CanadaERA COVID-19 Thread | Canadian Border Is Currently Out of Office, Returning 2049 - Jamais 2 sans 3 (vagues)

NTGYK · Apr 11, 2020

Baha said:
That fucking idiot isn't going to get away with this if people die in those facilities.

20 euros for a mask? And they won't be sent out till mid May? Guess I'll have to find the materials I'm missing to make masks of my own at home then.

Oh yeah, tons of these fashion companies have begun turning their fabric cast-offs into masks and fashion pieces and it's pretty ridiculous how much costs have spiked and what people are charging.

I like this design tho, plus it's reusable and I can put filters in. Psychologically, makes me feel "slightly" more safe.

Kernel · Apr 11, 2020

excelsiorlef said:
Yeah you can drive a truck through the gaps.... just fucking give money monthly to everyone and be done with it.... no roating log in system, no nothing just automatic deposit in Canadians' accounts, and those who are rich, pay it back later in taxes

I don't think there's a mechanism to just give it to "everyone" to my understanding.

excelsiorlef · Apr 11, 2020

Kernel said:
I don't think there's a mechanism to just give it to "everyone" to my understanding.

You're right you'd have to set up something for those who didn't file taxes recently... but other than that, you'd distribute it through the same way you distribute GTST cheques.

Gunny T Highway · Apr 11, 2020

Baha said:
How are people obtaining masks at this point? I'm missing a few items for the DIY versions and it seems like masks are sold out everywhere I look.

I luckily was given a couple of homemade cotton masks with a pocket for a filter from the fashion's teacher that works at my school. She hopes to make more. I am glad because I can't sow worth my life.

Raydonn · Apr 11, 2020

excelsiorlef said:
Yeah you can drive a truck through the gaps.... just fucking give money monthly to everyone and be done with it.... no roating log in system, no nothing just automatic deposit in Canadians' accounts, and those who are rich, pay it back later in taxes

That's a big nope for me. People are very irresponsible with money, even the rich. They'll just all drive themselves into huge debts.
We're already hearing stories about how people who shouldn't get CERB are applying because "free money". I bet they'll whine, complain and make excuses when it comes time to actually pay any of it back.
I agree there should be UBI, but it can't be given out carte-blanche.

Also, while I understand some of the situations some people are in... The "students who weren't working" don't really have any room to complain because they weren't even scheduled to finish their school term yet. Meaning they weren't even going to work or try to get any money until June at the earliest. Maybe once June hits, and then you still can't find a job, you'll have a reason to complain. Until then, you guys are just also just complaining about "free money".

excelsiorlef · Apr 11, 2020

Raydonn said:
That's a big nope for me. People are very irresponsible with money, even the rich. They'll just all drive themselves into huge debts.
We're already hearing stories about how people who shouldn't get CERB are applying because "free money". I bet they'll whine, complain and make excuses when it comes time to actually pay any of it back.
I agree there should be UBI, but it can't be given out carte-blanche.

Also, while I understand some of the situations some people are in... The "students who weren't working" don't really have any room to complain because they weren't even scheduled to finish their school term yet. Meaning they weren't even going to work or try to get any money until June at the earliest. Maybe once June hits, and then you still can't find a job, you'll have a reason to complain. Until then, you guys are just also just complaining about "free money".

You're right, some people suck, so wee should fuck over people in need to punish the few who suck.

Brah UBI literally is carte blacnhe... that's why it's called Universal.

Question do you have strong feelings about "Welfare Queens"?

firehawk12 · Apr 11, 2020

I know it's in vogue to hate the NDP here, but Singh's point that "returning to normal" is a fiction when it's clear that a century of neoliberal policies has basically been exposed as a house of cards is to spot on.

May made that point too.

N64Controller · Apr 11, 2020

Jesus, there's been 31 deaths at the Herron CHSLD since march 13th. 5 of those are confirmed COVID-19 deaths. Same owner has 3 other residences. All private residences will be thoroughly investigated. An investigation helmed by the SPVM Major Crimes unit.

Follows the fucking trend in private retirement homes. These places only work when everyone is in perfect health and in perfect condition. They don't give a shit about complications or complicated cases. So of course when an outbreak occurs, it's going to be a mess. No way this can stay like this. Privatizing old people care must stop. Fucking paying between 4 and 10k a month to be left in your own shit to die.

SkeeterPackage · Apr 11, 2020

Raydonn said:
That's a big nope for me. People are very irresponsible with money, even the rich. They'll just all drive themselves into huge debts.
We're already hearing stories about how people who shouldn't get CERB are applying because "free money". I bet they'll whine, complain and make excuses when it comes time to actually pay any of it back.
I agree there should be UBI, but it can't be given out carte-blanche.

Also, while I understand some of the situations some people are in... The "students who weren't working" don't really have any room to complain because they weren't even scheduled to finish their school term yet. Meaning they weren't even going to work or try to get any money until June at the earliest. Maybe once June hits, and then you still can't find a job, you'll have a reason to complain. Until then, you guys are just also just complaining about "free money".

How exactly is the EI i pay into free money?

This is some take....

djkimothy · Apr 11, 2020

GoemonTheNinja said:
Jesus, there's been 31 deaths at the Herron CHSLD since march 13th. 5 of those are confirmed COVID-19 deaths. Same owner has 3 other residences. All private residences will be thoroughly investigated.

Follows the fucking trend in private retirement homes. These places only work when everyone is in perfect health and in perfect condition. They don't give a shit about complications or complicated cases. So of course when an outbreak occurs, it's going to be a mess. No way this can stay like this. Privatizing old people care must stop. Fucking paying between 4 and 10k a month to be left in your own shit to die.

Even in the best of times I've never really heard of any good these facilities do. There should be investigations.

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I agree with the this sentiment and directly applies to Canadian Media and their bloodlust of obtaining federal models. The discussion is not useful by forcing government to spit out numbers.

DrEvil · Apr 11, 2020

This is such a bizarre looking press conference. -- Like something out of this hour has 22 minutes

N64Controller · Apr 11, 2020

djkimothy said:
Even in the best of times I've never really heard of any good these facilities do. There should be investigations.

We placed my grandmother last year. My grandfather being really well-off financially, and our family was swayed by a private home to send my grandmother to. It cost my granddad a LOT of money. First night she was in, she gave trouble to the nurse because of some pills she didn't want to take. They ended up calling the ambulance sending her to the hospital and saying that she can't live there anymore.

We eventually sent her to a public CHSLD really close to where my grandfather lives, and she's getting tremendous care.

I'm sorry for this blanket statement, but these situations + my personal anecdotal story leads me to say fuck private homes. Public system isn't perfect, and there are issues. But Jesus fucking Christ do you really want to trust private interests in cases like these? ESPECIALLY in a crisis time.

EDIT: Sorry I used your post as a bounce to tell a personal story. I'm angry :(

gutter_trash · Apr 11, 2020

private interests are driven by profits.

djkimothy · Apr 11, 2020

DrEvil said:
This is such a bizarre looking press conference. -- Like something out of this hour has 22 minutes

This is the moment Ford became premier. Where are the tests!?!?

Leeness · Apr 11, 2020

.Detective. said:
Leeness

There Are Now Acoustic Covers And Remixes Of Trudeau Saying ‘Moistly’

[Strums guitar]: “singing ... moistly.”

www.huffingtonpost.ca

It is spreading virally, but in a good way!

Incredible lol. So much talent.

Foot · Apr 11, 2020

DrEvil said:
This is such a bizarre looking press conference. -- Like something out of this hour has 22 minutes

It really does look like it's from a comedy sketch. Love this screenshot!

evrythngwastakn · Apr 11, 2020

Sigh at the article on CBC speculating about what BC does next seeing as our number look
Pretty good compared to most other places. Especially the "transport childcare and education" sectors being looked at as areas to start opening again. I hope level heads prevail because the amount of kids my wife and I deal with at school who come to school sick during normal times is insane. Between parents forcing them to go (for both legitimate and pathetic reasons) and kids "being bored and missing their friends", it'll be such a shit show if they start sending us back too soon.

shadowkat · Apr 11, 2020

DrEvil said:
This is such a bizarre looking press conference. -- Like something out of this hour has 22 minutes

This was so bizarre.

capitalCORN · Apr 11, 2020

DrEvil said:
This is such a bizarre looking press conference. -- Like something out of this hour has 22 minutes

Is that fucking real? Give me the link, cant find it.

Futabaisthebest<3 · Apr 11, 2020

DrEvil said:
This is such a bizarre looking press conference. -- Like something out of this hour has 22 minutes

This isn't some wrestling shoot, ffs....

firehawk12 · Apr 11, 2020

He got a shirt from a some volunteer group and promised to wear it during the conference.

Ford is becoming a human being. lol

Vamphuntr · Apr 11, 2020

QC cases now at
12 292 cases (+615)
289 deaths (+41)
778 hospitalized
211 ICU patients

So much for the light at the end of the tunnel :/

Kernel · Apr 11, 2020

firehawk12 said:
I know it's in vogue to hate the NDP here, but Singh's point that "returning to normal" is a fiction when it's clear that a century of neoliberal policies has basically been exposed as a house of cards is to spot on.

May made that point too.

Given that Bernie bombed hard I guess most people are OK with it.

Leeness · Apr 11, 2020

evrythngwastakn said:
Sigh at the article on CBC speculating about what BC does next seeing as our number look
Pretty good compared to most other places. Especially the "transport childcare and education" sectors being looked at as areas to start opening again. I hope level heads prevail because the amount of kids my wife and I deal with at school who come to school sick during normal times is insane. Between parents forcing them to go (for both legitimate and pathetic reasons) and kids "being bored and missing their friends", it'll be such a shit show if they start sending us back too soon.

Ugh no. Not yet. We should just keep schools closed to the end of the academic year. And transport needs to be kept socially distant.

Besides. I think we have to at least wait these next two weeks now, what with all the idiots travelling this weekend. Apparently ferries were full. Who knows what happens with that.

firehawk12 · Apr 11, 2020

Kernel said:
Given that Bernie bombed hard I guess most people are OK with it.

Accused rapist vs accused rapist 2020. Great time to be an American.

Kernel · Apr 11, 2020

firehawk12 said:
Accused rapist vs accused rapist 2020. Great time to be an American.

Trump is much more and much worse than an accused racist though.

Vamphuntr · Apr 11, 2020

Sacré François Legault haha

Schoolboards oversee elementary and high schools BTW. No nursing, inhalo, medical imaging or paramedic teachers in there.

They sure are penny pinching on that front.

firehawk12 · Apr 11, 2020

Kernel said:
Trump is much more and much worse than an accused racist though.

I don't want to derail this thread with American politics. lol

But back on topic, given the people here who are fucked by the CERB means testing, in addition to the countless people across the country who have posted on social media and elsewhere, we at least have anecdotal evidence that even trying to apply old philosophies to the government response to an economic crisis doesn't work either.

iiicon · Apr 11, 2020

evrythngwastakn said:
Sigh at the article on CBC speculating about what BC does next seeing as our number look
Pretty good compared to most other places. Especially the "transport childcare and education" sectors being looked at as areas to start opening again. I hope level heads prevail because the amount of kids my wife and I deal with at school who come to school sick during normal times is insane. Between parents forcing them to go (for both legitimate and pathetic reasons) and kids "being bored and missing their friends", it'll be such a shit show if they start sending us back too soon.

I feel like the main thrust of the article, as with most of Justin McElroy's work during this, has been that we're very lucky to be where we are and that we can't even begin to estimate when the next phase begins until we have significantly increased testing capacity. Although I do agree the optics of posting the article after a week-ish of slow spread is a little bad and frustrating.

SRG01 · Apr 11, 2020

Being in the upper-middle class, I'd rather have the payments be means tested in the other direction -- as in, exclude people who are earning above 50k or something. Set it up like the GST rebate.

If the government gives money to our tax bracket, we wouldn't even use it and it wouldn't be beneficial to us anyway.

DrEvil · Apr 11, 2020

SRG01 said:
Being in the upper-middle class, I'd rather have the payments be means tested in the other direction -- as in, exclude people who are earning above 50k or something. Set it up like the GST rebate.

If the government gives money to our tax bracket, we wouldn't even use it and it wouldn't be beneficial to us anyway.

Agreed, I have no use for anything extra as I'm thankfully still employed and able to work from home, lets ensure those who need it most get it somehow.

Nocturne · Apr 11, 2020

ensuring those who need it most get it generally involves no means testing at all

Liquid Plejades · Apr 11, 2020

parents of the kids that come to my daycare are getting so antsy. I got some more messages from them today saying "they still havent announced a delay. are you opening Monday?""

Their last minute announcements is making lot of people have anxiety

Kernel · Apr 11, 2020

I don't know why UBI doesn't just replace EI, OAS and welfare etc.

SRG01 said:
If the government gives money to our tax bracket, we wouldn't even use it and it wouldn't be beneficial to us anyway

You could presumably stick it in a savings/investment account and return it a year later and keep the interest or something.

Leeness · Apr 11, 2020

SRG01 said:
Being in the upper-middle class, I'd rather have the payments be means tested in the other direction -- as in, exclude people who are earning above 50k or something. Set it up like the GST rebate.

If the government gives money to our tax bracket, we wouldn't even use it and it wouldn't be beneficial to us anyway.

Same. I don't need anything right now, I'm thankful to still be working, etc. I'm donating to some places that I find who have set up requests.

This is still hard though because if it's contingent on income, then how do they figure it out if someone doesn't pay taxes?

Caz · Apr 11, 2020

So the OPCs are attempting to downplay how disproportionately CO-VID 19 has/is affecting marginalized people and visible minorities:

Morrigan · Apr 11, 2020

Lebon30 said:
So "just because kids aren't as vulnerable", they want to re-open schools. So, with this, Legault shows his true centre-right colors in this pandemic.

Okay, what the hell? That would be a huge mistake. FFS Legault, don't pull a De Blasio!

Liquid Plejades · Apr 11, 2020

oh, I guess they did delay things two more weeks, weird how i missed this during the press conference, maybe i spaced out

Province extends COVID-19 emergency orders until April 23

The Ford government has extended all emergency orders put in place under the Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act until April 23. The declaration, which was first put in place back on March 17, extends the closure of outdoor amenities in parks and recreational areas, non-essential...

toronto.citynews.ca

evrythngwastakn · Apr 11, 2020

iiicon said:
I feel like the main thrust of the article, as with most of Justin McElroy's work during this, has been that we're very lucky to be where we are and that we can't even begin to estimate when the next phase begins until we have significantly increased testing capacity. Although I do agree the optics of posting the article after a week-ish of slow spread is a little bad and frustrating.

not criticizing his writing, just sighing at the idea we'll start opening up soon or talking about it so soon? I'm hearing from families of kids I teach that there is a lot of lent up frustration, which is understandable for sure, that people want to be working or just not to have their kids cooped up at home.if you leave it up to people I think they'll do what's better for them, financially or for their sanity, so I'm hoping the government continues to be firm as I really don't want to have to send my kid back to daycare so I can babysit teenagers for a few weeks before summer. But I also get that I'm in a better position as I'm getting a paycheque for another three months (until im laid off as well).

NetMapel · Apr 11, 2020

Leeness
BC today is 35 new cases and 3 new deaths. As Dr Henry says, let us be calm and be kind to one another. Stay home and stay safe!

elty · Apr 11, 2020

Anyone think CERB is extremely stupid? I know some people will just make up some self employment income to make themselves qualified for free $2000. Meanwhile those who stay at their supermarket job got nothing except increase exposure.

Dongs Macabre · Apr 11, 2020

Raydonn said:
That's a big nope for me. People are very irresponsible with money, even the rich. They'll just all drive themselves into huge debts.
We're already hearing stories about how people who shouldn't get CERB are applying because "free money". I bet they'll whine, complain and make excuses when it comes time to actually pay any of it back.
I agree there should be UBI, but it can't be given out carte-blanche.

Also, while I understand some of the situations some people are in... The "students who weren't working" don't really have any room to complain because they weren't even scheduled to finish their school term yet. Meaning they weren't even going to work or try to get any money until June at the earliest. Maybe once June hits, and then you still can't find a job, you'll have a reason to complain. Until then, you guys are just also just complaining about "free money".

The school term ends this month for university students. Summer job season starts in May.

Deleted member 8901 · Apr 11, 2020

elty said:
Anyone think CERB is extremely stupid? I know some people will just make up some self employment income to make themselves qualified for free $2000. Meanwhile those who stay at their supermarket job got nothing except increase exposure.

Yup it's a pretty bad deal (right now) for people who have to continue working minimum wage jobs

capitalCORN · Apr 11, 2020

elty said:
Anyone think CERB is extremely stupid? I know some people will just make up some self employment income to make themselves qualified for free $2000. Meanwhile those who stay at their supermarket job got nothing except increase exposure.

Yes it's stupid but it placates the most vocal, those without shit to do.

NetMapel · Apr 11, 2020

SRG01 said:
Being in the upper-middle class, I'd rather have the payments be means tested in the other direction -- as in, exclude people who are earning above 50k or something. Set it up like the GST rebate.

If the government gives money to our tax bracket, we wouldn't even use it and it wouldn't be beneficial to us anyway.

I kind of feel the smart and fast thing to do is basically UBI blanket giver everybody who CRA has income tax record. Then when we do tax return next year, those with like 50k+ income in 2020 will just get that amount clawed back. I think it's the fastest and efficient way to give everybody help.

djkimothy · Apr 11, 2020

SRG01 said:
Being in the upper-middle class, I'd rather have the payments be means tested in the other direction -- as in, exclude people who are earning above 50k or something. Set it up like the GST rebate.

If the government gives money to our tax bracket, we wouldn't even use it and it wouldn't be beneficial to us anyway.

Yup. And we would have to pay back 8k at least by tax time next year. It would be a fucking shit show.

Anaron · Apr 11, 2020

I don't expect BC to keep it up when the amount of selfish assholes are filling the ferries this weekend

how was this allowed?

lupinko · Apr 11, 2020

Morrigan said:
Okay, what the hell? That would be a huge mistake. FFS Legault, don't pull a De Blasio!

I dunno can Legault dunk? De Blasio is crazy tall.

djkimothy · Apr 11, 2020

Anaron said:
I don't expect BC to keep it up when the amount of selfish assholes are filling the ferries this weekend

how was this allowed?

Wow. Get your shit together Horgan and fucking fine all those mother fuckers.

Lexxism · Apr 11, 2020

NTGYK said:
I ordered some KN95s from China for donations and for my employees, ordered some from Swaddle Designs for my employees as a reusable thing, and I pre-ordered a few of these from Closca: https://closca.com/products/closca-mask

Fucking love that design. It's ingenious. I wear a turban, so putting on masks with ear loops and shit over my beard and under my turban is such an annoying hassle. Would rather have a reusable one and this velcro one is good.

But in terms of what's available? Nada, can't find anything. My friend is sewing masks for people in her apartment haha

Those are some good looking mask but 15 euro for shipping and 20 euro for 5 pcs of masks. I don't know but I'm kinda tempted. Too bad that it will be shipped by May tho

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