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I don't think the fact that some celebrities are able to "bounce back" means jack shit. Especially when it's accompanied by whinging that their exile is over.

The problem is that they come back and have no interest in getting their shit unfucked. There's no reason for them to hold themselves accountable, and of course they don't. This is the problem with Louis CK, that he's made his comeback by turning into a Milo Y.-esque right-wing grifter and appeaser. If these people had any interest in actually working to be better than they were or at least acknowledge the harm they did, there'd be less grousing.

Don't get me wrong, though. There would still be grousing, because, like, it would be stupid to give a serial sexual abuser the benefit of the doubt without long-term evidence of a committment to not being a worthless fuckface, because it's not a minor issue that should be handwaved away on an apology done the first time things get tough.

Why would the fact that Louis CK found it harder to do comedy for being outed as a serial sexual harrasser be worse than the act of alienating women from the comedy field by abusing them in the first place? When do we get to care about their long-term fate in the industry and the harm that befell them while they were trying to do their jobs?
 

killdatninja

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Just from quick thinking, Etika comes to mind. I'm sure you can find info on it. Etikas community, ResetEra and some other communities clipped/harassed and everything Etika said while not being mentally sound at the time.

Then when he took his life, the same people who were wishing him the worst/death and other stuff, suddenly came out the woodwork and started saying "Oh wow, can't believe he took his own life." "It's sad he took his own life." "RIP he was such a good guy.". Era even released a statement in regards to the whole Etika controversy here. It's why a lot hate was given to Keemstar when Etika took his own life.

Keemstar downplayed his mental health, constantly berated him, called him out on stuff and then when he took his own life everyone screenshotted Keemstars tweets, got clips from his videos and audio recordings to show how hypocritical Keemstars "sad" tweets were.

I'm not sure how the Etika situation relates at all to cancel culture issue we're talking about here. I'm going off memory... so I apologize if I get some details wrong... and I agree with you that some of the shit I saw on ERA said about Etika was disgusting. In retrospect it's easy to point out that his behavior was due to mental illness and not due to the public persona, this doesn't excuse everything that was said/written about him but you can't just say "it was so obvious he was having mental health issues" when it wasn't that clear then.

For starters... Etika self-banned himself on all his platforms... he did it with youtube by posting porn and he did it on twitch for saying slurs, he lost his own revenue streams based on actions he did and not because of others. Etika was displaying some troubling behavior, but he refused to get himself help and instead basically ignored it or brushed it off... this made people think he was displaying the "look at me I'm a youtuber" type behavior... when said behavior was likely due to his mental health issues. He goes on keemstars show and calls himself the antichrist and says some off the wall stuff... it's obvious NOW that it was a mental health problem but at the time that it was happening it wouldn't be far fetched to think people would think he was displaying a "look at me" behavior? The only people who were really in the know where Etika's discord community... and even then some didn't know if it was real or just a public persona like others did.

The Etika story is a sad one but it's not one of cancel culture, it's a mix of mental illness/depression/cyberbullying/stress/other factors. It wasn't someone finding something from Etika's past that affected him, it was the fact that he was having major mental problems and people were oblivious to that fact... which unfortunately involved cyberbullying...
 

Scarlet Death

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The term has always been in reference to celebrity. That's where the "cancel" part comes from, getting their show or film or whatever canceled so they don't have a platform anymore. The deplatforming and removal of career opportunity is the key element, and as pointed out in the video, that really doesn't happen in any long term sense in any case. Someone who isn't a celebrity has nothing to cancel. I'm sure people have used to it to describe standard ostracizing or bullying, but that's very obviously not what he's talking about in the video.

That's fair. Most of the local people I've seen that has serious consequences are people in some degree in a position of power. Event organizers, performers, group owners, producers, etc. Examples of things that I was. Like it's fine if you want to remove me from places of power. I couldn't handle it. But they also made it very difficult to get the help and support I need. I'm glad you can see this as cyberbullying, but others can't tell the difference and I am concerned about the well-being of people put in situations I've been put in. I don't want anyone to be treated like I was treated.

Like I'm not upset at anyone for wanting to keep their community safe but I never really could convey this whole mess without using the term cancel culture.
 

GeoGonzo

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I don't think the fact that some celebrities are able to "bounce back" means jack shit. Especially when it's accompanied by whinging that their exile is over.

The fact that cancel culture isn't as effective or permanent as some people would like it to be doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
Celebrities whining about something isn't good evidence of said thing being real. People complain about nonsense all the time.

More importantly, saying "Some celebrities bounce back" is disingenuous at best because pretty much anyone who is "cancelled" bounces back if they want to. From bad comedians to sex offenders to outright murderers: They pretty much ALL come back. This is one of the main points of the video.

So when you say "cancel culture" exists what you actually mean is that some people refuse to support other people because they find their words and/or actions reprehensible. Also, some of them even say (sometimes online) that more people should think like them.

Is... is that it? This is called "cancel culture" now? Why the new name for something that isn't new? Watergate: cancel culture? The USA Civil War: cancel culture? Lets not be ridiculous, please.
 
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Cancel culture has always been a construction of the alt right that has no basis in reality, used by bigots and racists that can't accept that the world is changing for the better.
What?

Cancel culture is a thing and it's been used by the right for decades. Now we are using it and you pretend it does not exist?

Go tell that to all those people accused in the sixties and seventies of communism that disappeared soon after
Or people accused of homosexuality a couple of decades before

Get a grip
 

Mass_Pincup

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The amount of times people here wrote someone off before having the full picture is proof enough that cancel culture is a thing.

The Depp and Heard story is the first thing to come to mind. You had people calling to boycott Fantastic Beasts and whatnot.
 

Jegriva

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An amazing 30-minute piece by Cody Johnston about why the idea of cancel culture is bullshit and is basically famous people not wanting to have consequences for doing shitty things.

I disagree. cancel culture IS a thing. it's just that today is the first time in history that aren't the conservatives who use it.
 

Zhukov

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It bugs me how the term "snowflake" has been appropriated to mean fragile, when the original usage was for people trying to be "unique" like individual snowflakes.
Pretty sure the fragility thing was always part of it, a snowflake being something that collapsed when exposed to the slightest heat.
 

Famassu

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Uh, not quite. For as much as people here would like to claim it's not real, we've had at least five threads about this very topic within the past month or so. Not only that, people here have been guilty of jumping on the bandwagon of anger without having the full picture, cheering once someone got fired or had to defend their careers, and then be like "oh..oops" when the entire picture was painted and they found out they were wrong. Call if cancel culture or call it whatever you want, but the phenomenon exists and real world people have wrongfully been accused of shit they didn't do because the internet mob wants its justice yesterday.
Maybe watch the video, I dunno? It addresses all of these. People facing consequences for shitty actions (like demonstrably, provably making racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic and/or otherwise offensive comments in tweets, on video etc.) isn't cancel culture and even if some people lose a gig or two, THEY 👏 AREN'T 👏 CANCELLED. 👏 The likes of Chapelle make shitty transphobic comments and get dozens of millions of dollars thrown at them by the likes of Netflix to make those comments, now and in the future, unfortunately.
 

Famassu

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He just had a company cut ties with him and had posts he made when he was a child brought to national attention. No big deal. And you're right, there is no way I'm watching that bullshit video.
He'll probably go on to have a perfectly fine career/life. Losing a gig or two because some companies don't want to be assosiated with people making bigoted comments != cancelled.
 

Mass_Pincup

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He'll probably go on to have a perfectly fine career/life. Losing a gig or two because some companies don't want to be assosiated with people making bigoted comments != cancelled.

By that metric, has a person ever been cancelled? What does cancelled mean? Would R. Kelly be considered cancelled before his media resurgence this past couple of years?
 
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Randam

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Watching it right now.
Just wanted to say that the censoring of curse words is fucking annoying and makes stuff hard to understand sometimes. Especially for none native English speakers.
 

Famassu

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By that metric, has a person ever been cancelled? What does cancelled mean? Would R. Kelly be considered cancelled before his mediatic resurgence this past couple of years?
That's the whole fucking point of the video. Right-wing shitheels & pearl-clutching centrists are trying to make it seem like all of society is at danger of falling into chaos & decay when anyone and everyone is being cancelled left & right and their lives irreversably destroyed beyond recognition & for good when Da Evil SJWs are digging up dirt on everyone from Times Ancient, when in reality these are mostly a bunch of priviliged, entitled rich politicians and actors/comedians/entertainers not getting every multi-million-dollar paying job they feel entitled to because they've been OPENLY racist, homophobic or otherwise provably bigoted in the not-so-distant past AND eventually getting on with their professions _perfectly fine_ after losing maybe some gig or two and after the dust settles within about a week/month or two with the attention span most people have. Even actual criminals who have done criminal acts like rape, physical and/or sexual abuse etc.

Fucking seriously, even on a forum like ResetEra that some claim is some kind of perpetually triggered & outraged SJW haven that drives the ruination of many a fine people's lives, people are all "but how long are we supposed to hold a grudge" when it's only been two months since we heard someone being a shitgibbon. People have a hard time not consuming entertainment from "problematic" figures for longer than a few months, let alone years or someone's whole career/lifetime (if they even let these things affect their behaviour at all, using the lamest-ass "herp derp separate art from artist herp derp" excuse everytime they'd need to alter their entertainment consumption habits because someone is a rapist and shouldn't be supported & publicly celebrated).

As is said in the video, the public WANTS to forgive these people and often they do (if they ever even think there is anything to apologize/be forgiven for) even after non-apology apologies.
 
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skeptem

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Watching it right now.
Just wanted to say that the censoring of curse words is fucking annoying and makes stuff hard to understand sometimes. Especially for none native English speakers.
I think they have their videos often reported and demonetized so this is probably a way to try and avoid that.
 

Famassu

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Watching it right now.
Just wanted to say that the censoring of curse words is fucking annoying and makes stuff hard to understand sometimes. Especially for none native English speakers.
Youtube makes it so that they have to censor that stuff if they want to have a chance of not being buried completely from appearing in recommendations & such.
 

Mass_Pincup

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That's the whole fucking point of the video. Right-wing shitheels & pearl-clutching centrists are trying to make it seem like all of society is at danger of falling into chaos & decay when anyone and everyone is being cancelled left & right and their lives irreversably destroyed beyond recognition & for good when Da Evil SJWs are digging up dirt on everyone from Times Ancient, when in reality there are mostly a bunch of priviliged, entitled rich politicians and actors/comedians/entertainers not getting every multi-million-dollar paying job they feel entitled to because they've been OPENLY racist, homophobic or otherwise provably bigoted in the not-so-distant past AND eventually getting on with their professions _perfectly fine_ after the dust settles within about a week/month or two with the attention span most people have. Even actual criminals who have done criminal acts like rape, physical and/or sexual abuse etc.

Fucking seriously, even on a forum like ResetEra that some claim is some kind of perpetually triggered & outraged SJW haven that drives the ruination of many a fine people's lives, people are all "but how long are we supposed to hold a grudge" when it's only been two months since we heard someone being a shitgibbon. People have a hard time not consuming entertainment from "problematic" figures for more than a few months, let alone years or someone's whole career/lifetime (if they even let these things affect their behaviour at all, using the lamest-ass "herp derp separate art from artist herp derp" excuse everytime they'd need to alter their entertainment consumption habits because someone is a rapist and shouldn't be supported & publicly celebrated).

As is said in the video, the public WANTS to forgive these people and often they do (if they ever even think there is anything to apologize/be forgiven for) even after non-apology apologies.

Thanks for the summary of the video (can't watch it right now).

While I can see and agree to your point, it looks like it's more talking about boycotting than cancel culture though? Because for me, cancel culture is more about how people specifically look for dirt for no specific reason, or the need to react the fastest way possible to the tiniest bit of potential wrongdoing from someone.

Of course the exemples used at the are just needed consequence and responses from employers, but I feel like it's not really getting at what cancel culture is supposed to be. Or maybe I'm wrong and that's not what it is.
 

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Maybe watch the video, I dunno? It addresses all of these. People facing consequences for shitty actions (like demonstrably, provably making racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic and/or otherwise offensive comments in tweets, on video etc.) isn't cancel culture and even if some people lose a gig or two, THEY 👏 AREN'T 👏 CANCELLED. 👏 The likes of Chapelle make shitty transphobic comments and get dozens of millions of dollars thrown at them by the likes of Netflix to make those comments, now and in the future, unfortunately.

Therein lies the confusion.

No one who uses the term "cancel culture" is referring to the outcome of the cancelling, they're referring to an exaggerated and disproportionate response to a by an angry mob being normalized, often to a minor offense committed years ago.

I don't think anyone is unfamiliar with the concept that our actions can have consequences and - as in the case of Dave Chapelle - just because the attempted cancelling didn't result in a successful cancelling, doesn't invalidate the fact that the culture does in fact exist.
 

Famassu

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Thanks for the summary of the video (can't watch it right now).

While I can see and agree to your point, it looks like it's more talking about boycotting than cancel culture though? Because for me, cancel culture is more about how people specifically look for dirt for no specific reason, or the need to react the fastest way possible to the tiniest bit of potential wrongdoing from someone.

Of course the exemples used at the are just needed consequence and responses from employers, but I feel like it's not really getting at what cancel culture is supposed to be. Or maybe I'm wrong and that's not what it is.
Some level of vetting has been a thing since forever. Companies don't want you on their payroll if you are a potential PR disaster waiting to happen, and this matters more and more the more digits are on your paycheck. If you are an open member of the KKK or repeating their talking points publicly, you're not going to get a job as the face of Lucasfilm's next Star Wars movie. Not in 2019, not in 1979. Social Media/Interwebz has made it easier to find out about that behaviour because people are dumb enough to make those statements on Twitter or recorded audio/video using their own names without a care in the world as if they were talking in some private event. What's so bad about exposing those?

You're talking as if people spend hours every day combing through everyone's Twitter feeds and whole Internet presence to see if they have done anything problematic, when it's just likely that maybe there's a recent repeat offense that gets people to remember that hey, this person that is about to star in the next hitfilm from Marvel has actually been a raging transphobe in the past too (but back then it didn't gain traction because people cared less). People often just remember some past instances of shitty behaviour instead of going deliberately in search of and then maybe do a 2 minute google search to find the clips they remember. Or maybe some random person is reading some past interviews and suddenly they just come up with something where an actor is being a racist shit and then they just share it like "wtf, was this a widely know thing?" on Twitter to their 5 followers and that might go viral. No one necessarily went looking for dirt but it just has a habit of (re)surfacing.

Besides, if anything, the contrary is closer to being true. It has actually usually been the alt-right shitgibbons who go around trying to DESPERATELY dig up dirt on progressive people who are trying to enact positive change in the world in mostly futile attempts of shutting up "SJWs" who have dared accuse their idols of any wrongdoing or spreading progressive, inclusive messages (see: the case of James Gunn or what is happening with the pedo-creep-sex-pest Vic Mignogna and his accusers where the alt right fans of Mignogna have tried to dig up dirt and flung shit at the accusers to undermine their sexual assault/harassment claims).

People like Kevin Hart didn't lose their Oscar hosting gig because of a poor joke, he lost it because he REFUSED to offer even the tiniest bit of an apology. Not even a half-assed "sorry if you were offended" non-apology apology. A straight out "I won't apologize." People have said and done similar or even worse things but the ones who offer (at least seemingly) sincere apologies and condemn their past behaviour without any caveats have been and will mostly continue getting away with stupid, hurtful & hateful shit (unless it's something on the level of "we should kill all the gays" and not just using the f-word).
 

Middleman

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Celebrities whining about something isn't good evidence of said thing being real. People complain about nonsense all the time.

More importantly, saying "Some celebrities bounce back" is disingenuous at best because pretty much anyone who is "cancelled" bounces back if they want to. From bad comedians to sex offenders to outright murderers: They pretty much ALL come back. This is one of the main points of the video.

So when you say "cancel culture" exists what you actually mean is that some people refuse to support other people because they find their words and/or actions reprehensible. Also, some of them even say (sometimes online) that more people should think like them.

Is... is that it? This is called "cancel culture" now? Why the new name for something that isn't new? Watergate: cancel culture? The USA Civil War: cancel culture? Lets not be ridiculous, please.
Eh, careers don't have to be destroyed for cancel culture to be a thing.

Kevin Hart is going to be fine but he lost out on hosting the Oscars because people dug up some shitty things he said a decade ago.

Dave Chappelle will be A-OK but instead of simply expressing their own distaste with some of his material, critics were calling for Netflix to banish him from their platform altogether.

That's cancel culture in a nutshell and it's undeniable.
 

Famassu

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Therein lies the confusion.

No one who uses the term "cancel culture" is referring to the outcome of the cancelling, they're referring to an exaggerated and disproportionate response to a by an angry mob being normalized, often to a minor offense committed years ago.

I don't think anyone is unfamiliar with the concept that our actions can have consequences and - as in the case of Dave Chapelle - just because the attempted cancelling didn't result in a successful cancelling, doesn't invalidate the fact that the culture does in fact exist.
No, the claim that these people's lives are then forever ruined is very much part of the narrative surrounding cancel culture. And spouting hateful slurs isn't a "minor" thing to those people who are a target of those slurs.

And alt-right fascists & incels are very much unfamiliar with the idea that words on the Interwebz have consequences after having grown up on lame-ass 4chan since a very young age, where these bigoted "jokes" have been a part of the whole community from the very beginning, or don't think that hatred towards black people, gay people, chinese people, transgender people etc. is wrong in the first place and as such everyone should be entitled & even protected to be able to have any job ever despite what they say about those often oppressed minorities.
 

Scuffed

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I expected to only watch a little bit but I actually finished the whole thing. Great video and an important one. I've been saying things like this here for a long time now whenever people bring up how dangerous and misguided "cancel culture," is. When asked who has been "cancelled" inappropriately no one can ever come up with an example nevermind all the celebs who have done horrible shit and still have success. It doesn't exist and is just used by the alt-right to protect their horrible opinions.
 

Randam

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I think they have their videos often reported and demonetized so this is probably a way to try and avoid that.
Youtube makes it so that they have to censor that stuff if they want to have a chance of not being buried completely from appearing in recommendations & such.
Probably. But yeah. The clip from that snl guy was really hard to understand. Subtitles would have been nice.

Anyways..
I don't like the style of the dude, but the video is right.
People have to take responsibility for things they have said or done. And according to how they handle that stuff, they have to deal with people not wanting to support, or work with them anymore.

That is OK and not new at all.
 

Famassu

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Eh, careers don't have to be destroyed for cancel culture to be a thing.

Kevin Hart is going to be fine but he lost out on hosting the Oscars because people dug up some shitty things he said a decade ago.

Dave Chappelle will be A-OK but instead of simply expressing their own distaste with some of his material, critics were calling for Netflix to banish him from their platform altogether.

That's cancel culture in a nutshell and it's undeniable.
No, that's boycotting/calling companies to boycott someone who spouts transphobic crap. Calls for boycott has been a thing for probably thousands of years. Cancel culture is just an alt right/weak-ass centrists re-branding of that (maybe combined with other things) to try and make it seem like having consequnces for shitty things you say & do is a bad thing, just so that they would more easily get away with all the racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny etc. that they so desperately want to shout out to the world.

And, again, Kevin Hart didn't lose his Oscar gig for what he said. He lost it because he refused to apologize for saying that he'd beat up his own child if he wanted to play with dolls and confessed to being gay (and other homophobic shit). Like, Oscars were literally "hey, we're cool with you being the host if you just release a simple statement condemning your past homophobic crap" and Kevin Hart went "nah, fam".
 

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No, the claim that these people's lives are then forever ruined is very much part of the narrative surrounding cancel culture. And spouting hateful slurs isn't a "minor" thing to those people who are a target of those slurs.

No, there's no expectation as to whether the cancellation in question worked or not, that's incidental. It's the act of calling something out that's being labeled here, not the level of success to which the callout succeeds. In fact, "cancel culture" is a variant of "callout culture".

Now that you understand the distinction, there's no more need for confusion.
 

Famassu

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No, there's no expectation as to whether the cancellation in question worked or not, that's incidental. It's the act of calling something out that's being labeled here, not the level of success to which the callout succeeds. In fact, "cancel culture" is a variant of "callout culture".

Now that you understand the distinction, there's no more need for confusion.
No, the vast number of Perfectly Fine People(tm) who have been "cancelled" are very much part of the false rhetoric surrounding the "cancel culture" hysteria.
 

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I agree with one of the posts above....I think people lean too heavily on the "cancel" part of "cancel culture". To me the phrase always just meant when someone does or says something wrong, and then people immediately jump on them and are "done with them". Specifically relating to social media/online pile ons. That's all it means to me. The problem is I think everyone discussing it is operating under different definitions of it, this thread is proof.

I think it's disingenuous to assume that anyone using the phrase means it literally. And another problem is there are so many examples, some of them being actually deserved, like when it's a literal crime, that everyone is kind of thinking of their own examples and arguing with one another.
 

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The whole exaggeration of the situation for Youtube impressions takes away any credibility.
 

Middleman

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You're distorting what happened, why ?
It's hilarious that you think the fact that he was fired because he didn't make a suitably performative apology for tweets that had been public record for a decade, after he had been publicly announced as host, is a worthwhile distinction which somehow counters the existence of cancel culture.
 

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It's hilarious that you think the fact that he was fired because he didn't make a suitably performative apology for tweets that had been public record for a decade, after he had been publicly announced as host, is a worthwhile distinction which somehow counters the existence of cancel culture.
Why are you being disingenuous as fuck ?
Don't bother I know why, snowflake.
 

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No, the vast number of Perfectly Fine People(tm) who have been "cancelled" are very much part of the false rhetoric surrounding the "cancel culture" hysteria.

You can keep saying that as much as you like, but that's not going to make it any less fallacious. Disingenuously framing it as "hysteria" isn't going to help your case either, it just tells me you're being irrational in an attempt to change the accepted meaning.
 
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Arjen

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The argument that cancel culture doesn't exist, because people aren't completly "cancelled" or are able to bounce back is pretty weak. The intent matters.
 

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Taking Era as an example, there have been a few threads on here where people have been quick to immediately label someone as a racist/piece of shit/whatever (in some cases, without having watched the relevant video/article explaining the situation), only to be told that their judgement was wrong and that the person in question didn't actually do anything wrong. That's what I would call Cancel Culture, people immediately jumping in to label someone else as a piece of shit based on something someone else told them without actually checking to see if they've got their facts right before going on the offensive.

That's a very real thing that does happen. Is that not Cancel Culture?

(Hypocritically I haven't watched the video in the OP yet)
 

Famassu

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I agree with one of the posts above....I think people lean too heavily on the "cancel" part of "cancel culture". To me the phrase always just meant when someone does or says something wrong, and then people immediately jump on them and are "done with them". Specifically relating to social media/online pile ons. That's all it means to me. The problem is I think everyone discussing it is operating under different definitions of it, this thread is proof.

I think it's disingenuous to assume that anyone using the phrase means it literally.
This doesn't happen, though. People do call out a lot of different people on social media but a lot of them get away with it perfectly fine when they just apologize, and even the ones who don't will be perfectly fine within weeks of the whole hullabaloo, unless they've said something truly heinous.

Some individuals deciding not to follow/support some celebrity is, AGAIN, boycotting, not "cancelling". Cancel culture is just an attempt of hysteria-induced, negative re-branding of perfectly normal behaviour to make it seem more sinister & wide-reaching than it actually is and it mostly comes from the right/centrists. Just like nazis & fascists try to look themselves better & obfuscate the whole connection to fasicst ideals with the "alt-right" term, they try to come up & spread hysteria about "outrage culture", "cancel culture" & such to undermine the very real problems that people are trying to address that are behind those.
 

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I don't understand the whole celebrity worship "culture" that gets people so fired up to protect their idols.
 

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Kap getting cancelled proves it's a thing.

Also, while the video makes excellent points huge celebrities aren't always the ones targeted and Kevin Hart is 100% in the right for not apologizing for something almost 10yrs ago--he's wrong for seemingly doubling down and appearing on The Shop and looking like he still has issue with LGBT folk.

Surprised he didn't use Chris Brown as an example.
 

GeoGonzo

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Eh, careers don't have to be destroyed for cancel culture to be a thing.

Kevin Hart is going to be fine but he lost out on hosting the Oscars because people dug up some shitty things he said a decade ago.
That isn't the full story, but nevermind all that.
Dave Chappelle will be A-OK but instead of simply expressing their own distaste with some of his material, critics were calling for Netflix to banish him from their platform altogether.
Again, how is any of this new? Was Kaepernick a victim of "Cancel Culture"? Was Kennedy? People have always spoken and acted against the celebrities they dislike.

Why is it suddenly "cancel culture"?

Personally, I can only think of ONE reason for using these words: A helpful label that paints any criticism as deranged witch-hunting.

And I can only see one kind of person who would have a use for that label. Would you say you have a use for it yourself?
 

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You can keep saying that as much as you like, but that's not going to make it any less fallacious. Disingenuously framing it as "hysteria" isn't going to help your case either, it just tells me you're being irrational in an attempt to change the accepted meaning.
If no one is being cancelled (and no, losing a few twitter followers isn't "cancelled"), then it's not fucking cancel culture. Losing a job because you acted shitty isn't being cancelled, that's companies using their right to fire people when they act in ways they don't want their employees acting. You can just look at who are peddling the whole "woe am us, cancel culture is the blight of our society" shit the hardest and that should make it clear that there's very little in the form of genuine, thoughtful, factual argumentation behind it. It's the same people who use "SJW" unironically.