It's the Green Party, there's still plenty of time for them to shit the bed one more time before Paul is forced out and lose another MP for no good reason. Never mind what might happen with her replacement.This is my greatest fear with Kitchener Centre likely swinging Green. Yeah, Morrice will likely do a competent job representing the region on committees but the incumbency effect could literally rob me of any agency in determining the prime minister of this country (or helping to prop up a progressive NDP opposition) for the next 20+ years.
I'm in Etobicoke-Lakeshore, will voting for NDP be a wasted vote?
No such thing as a wasted vote :)
Based on historical results, your riding is a safe Liberal one- they won with over 50% of the vote last time.
I mean Paul is going to irrelevant tomorrow because there's no way she wins her seat.It's the Green Party, there's still plenty of time for them to shit the bed one more time before Paul is forced out and lose another MP for no good reason. Never mind what might happen with her replacement.
Thanks :)I wouldn't think so, no. The Liberals won by over 50% of the vote in the last two elections, so I think its very unlikely the conservatives take it given how far behind they were. 338 Canada has them down as a Safe LPC seat.
There are no wasted votes when you vote your conscience and what you believe in.I'm in Etobicoke-Lakeshore, will voting for NDP be a wasted vote?
They're thinking that they need enough money to last until November or so, when their General Meeting was rescheduled for (postponed due to the election call). A LOT of hash is going to be settled there.I mean Paul is going to irrelevant tomorrow because there's no way she wins her seat.
The funny thing would be if May, as the only one left, basically has to take on the leadership again. But I honestly have no idea what the Green machinery would be thinking right now.
There are no wasted votes when you vote your conscience and what you believe in.
Voting your conscience is -by definition- wasting your vote. Arguably it's the only guaranteed way to do so. The vote does not care about your conscience. The ONLY thing that matters in an election, is who holds power after it is over. You either vote in such a way as to ensure the best outcome or you don't.
If your vote helps keep the Con/PPC out, you did right.
if it does anything else instead, the vote was wasted. You don't get extra good boy points for voting for someone who has no chance of winning and helping the bad guys win instead. In fact is kindof makes you a dick because you are prioritizing your ego over the well being of others.
Their take is bad for many reasons.Actually, if we go by that logic, if your candidate didn't win by exactly 1 vote then your single vote is wasted as it didn't make a difference. So maybe your take is just bad?
At least with the CPC dumpster fire, you'll eventually become the leader of Canada eventually. 10 years of a single party rule is going to turn into malaise, like it does anywhere. With the Greens, it's like inheriting a house from a distant family member that requires much more money to fix and sell than the house is actually worth. lolThey're thinking that they need enough money to last until November or so, when their General Meeting was rescheduled for (postponed due to the election call). A LOT of hash is going to be settled there.
Someone here who is Indigenous pointed out that voting CPC or Liberal is akin to voting for continued colonial oppression, so yes, there are people where it's not "the lesser of two evils" but an actual existential question and where it matters that they don't vote for one of the two default parties.Voting your conscience is -by definition- wasting your vote. Arguably it's the only guaranteed way to do so. The vote does not care about your conscience. The ONLY thing that matters in an election, is who holds power after it is over. You either vote in such a way as to ensure the best outcome or you don't.
If your vote helps keep the Con/PPC out, you did right.
if it does anything else instead, the vote was wasted. You don't get extra good boy points for voting for someone who has no chance of winning and helping the bad guys win instead. In fact is kindof makes you a dick because you are prioritizing your ego over the well being of others.
Actually, if we go by that logic, if your candidate didn't win by exactly 1 vote then your single vote is wasted as it didn't make a difference. So maybe your take is just bad?
First of all, your tone seems very hostile and you should maybe chill. Second of all, no, "if you vote for a candidate who won't win, you're wasting your vote" is a horrible take. I can understand people advocating for ABC strategic voting even if I don't agree with it, but to say that it's the morally right thing to do is absurd.Voting your conscience is -by definition- wasting your vote. Arguably it's the only guaranteed way to do so. The vote does not care about your conscience. The ONLY thing that matters in an election, is who holds power after it is over. You either vote in such a way as to ensure the best outcome or you don't.
If your vote helps keep the Con/PPC out, you did right.
if it does anything else instead, the vote was wasted. You don't get extra good boy points for voting for someone who has no chance of winning and helping the bad guys win instead. In fact is kindof makes you a dick because you are prioritizing your ego over the well being of others.
Actually, if we go by that logic, if your candidate didn't win by exactly 1 vote then your single vote is wasted as it didn't make a difference. So maybe your take is just bad?
'Voting my conscience' is just a fancy way for privileged people who won't be affected by a bad government,
Voting your conscience is -by definition- wasting your vote. Arguably it's the only guaranteed way to do so. The vote does not care about your conscience. The ONLY thing that matters in an election, is who holds power after it is over. You either vote in such a way as to ensure the best outcome or you don't.
If your vote helps keep the Con/PPC out, you did right.
if it does anything else instead, the vote was wasted. You don't get extra good boy points for voting for someone who has no chance of winning and helping the bad guys win instead. In fact is kindof makes you a dick because you are prioritizing your ego over the well being of others.
And since we have no way to tell how much candidates win or lose by, any 1 vote could be the one that makes the difference.
'Voting my conscience' is just a fancy way for privileged people who won't be affected by a bad government, to pat themselves on the back for putting others at risk. It's accellerationist garbage at BEST, thinly veiled hostility at the groups you KNOW a conservative government will target at worst.
The cons held power for a decade with less than 40% of the popular vote. You think they gave a shit that a portion of the electorate valued warm fuzzies over defeating them?
This shit isn't a game. People's lives are literally at risk here. You are either doing everything you can to ensure the highest probability that the bad guys don't win, or you are helping them.
Voting your conscience is -by definition- wasting your vote. Arguably it's the only guaranteed way to do so. The vote does not care about your conscience. The ONLY thing that matters in an election, is who holds power after it is over. You either vote in such a way as to ensure the best outcome or you don't.
If your vote helps keep the Con/PPC out, you did right.
if it does anything else instead, the vote was wasted. You don't get extra good boy points for voting for someone who has no chance of winning and helping the bad guys win instead. In fact is kindof makes you a dick because you are prioritizing your ego over the well being of others.
Such a rare, nice thing to actually live in a riding where you feel your vote "matters" and could potentially genuinely shift the outcome.Just voted NDP here in Regina. My riding actually has a chance to flip from Conservative- > NDP this time so it will be exciting to see how things go.
That being said, if you're in a swing riding, voting strategically is important. My riding has been Liberal since the 90s and isn't going to change now so I can vote for whoever I want.
He was probably joking in his mind. I have lots of customers who "joke" about the same thing and do the fake cough.Went to vote. Went smoothly, except for one guy who came up to the voting booth next to mine right as I was handing my vote saying "Can I still vote even though I have Covid? I REFUSE TO GIVE INTO FEAR!"
Jesus christ. I got the hell out of there. Thankfully I was masked and am fully vaccinated, but fuuuuuck.
Nope, QC. I really hope he was joking. Lots of older people were around and while they're statistically likely to be vaccinated, it's still pretty scary with Delta around. Caused a bit of a commotion, though I didn't get to see how things ended since I noped out quickly.He was probably joking in his mind. I have lots of customers who "joke" about the same thing and do the fake cough.
Let me guess, you are in Alberta?
Lucky you. And as long as nothing unexpected happens you are 100% right. History would suggest that your position is very safe bet. Not everyone has such good odds. And even with the best odds, sometimes the crazy unexpacted things happen. The odds of a failed reality tv show host becoming the most powerful person in the world because despite losing by 4 millions votes he got 40 thousand more votes in exactly the right places was also crazy unlikely.
I moved super recently. I have my voting card but it's not for my riding. My drivers license doesn't say my new address either. How do I vote?
Election margins matter and in whose favor the margins are, MPs in close ridings who have to win over votes will change their positions to win over other parties voters.Voting your conscience is -by definition- wasting your vote. Arguably it's the only guaranteed way to do so. The vote does not care about your conscience. The ONLY thing that matters in an election, is who holds power after it is over. You either vote in such a way as to ensure the best outcome or you don't.
If your vote helps keep the Con/PPC out, you did right.
if it does anything else instead, the vote was wasted. You don't get extra good boy points for voting for someone who has no chance of winning and helping the bad guys win instead. In fact is kindof makes you a dick because you are prioritizing your ego over the well being of others.
I have many Facebook friends voting PPC. Any of the ones against the vaccines.Who voted for PPC? I can at least understand Conservative, but PPC!?
Who voted for PPC? I can at least understand Conservative, but PPC!?
And since we have no way to tell how much candidates win or lose by, any 1 vote could be the one that makes the difference.
'Voting my conscience' is just a fancy way for privileged people who won't be affected by a bad government, to pat themselves on the back for putting others at risk. It's accellerationist garbage at BEST, thinly veiled hostility at the groups you KNOW a conservative government will target at worst.
The cons held power for a decade with less than 40% of the popular vote. You think they gave a shit that a portion of the electorate valued warm fuzzies over defeating them?
This shit isn't a game. People's lives are literally at risk here. You are either doing everything you can to ensure the highest probability that the bad guys don't win, or you are helping them.
I have a second question from my previous one quoted below. My partner also moved with me, but they don't have their voting card. Is it still sufficient for them just to bring the lease? They need proof of citizenship like a drivers license and provincial ID?
Yes thanks. Gosh this is frustrating to read.Here come the liberals shaming NDP voters when they almost never reciprocate in ridings where the NDP are competitive.
Thanks a bunch. It's cool if their ID address doesn't match their bill address though?If you don't have a voting card you need a photo ID and proof of address. So a drivers liscence and bill to your address with your name on it would work fine
NDP voters in a competitive Liberal / Conservative ridings frustrate me. You're just cutting off your nose to spite your face. I don't think there's a better example of that.
I have many Facebook friends voting PPC. Any of the ones against the vaccines.
NDP voters in a competitive Liberal / Conservative ridings frustrate me. You're just cutting off your nose to spite your face. I don't think there's a better example of that.
Proof of id and address (list in the link):I have a second question from my previous one quoted below. My partner also moved with me, but they don't have their voting card. Is it still sufficient for them just to bring the lease? They need proof of citizenship like a drivers license and provincial ID?
And it goes both ways. West of Ontario, there are probably far more NDP-CON ridings than LIB-CON, and many of them would swing NDP if the LPC voters would strategically vote. I live in one of them (Regina Lewvan).
Nah, I believe in strong multi-party system. Even if it's just by popular vote, I gotta show support for it, and support for their ideas.
If a CPC majority was a possibility, I might have second thoughts though. Seems incredibly unlikely this time.
Thanks a bunch. It's cool if their ID address doesn't match their bill address though?