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Can we not call objectification and sexualization “fan service”?
- Thread starter tarantullama
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What's "funny" about the term being used for objectification in games is that it's not even accurate in general when talking Japanese games. The characters in for example Senran Kagura or Onechanbara are not sexualized for their fans, they are sexualized to create fans. They had no fans before they were sexualized and wouldn't have any if they weren't. I can understand someone using it if Nintendo puts Peach in a bikini because she has fans and it would be for the fans thinking she is hot but that's not always the case when talking "fan service".
Anything which is added to a show which is not strictly necessary but is "cool" is fan service.
Examples include:
Mecha launch sequences
Using special abilities in a fight
Characters transforming
Not denying that fan service has it's sleezy side (the beach episode etc.) but the term has a wider meaning.
Examples include:
Mecha launch sequences
Using special abilities in a fight
Characters transforming
Not denying that fan service has it's sleezy side (the beach episode etc.) but the term has a wider meaning.
Oh for sure, I just meant anyone who makes a thread in this vein is surely aware this is what will happen
Why would you stigmatize people like that. Your comment is very ironic juxtaposed to OPs post.
It's not the word of god, but Urban Dictionary's earliest terms for it are all pervy.
And it will do until fans of the more normalised stuff stop doing a Trump on racism and call it out for what it is. Fucking disgusting.
I think it's pretty clear that people disagree on what "fanservice" actually means:
We've evolved two mostly separate definitions of the term, and arguably it's the "callbacks to previous works and fan favourite characters" definition that's the original one.
Either way, often when we have discussions about fanservice, people often have to clarify which one they're talking about. For example, the recent Atelier spin-off Nelke and the Legendary Alchemists is basically all about fanservice, in that it brings together tons of characters from nearly all the games in the franchise. But it also contains basically no fanservice of the sexual T&A kind. Just saying "Nelke has lots of fanservice" or "Nelke has no fanservice" isn't really very descriptive.
"Easter egg" often implies one-off gags or references, and fanservice can often be more than that. Also, "easter egg" has its own meaning that doesn't necessarily require references to related works (ex. Vanity Fair put the Konami code on their website once as an easter egg, and the two are otherwise completely unrelated).
Seems like a pointless ask. Its framing.
People who want to give the harshest assessment wont call it fan service, people who want to downplay it wont call it objectification.
Both are correct, but frame it differently. It's hair splitting
People who want to give the harshest assessment wont call it fan service, people who want to downplay it wont call it objectification.
Both are correct, but frame it differently. It's hair splitting
You're right, much better to support an industry that preys on young women like porn
From your own quote
But yeah, it's also Urban Dictionary so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
NGE was also the first title that came to my mind.
Mecha fanservice is a popular one as well. NGE has both.
Words can be powerful and they can also be impotent. Pretty much everyone here already knows what fanservice means, and names that by a cheeky moniker like fanservice or in more serious terms, betraying their feelings on the matter just like that. Call it cheesecake or whatever you will, but most everyone here understands that it means gratuitous sexualization and is not appreciated by many here.
"Fan service" the way I see used now as just "stuff fans like" is so broad of a term that it becomes useless. I saw people describe Avengers Endgame, the entire movie, as fan service because it's full of callbacks and moments people want to see.
I always took fanservice as a big term, to refer to any kind of either cool Easter eggs or any kind of sexualization.
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You're making an insane assumption and shoving a user into the spotlight for no reason lol. Unless there's a specific post I missed, he just has a hobby of collecting games, figures, and other stuff.
I think the term came from the idea that devs think that such sexualization appeals to fans. But yeah, I can join in on dropping the term in favor of simply calling such cases objectification & sexualization.
Quoted Lady Bow below cuz yeah when you're into creepy stuff, it tends to get identified as such.
It's also funny that your post devolved into defending this stuff by saying the porn industry has its problems too. Like yeah it totally does and we should call out it's creepiness too, not use it to defend the creep we like.
To be fair, I do believe the term fanservice originated from anime and manga. It was around before this, but I think Misato's voiceovers in Evangelion really spread the term to a wider audience of American nerds (myself included). Easter eggs to me are just easter eggs.
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Naw. Don't post your $55K anime collection and ask everyone if you're crazy unless you're ok being the poster child for crazy anime fans.
My bad ill just outright call people creeps next time
You're free to dislike whatever you want but calling someone creepy for stuff they do in their own time is a bit much
Yeah, fanservice as a term seeks to hide or make nice what's actually happening. That term is a warning bell in my head now.
I'm disgusted by Loli crap. I have shit tons of lewd anime figures. You do realize there's only a small overlap between the two demographics right?
Imagine my utter shock when I discovered what the meaning of "fan service" really is.
Consider this another vote for finding another way to describe whatever the hell that thing is.
Consider this another vote for finding another way to describe whatever the hell that thing is.
Im in the mood to call you a nonce going from those past posts nevermind a creep. My word.
I gave you every opportunity to call that stuff out, even gave you a lead in to reply that it's disgusting yet you preferred to ignore that and focus on something entirely different. Whilst not only asking you to reflect on your words you then decide to ignore that as well and try to make it seem like others are in the wrong.
There are people here with more expensive game collections, how is that less crazy?
Doing sometbing in your own time doesn't make it not creepy or free from criticism on a forum. If you're into media that sexualizes young looking girls then you're a creep. If that doesn't apply to you, then what's your problem?
Yes, it's needs to go! It's so gross to look at women like it's object, it makes me so sad when i see that shit. sexualization okay for porn (or right moments.) but not otherwise. This doesn't mean sexy characters cannot be done it can but with respectfull way not as object with weird camera angles on them. If a woman showing her body, sexualizated herself to please people for money or not now that's okay and we should not shame anyone but who except every fucking game or other stuff to objectification and sexualization women like they are only there for dick pleased must to stop and who doing it must look wtf are they doing, we are human in here, not animals so use brains, fucking educate yourself and listen women what they say for a moment god dammit.
This thread is great for that: https://www.resetera.com/threads/wh...ave-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/
This thread is great for that: https://www.resetera.com/threads/wh...ave-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/
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Glad you made this thread. I hear that term tossed around on podcasts a lot and it's total male bs.
because in their mind its more acceptable than stuff that is anime related .
Your complaint might make sense if this wasn't a fucking video game forum. Nerds hating on nerds.
User banned (2 weeks): hostility towards concerns around sexualisation, account in junior phase
This thread is garbage OP. On the one hand you attempt to stand for something but at the same time stigmatize and belittle others who enjoy this art. FOH
That's also real crazy lol but their game collections would be way crazier if half of them of them featured sexualized young girls.
Someone being really into space is a nerd.
Someone really into video games is a nerd.
Someone really into cars is a nerd.
Someone into sexualized depictions of young girls is a creep.
No the true answer is that we need more male fanservice GIVE ME BEEKCAKE
Edit: Also fuck anyone try to shame the dude from the collection thread there is nothing wrong or creepy about buying lwed figures for your own private life, some of you seriously think like anything anime = child.
Or at lest translate them more often
Edit: Also fuck anyone try to shame the dude from the collection thread there is nothing wrong or creepy about buying lwed figures for your own private life, some of you seriously think like anything anime = child.
Um...the OP doesn't belittle the art. They're just saying fanservice as a term is masking what's actually happening.
Not all fanservice is sexual though. I'm sure plenty of others have said so, but it can refer to a multitude of things.