days of exotic hardware in consoles, so less compromises need to be made between different versions of games. The idea that PC versions of games are generally poorly optimized and need to be overcome through brute force just doesn't track with reality.
I work a lot, am married and like to game at the end of the night to unwind. I don't have time or energy to built a PC or deal with the issues that can arise with PC's etc. Or mod or any of that. You can be an enthusiast and don't want to have to do the rest that can come with it.
Btw, Ori will of wisps for switch? Don't just give us 1 of them please lol
Consumers paid money for Xbox Live for dedicated online servers for games. You didn't need to pay for Xbox Live to download dlc.
They changed it over time but at the start that's how they did it.
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I would probably play more games on console if I was unable to play virtually everything on PC.