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Canadian Election 2019 |OT| One Long Year of Scheer Stupidity [Update: Liberal Minority Government]
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The solution is to identify and implement controls on the amplifier. In this case, Facebook (and other social media). As long as we don't do that, pseudoscience and conspiracy theories will continue to spread.
that's all part of the plan,
ruin the education system, fill the land with "poorly educated", pump the info on Facebook , deny science, promiss a 0.01% tax cut for peanuts,
ruin the education system, fill the land with "poorly educated", pump the info on Facebook , deny science, promiss a 0.01% tax cut for peanuts,
The nobility is just building their serfdom, nothing more.
PSA:
don't bring you car tomorrow in Montreal LOL.
Public Transit will be FREE tomorrow for Montreal STM, South Shore's RTL and Laval's STL
don't bring you car tomorrow in Montreal LOL.
Public Transit will be FREE tomorrow for Montreal STM, South Shore's RTL and Laval's STL
In BC when the carbon tax was first implemented, there was of course a huge backlash because it was a tax. The government kept saying it was revenue neutral and people started getting cheques in the mail so the outrage died off eventually.
The federal tax being implemented in an election year is not helping, but it needed to be done.
LPC bought the pipeline, and promised to put the profits towards green energy. So clearly they aren't trying to shut down the industry, at least not at the moment, so I wouldn't even give keeping jobs (in the short term) as a point to the CPC
I'm not even environmentally conscious, but I recognize there's a push by the RoC to get off oil and go green, and at least the Liberal plan might be helping them to transition for that future. The CPC policy of oil forever isn't gonna prepare them for that future.
The CPC plan is only for the FF companies and investors.
The ABNDP was never expected to win the 2019 provincial election in the first place. Also, the fact they did not get wiped off the map makes it more likely that Albertans will vote for the ABNDP post-Notley.
Yeah the NDP only ever had a chance because the right was totally split. It's the same reason why the CPC can win in Canada: The left if split. If the LPC and NDP were a single party, they would dominate. Well, only for a while because the CPC would shift left to take some of the moderate votes, which would still be a good thing!
Hopefully we can elect someone to help fix our electoral system so that issues like split votes among the left are a thing of the past. I hate that I'm going to have to vote Liberal when my heart's with NDP right now.
Unless UPC splits, I think pigs will fly before the NDP ever wins again.
Alberta had what 30 years of conservative rule, and 30 years of the social credit party?
It is more arguable a rightward turn for a combined "left" party would happen rather than a leftward turn for combined right parties. See down south, formation of new labour in the UK, and etc. Even the leftward turn of combined left wing parties in the Anglo sphere seem more like returns to old left values.
I think the UCP gets at least two terms in government. It's going to be way harder for them to stay in power for decades compared to the PC's and SC's because alberta is currently urbanizing rapidly which will favour more city concentrated parties like the ABNDP(who is quite moderate) and alberta will also be more prone to throwing out the bums more often.. Also the ABNDP was never expected to win in 2015 and notley was always planning to win in 2019. I think the ABNDP stay around the 20-35 seat range while out of government but eventually form government again in about a decade
I know they were never expected to win. But watching a bunch of people vote UCP claiming they'd bring jobs, who then act surprised when he cuts jobs he promised he would cut, is perplexing to me. Like what the hell did they think he was going to do? Everything they were complaining about happened because of the previous government (prior to Notley). How do you deal with people who refuse to live in reality?
Federal non-CPC parties should nod at AB and Co, and continue to let them scream and yell. They want to be fucked over here because it's not really about the economy but their love for people they hate being screwed over. I don't believe the argument that the voters here are too dumb and keep voting against their own self interest by ignorance. No they're just spiteful shits.
AB and SK voters don't care about Quebec voters and what they like. They see a party that wants to bankrupt their economies.
Basically this.
"Not too bad". You're from BC, aren't you? What do you know about how bad things maybe are or aren't in SK and AB?
It's not being invested elsewhere because there is still money to be made faster than green infrastructure.
He's spent the political capital. Work hasn't ramped up on that line yet. Believe it or not Liberals got votes from pipeliners last time around, obviously not as many as CPC did, but pipeliners work transient jobs and come from plenty of provinces. I see plates from almost every province in the yard everyday.
It's not that people "don't want to be helped", it's that suggestions for "retraining" for a "normal job" when out here you're working 40 regular, 35-50 OT paid weekly and get paid LOA or a camp bonus, some 40 hour a week job sounds a lot like "fuck you" to most people out here.
Because LPC is a business oriented party that wants money and a big tent. Notley got fucked by a united right, same way the SK NDP did.
I don't know much about the rig work side of O&G but pipeline work for guys in the field is either heavy equipment operating, or labouring. Nobody cares about what they're labouring on for a job, or what industry they're operating equipment in; they care that they have a weekly income of $2700-4400. "Retrain" them in another industry where they'll clear 5 figures a month and faces won't be so long.
It's a lot like Alberta where I am in BC; resource jobs faltering, "economic anxiety", and a heaping helping of anti-immigrant rhetoric.
Yeah, fuck those people. Acknowledging them gets in the way of painting with broad strokes.
Absolutely, a good friend of mine is married to a teacher and they are nervous as hell. Not to mention his policy of paying out banked OT as regular time among myriad other shit policies. At least that asshole already has an RCMP investigation into his antics.
Considering only Tories and Grits have ever been in power...I doubt it. Electoral reform condemn the CPC to minority status forever, which means they won't make the change, while LPC is happy being Canada's "natural governing party". Party over country every time, as evidenced by what I consider the worst broken promise of Trudeau's mandate.
Why would it be? It was part of the 2015 one, which means it's already been taken care of, right?
Something tells me Trudeau's own party would vote against it even if he was for it.
I always wonder how many Blue Liberals are still in the LPC.
That's hyperbolic. The NWC can only be used for certain sections of the charter, and none affecting basic human rights.
That's where they have to take a breath and see that bankrupting their economies isn't the plan. lol
I live in BC although I have worked in AB in O&G, lived in Calgary during the heady years between 88-92, and transitioned on my own to other work on my own in my mid twenties.
There were crumbling old towns then just like there are crumbling old towns now.
O&G passes through and throws a few bucks their way as they tear things up in town.
Nothing has really gotten better when O&G is let to run amok. Money is just pissed away on extravagance.
Those thick wages might stick around awhile and might transition very well across sectors. It's AB and Canada. Really. First world nation. Super super super rich. Good trade negotiations. Still will have some level of extravagance compared to every else pretty much.
Check out the video here and tell me if any of this makes sense to you in regards to AB concerns.
Yeah absolutely. I mean there's heaps of work for trades in Vancouver, (in the near term we need to build two new Fraser river crossings, a subway to UBC and probably a new gondola too, and on top of all that there's a housing shortage so tons of need for new housing), BUT working in Metro Vancouver with the extra expenses that go hand in hand with that results in 'merely' having an upper middle class lifestyle. You don't get the two car garage with the big truck, and the boat, and the atvs etc.
Let's be honest nothing is gonna replace the gravy train that is oil sands development.
Pretty much. The rural economy took a dump in the 90s with the structural collapse of the pulp and paper industry (when's the last time you used a phone book?) and has never really recovered. Neither BC Liberal nor BC NDP government has figured out how to really fix this core systemic problem.
LOL Peter MacKay talking on CTV trying to spin the polls (because they're not going the way Peter wants them to be)
I remember looking into it and it seems to be able to be used on the actual important parts (sections 7 to 15) that have been used for social rights like marriage equality, which is pretty big.
It looks like Alberta tried to use it for marriage equality actually, except marriage is federally defined so they couldn't do it.
Yes, the gutter version of on topic; "Natural Governing Party" chanted ad nauseum when the day's polling numbers are looking up for the good guys.
If you think May's "carbon neutral" plan doesn't come at the expense of a lot of prairie people's livelihoods I don't know what to tell you.
What sectors pay that much overtime and live out? Live out is the main gravy train. I don't intend to stay in O&G longterm, there are significant amounts of people like me who are in it for a few years to get a significant amount of money saved and invested. There are savers out here, not just spenders who are addicted to toys. Like I said in my previous post, if the wages stay similar the workers will transition to basically anything. Equipment operators can't transition to forestry currently, and wages for development of cities and highways doesn't involve more overtime hours than regular hours, and being home with your family comes at the expense of your live out. For 15k a month I'll install wind turbines or solar panels or whatever floats your boat, but for all I care I'll hop on TMX for a couple years when it goes.
I like to think I'm left leaning enough to spend time in these threads, and I'm probably the most left leaning pipeliner if anyone I've worked with. I live a minimalistic lifestyle, save and invest money, and see the writing on the wall for these jobs but I also don't expect the guys who spend money like it's going out of style on diesel trucks, fifth wheels, toy haulers, sleds, quads, boats (and far worse things) to wave goodbye to that money instead of go down with the ship kicking and screaming. Coming to terms with the fact that certain lifestyles aren't sustainable is hard for some people to accept.
Thanks for the link to the video, I'll try to watch it when I have better service. Currently I have to wave my phone around a fairly significant amount just to keep up with this thread lol.
Exactly. I worked a decade in Edmonton in commercial and residential construction. It's a livable wage and it's above the average Canadian income. I was able to put a down payment down and build a house, which is increasingly difficult these days. O&G is just ridiculous money comparatively though.
No one on any gravy train likes it coming to an end. All I hear most days on CBC out here is about mill closures and how the BC NDP need to help these small communities that rely on forestry. Hell, didn't a convoy of truckers drive to Vancouver or something yesterday? People are up in arms that the forestry bailout money is coming from the rural development stipend because its rural people getting money they were alrewy getting with a new name. I don't hear anyone working for UAW excited that they are losing high paid union assembly jobs. I didn't hear about any steelworkers excited about the tariffs. Just lots of calls for government assistance. Saving when times are good rather than spending foolishly seemingly isn't something most people bother to get around to, regardless of industry, and telling people to get used to their new reality doesn't get them to vote left, it just pisses them off.
That guy is such a scumbag.
The same Peter MacKay that sold out the Progressive Conservatives to the Reform Alliance.
He's responsible for the PC capitulation to let the Reform-Alliance eat it up to form the CPC
Joe Clark will never forget nor forgive Peter
There are probably a few blue Liberals thanks to that douchebag but at this point I'd guess they only serve to try to anchor the party to centre rather than get truly progressive.
When both parties cater to corporations, it really doesn't matter who you vote for at that point if you're a "Blue Liberal" or a "Red Tory". It just changes the name you write on the donation checque.
That's a lot better than
That's progress. :p
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