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BAD

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Like... the see through glass screens are a legibility nightmare they think looks cool and makes a set easier to film through right? Do they know it is pretty impractical and unlikely in most use cases, but are just trying to be cool with people who don't think about it?

And holograms where the light is just projecting in mid air isn't a thing either as far as I can imagine. Like a droid couldn't just come and use light to show you something 3D midair...

Which leads me to: I find it annoying so many projection techniques are being called holograms when they're really just using glass, various gas or fog, or physical beads to project on in a contained space. Most of them are made of some 2D reflections on glass like the dumb ones where a celeb like Elvis performs on stage but it's just a video reflection. And the 3D ones often need special gas or molecules or beads being suspended in a box or glass to show up.

Feels like those electric skateboards being called a "hoverboard" for no reason at all.

I know, some of you will just say "forgive everything because sci-fi is fake and much of it is impossible in general!" To that I say, I still wish they'd do better.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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The phones in The Expanse are the dumbest shit because you could no longer watch porn in public on your phone. People would just see what you're ogling through the other side. Shit technology idea, 2/10.
 

Vestal

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Oct 26, 2017
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We haven't invented/perfected the technology but I'd be willing to bet all of this is possible and can be made practical.
 

Mathieran

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Oct 25, 2017
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Who knows. Ask people 50 years ago if we would be walking around with smartphones in our pockets and they might say the same thing
 

BDS

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Oct 25, 2017
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The phones in The Expanse are the dumbest shit because you could no longer watch porn in public on your phone. People would just see what you're ogling through the other side. Shit technology idea, 2/10.

Amos would totally just be sitting there in a common area watching porn on his phone in full view of everyone else and be like ".........what?"
 

Gwarm

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Nov 13, 2017
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I'm going to handwave the holograms by saying they utilize some form of quantum entanglement to keep the light from moving beyond that point. The clear screens are just there to look cool because they would be a nightmare to actually use.
 

Platy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Are you saying this about a franchise that basically relies on the existence of lightsabers, right?
 

Volimar

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Oct 25, 2017
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As if people don't already choose style over functionality.


Also I'm old enough to remember when people thought the PADD from Star Trek looked dumb and thought no one would carry around a toy like that.
 

Bio

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Oct 27, 2017
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You didn't address the whole OP! I'm also annoyed with hologram and hoverboard being used to describe any random new projection or electric skateboard

I'm too busy being upset that some of these movies feature spaceships providing luxury travel at faster-than-light speed. What kind of morons do they take us for?!
 

MajesticSoup

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Which leads me to: I find it annoying so many projection techniques are being called holograms when they're really just using glass, various gas or fog, or physical beads to project on in a contained space. Most of them are made of some 2D reflections on glass like the dumb ones where a celeb like Elvis performs on stage but it's just a video reflection. And the 3D ones often need special gas or molecules or beads being suspended in a box or glass to show up.
So what in your opinion, is a hologram?
 

Mr Jones

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Oct 25, 2017
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Because hazy blue or green transparent imagery is cool.

Because it is a way of being able to show the character interacting with technology, and show both what they are working on, and their reactions to what it is they're working on.

Because it takes less time cutting to the actors face, then cutting back to the interface on a non-transparent screen.


Case in point. Think about how they show folks texting to each other. The words are now floating in a bubble next to the character, because that's allows for more reaction from the actor, as opposed to cutting to the phone screen.
 

Carn

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Oct 27, 2017
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I thought the same when I saw Minority Report for the first time. I mean, it looks cool that you can sort of physically interact with 3d holograms, but who wants to wave around with his arms and hands all day to get shit done? I mean, the least movement/distance we have to cross to get a result would be desirable.
 

8byte

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The reason for this, largely, is actually for viewer experience. It allows the viewer to imagine and visualize what is happening in the software UI, while still allowing the director to experiment with interesting camera angles and more dynamic camera work. Without these fantasy elements, we'd have a LOT of over the shoulder footage of people working on computers (so you can see the screen) or the alternative (not seeing the screen at all).

It's not meant to be realistic, or even pratical. It's literally just meant so that the viewer can have a tangible visualization while giving the director more flexibility. That's it.

There's actually a really good podcast that details this very issue, called Wireframe.
 

Fisty

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Oct 25, 2017
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Maybe R2 emits a small puff of nano-tech gas to emit the projection onto. You just arent being imaginative enough, OP
 

kubev

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Oct 25, 2017
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You didn't address the whole OP! I'm also annoyed with hologram and hoverboard being used to describe any random new projection or electric skateboard
Yeah, while I generally think the modern version of a lot of things is inferior to the old version in many cases, I think the fact that we've settled on 'hoverboard' well before any legitimate consumer-ready hoverboard has been released is especially sad. It's like we've just given up on that dream altogether.
 

Keywork

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Oct 25, 2017
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LG sells a 55 inch transparent display and you can buy it online, right now, through B&H Photo for $25,500. Granted it is only 38% transparency, but the technology does exist. You can also buy a PC case that has a transparent screen as its side panel. But you do bring up a good point about how viable they would be on a flying aircraft carrier that can cloak itself.
 

Volimar

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Imagine how futuristic people swiping tindr on their phones look to people from 30 years ago.
 

Pilgrimzero

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Wait wait, Superman has laser eyes, cold breath, and is super strong... and he can fly? FLY?!?! That's just to far.
 
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BAD

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So what in your opinion, is a hologram?
I mean, at the very least, the most widely used definition in dictionaries involves 3D laser projection. But many being called that aren't 3D at all and are really just clever 2D viewing planes like glass, or use volumes of gas to imitate 3D.
I'm not denying the screens exist, I'm saying that there's no indication anyone wants them to become the dominant style of screen in any place of work.
 

Alice

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Nov 2, 2017
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Like... we're already almost there, OP. Why not pick on something that's actually unrealistic?
 

imbarkus

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not denying the screens exist, I'm saying that there's no indication anyone wants them to become the dominant style of screen in any place of work.

In the 70's and 80's all our sci-fi movies dressed their sets with regular 4:3 CRTs everywhere, on the assumption the display technology of the time would just... proliferate into 4:3 curved screen everywhere, but never change.

These movies are all dated now. So at least these modern movies aren't all just showing 16:9 4K screens and expecting me to believe society stopped there.
 
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I thought the same when I saw Minority Report for the first time. I mean, it looks cool that you can sort of physically interact with 3d holograms, but who wants to wave around with his arms and hands all day to get shit done? I mean, the least movement/distance we have to cross to get a result would be desirable.

But he doesn't do that all day, only when there's a murder reported by the precogs. And John had gotten so good at controlling the interface that it looks way faster than what you could do with a mouse, and speed is extremely important for preventing a murder.
 

Baji Boxer

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Oct 27, 2017
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The tech already exists in preliminary forms.

The hologram thing I've come across, where it's truly into the air like Star Wars (maybe better than Star Wars), is done with lasers and tiny dust like particles which could be projected and retracted like a tracter beam. The energy from the lasers somehow makes the particles not fall to the earth from gravity. Not sure how, as my physics knowlege is fairly basic lol.

The clear displays is 100% a thing already, but probably not practical for a number of uses. The problems would be solved if the transparent screen is turned opaque depending on what you want to do. I think the window that turns into a display monitor already exists in some form, actually.
 

EarlGreyHot

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Oct 27, 2017
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Transparent televisions and such seem hilariously impractical.

Holograms will be a thing someday I'm sure of it.
 

Servbot24

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Anyone feel like some of the aliens in these sci-fi movies aren't actually real? Like why have we never seen pictures of them outside of movies?
 

NekoFever

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Oct 25, 2017
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Transparent screens are pretty much there, but the only reason they're commonplace in film is because they're more visually interesting and convey more information than the opaque black rectangle of the rear of most monitors.