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djkimothy

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,456
Alberta is going to Alberta.



The pipe is going to get built but not because of Kenney.

More fodder for Scheer's ousting.

 
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lunarworks

Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,169
Toronto
It'll push.. REFOOOORRRRRRRRMMMMMM!
Alberta:
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Heshinsi

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,093
PPC is virtually dead, Maximime Bernier is a crappy communicator and has zero smarts in political strategy.

Can't compare that to the Reform Party that had Oil Money flowing throw it

No I'm asking if the CPC drop their core belief in social conservatism, and stick to whatever they'd call fiscal conservatism, where would all the social conservatives go?
 

DarthWalden

Prophet of Truth
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
6,030
Sounds very delusional. Also, this whole "divided country" bullshit narrative is so obviously heavily pushed by Alberta/Saskatchewan. I don't believe this thing is taken seriously anywhere else across the country.

That's because else is just like "lol, stupid Albertans" which probably just feeds into the narrative.
 

gutter_trash

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
17,124
Montreal
The media is hugely to blame for parroting Reform Party talking points.

Where I live, people barely spoke about the campaign and nobody is mad about the results. Shit got really calm, super calm quick 1 week in after election day

Albertans and Sascartoons need to brush up on history.

Rupert's Land was sold to Canada by the Hudson's Bay Company. Then divided up into arbitrary provinces that are just regional administrative lands
 
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Heshinsi

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,093
The guy who was a cabinet minister in the government that tabled the current formula for equalisation payments, pretends to not know how equalisation payments work 🤔

Also, a former Speaker of the House of Commons (Scheer), pretends to not know parliamentary rules in regards to what happens if the 170 seat threshold isn't reached by any one party 🤔

Why are they allowed to get away with this shit?
 

orochi91

Member
Oct 26, 2017
9,819
Canada
The guy who was a cabinet minister in the government that tabled the current formula for equalisation payments, pretends to not know how equalisation payments work 🤔

Also, a former Speaker of the House of Commons (Scheer), pretends to not know parliamentary rules in regards to what happens if the 170 seat threshold isn't reached by any one party 🤔

Why are they allowed to get away with this shit?
Better yet, why are the LPC not slinging shit as well?

I don't see any reason to concede social media hostility; Left-Wing parties need to learn how to ATTACK, and consistently too.
 

Heshinsi

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,093
Better yet, why are the LPC not slinging shit as well?

I don't see any reason to concede social media hostility; Left-Wing parties need to learn how to ATTACK, and consistently too.

The fact that they think the "high-road" is to not engage when lies and feigned ignorance are being thrown around, is stupid to me in that when you don't confront this bullshit head on, it allows gullible people to start thinking this stuff is real.
 

orochi91

Member
Oct 26, 2017
9,819
Canada
LPC is not a Left Wing Party, they are a Big Tent: Centre-Left/ Centre Party
Regardless, they shouldn't be complacent on this front.

CPC need to be attacked hard and frequently.

The fact that they think the "high-road" is to not engage when lies and feigned ignorance are being thrown around, is stupid to me in that when you don't confront this bullshit head on, it allows gullible people to start thinking this stuff is real.
Precisely.

ABC is a powerful voting strategy and the public needs to be aware of CPC bullshit, at all times, in order to make it even more effective,
 

gutter_trash

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
17,124
Montreal
Elba is probably visiting Ubisoft

He was the voice and face of Rainbow 6 Siege prior release



St-Viateur bagels is just 3 minutes away
 
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cameron

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
23,823


Saudi Arabia still owes about $3.4 billion in late payments for Canadian-produced Light Armoured Vehicles (LAVs), according to the latest quarterly financial results released by General Dynamics last week.
The Liberal government endorsed a controversial deal, made by the previous Conservative government in 2014, to supply the Saudis with hundreds of LAV 6.0 advanced combat vehicles used to transport troops on the battlefield.
The LAVs are wheeled military vehicles armed with various weapons, including automatic cannons, machine guns, mortars and anti-tank missiles. They're being produced by General Dynamics Land Systems-Canada (GDLS-C) at its plant in London, Ontario.
The roughly $14-billion contract was brokered and is being managed by the Canadian Commercial Corporation (CCC), a Crown corporation that helps Canadian companies in aerospace, defence, infrastructure and other sectors land contracts with foreign governments.
According to General Dynamics' quarterly earnings statements, the Saudi late payment debt has been growing by $200 million every quarter since the beginning of the year.
According to CCC's website, "every contract signed has the legal effect of being signed in the name of the Government of Canada, providing foreign government buyers with the assurance that the contract will be delivered per the agreed terms and conditions, guaranteed."
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That arrangement means that the exporting company acts as a subcontractor and gets paid by the federal government — once Ottawa receives payment from the foreign purchaser.
During a third-quarter earnings call with market analysts on Oct. 23, General Dynamics Corp chairperson and CEO Phebe Novakovic admitted that the payments from Saudi Arabia "have remained slow."
"There's no dispute on the fact that it is owed," Novakovic said. "It's simply a question of timing. And we're still hopeful that we resolve that by the end of the year."
However, it's not clear whether Canadian taxpayers might be on the hook for any interest and late payment fees accrued by the Saudis, according to experts.
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David Perry is vice president of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, an independent foreign policy think-tank. He said the problem with late payments has been known for a while — but experts were surprised by their sheer scope of the unpaid sum.
"Ultimately, right now, it's not the government of Canada in the short term that is on the hook. It's not the taxpayers. It's actually the company that's facing the impact of this payment shortfall more so than taxpayers," Perry said.
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To help General Dynamics deal with the financial shortfall, the federal government announced on Aug. 16 that it would provide a repayable loan of up to $650 million to the company as it "navigates a challenging and dynamic international defence market," officials with Global Affairs Canada said in an email.
On that same date, the federal government announced its intention to acquire 360 LAVs for the Canadian Armed Forces, which already operate a fleet of older LAV models. The $1.7-billion contract was formally awarded to General Dynamics on Sept. 5.
Work has begun on the program and General Dynamics expects to begin deliveries to the Canadian military in the first quarter of 2021, Novakovic said.
"The loan issue is a bit curious because there has been, as best as I can tell, absolutely no information put out about what specifically that's for," Perry said. "It seems very much like it's tied in to this deal with Saudi Arabia."
The deal for the purchase of 360 LAVs for the Canadian military could be linked to the wider deal to sell these combat systems to Saudi Arabia and the late payment issue, Perry said.
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It's not clear why the oil-rich kingdom is late in its payments. Saudi officials did not respond to Radio Canada International's request for comment on the matter.
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However, despite the diplomatic crisis and criticism of the deal by human rights and civil society groups in Canada, the Liberal government has refused to cancel the LAV deal with Saudi Arabia.
Freeland has said that a review of all export permits to Saudi Arabia is ongoing and no final decision has been made. During this review, no new permits have been issued, she said.
According to Global Affairs Canada statistics, Saudi Arabia was Canada's largest non-U.S. destination for military exports in 2018, receiving approximately $1.2 billion in Canadian product.
That accounts for nearly 62 per cent of the total value of non-U.S. military exports by Canadian defence companies, according to the annual Report on Exports of Military Goods from Canada published by Global Affairs.
 

Gabbo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,567


Saudi Arabia still owes about $3.4 billion in late payments for Canadian-produced Light Armoured Vehicles (LAVs), according to the latest quarterly financial results released by General Dynamics last week.
The Liberal government endorsed a controversial deal, made by the previous Conservative government in 2014, to supply the Saudis with hundreds of LAV 6.0 advanced combat vehicles used to transport troops on the battlefield.
The LAVs are wheeled military vehicles armed with various weapons, including automatic cannons, machine guns, mortars and anti-tank missiles. They're being produced by General Dynamics Land Systems-Canada (GDLS-C) at its plant in London, Ontario.
The roughly $14-billion contract was brokered and is being managed by the Canadian Commercial Corporation (CCC), a Crown corporation that helps Canadian companies in aerospace, defence, infrastructure and other sectors land contracts with foreign governments.
According to General Dynamics' quarterly earnings statements, the Saudi late payment debt has been growing by $200 million every quarter since the beginning of the year.
According to CCC's website, "every contract signed has the legal effect of being signed in the name of the Government of Canada, providing foreign government buyers with the assurance that the contract will be delivered per the agreed terms and conditions, guaranteed."
--------------------------------
That arrangement means that the exporting company acts as a subcontractor and gets paid by the federal government — once Ottawa receives payment from the foreign purchaser.
During a third-quarter earnings call with market analysts on Oct. 23, General Dynamics Corp chairperson and CEO Phebe Novakovic admitted that the payments from Saudi Arabia "have remained slow."
"There's no dispute on the fact that it is owed," Novakovic said. "It's simply a question of timing. And we're still hopeful that we resolve that by the end of the year."
However, it's not clear whether Canadian taxpayers might be on the hook for any interest and late payment fees accrued by the Saudis, according to experts.
--------------------------------
David Perry is vice president of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, an independent foreign policy think-tank. He said the problem with late payments has been known for a while — but experts were surprised by their sheer scope of the unpaid sum.
"Ultimately, right now, it's not the government of Canada in the short term that is on the hook. It's not the taxpayers. It's actually the company that's facing the impact of this payment shortfall more so than taxpayers," Perry said.
--------------------------------
To help General Dynamics deal with the financial shortfall, the federal government announced on Aug. 16 that it would provide a repayable loan of up to $650 million to the company as it "navigates a challenging and dynamic international defence market," officials with Global Affairs Canada said in an email.
On that same date, the federal government announced its intention to acquire 360 LAVs for the Canadian Armed Forces, which already operate a fleet of older LAV models. The $1.7-billion contract was formally awarded to General Dynamics on Sept. 5.
Work has begun on the program and General Dynamics expects to begin deliveries to the Canadian military in the first quarter of 2021, Novakovic said.
"The loan issue is a bit curious because there has been, as best as I can tell, absolutely no information put out about what specifically that's for," Perry said. "It seems very much like it's tied in to this deal with Saudi Arabia."
The deal for the purchase of 360 LAVs for the Canadian military could be linked to the wider deal to sell these combat systems to Saudi Arabia and the late payment issue, Perry said.
--------------------------------
It's not clear why the oil-rich kingdom is late in its payments. Saudi officials did not respond to Radio Canada International's request for comment on the matter.
--------------------------------
However, despite the diplomatic crisis and criticism of the deal by human rights and civil society groups in Canada, the Liberal government has refused to cancel the LAV deal with Saudi Arabia.
Freeland has said that a review of all export permits to Saudi Arabia is ongoing and no final decision has been made. During this review, no new permits have been issued, she said.
According to Global Affairs Canada statistics, Saudi Arabia was Canada's largest non-U.S. destination for military exports in 2018, receiving approximately $1.2 billion in Canadian product.
That accounts for nearly 62 per cent of the total value of non-U.S. military exports by Canadian defence companies, according to the annual Report on Exports of Military Goods from Canada published by Global Affairs.

The question is will Trudeau be the one to take the markdown and the eventual public beating in the media and question period for it, or will the blame for this finally be placed on the shitheels responsible for it?
 

Hours Left

Member
Oct 26, 2017
18,421
I don't get Mayor Nenshi. He was calling out the Liberals on election night, but now he's airing his grievances against the UPC's horrific budget. What did he think was going to happen?

I feel like his idea of what Alberta is doesn't actually exist.
 

prophetvx

Member
Nov 28, 2017
5,332
I don't get Mayor Nenshi. He was calling out the Liberals on election night, but now he's airing his grievances against the UPC's horrific budget. What did he think was going to happen?

I feel like his idea of what Alberta is doesn't actually exist.
It's possible to air your grievances about both, without being necessarily a supporter of either.

Nenshi isn't a conservative and UCP gutted some major funding for Calgary, of course he's going to be pissed off. He's been the elected mayor for almost 10 years now, although his support has slipped heavily with ballooning business and property taxes, you don't stay mayor for that long if you don't understand your electorate.
 

Hours Left

Member
Oct 26, 2017
18,421
It's possible to air your grievances about both, without being necessarily a supporter of either.

Nenshi isn't a conservative and UCP gutted some major funding for Calgary, of course he's going to be pissed off.
But he's not a progressive either. In fact, it's hard to say exactly just what his priorities are.

The way he totally dismissed the plights of the various indigenous communities in regards to the pipeline on the CBC election night broadcast was really gross.

You can be critical of different ideologies, but unless you're putting something out there to take the place of them, it's just useless "both sides" fence sitting.