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Rex Griswold

Member
Oct 29, 2017
221
The prevailing narrative from the boomers and right leaning people I have on my social media seems to have become "America is being destroyed and Trump was the last hope!".

I don't understand it, can anyone please break it down like I'm five? Like, what America were these people living in. Is it because rich people are going to get taxed more? Something about your 401k? Can't just be openly racist? Black and brown people are still considered humans? No wall after all?

What is this conservative utopia that Biden and Harris are about to destroy?
 

skillzilla81

Self-requested temporary ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,043
White people want to be oppressed, so they project everything we're (actual groups impacted by systemic issues) going through onto themselves.
 

Servbot24

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
43,052
The prevailing narrative from the boomers and right leaning people I have on my social media seems to have become "America is being destroyed and Trump was the last hope!".

I don't understand it, can anyone please break it down like I'm five? Like, what America were these people living in. Is it because rich people are going to get taxed more? Something about your 401k? Can't just be openly racist? Black and brown people are still considered humans? No wall after all?

What is this conservative utopia that Biden and Harris are about to destroy?
I don't really know, and they never have an answer when I ask them. Sometimes they say "Socialism", but they have no idea what socialism actually is or what Biden's stance on socialism is. There is also the popular Republican lie about raising taxes for most Americans that gained a lot of steam.
 

Avitus

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,898
White people are afraid that minorities have a voice and are increasingly playing an important part in elections. Change is super scary to these folks.
 

nsilvias

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,702
by treating minorities like human beings and wanting to make things better for everyone not just white people
 
Oct 28, 2017
13,691
The prevailing narrative from the boomers and right leaning people I have on my social media seems to have become "America is being destroyed and Trump was the last hope!".

I don't understand it, can anyone please break it down like I'm five? Like, what America were these people living in. Is it because rich people are going to get taxed more? Something about your 401k? Can't just be openly racist? Black and brown people are still considered humans? No wall after all?

What is this conservative utopia that Biden and Harris are about to destroy?
Joe Biden is just a normal neoliberal democrat ... that kind that's existed for decades and no one had a problem with. The rhetoric from the Right about him and the kind of president he would be just tells how off the spectrum they are. They all said the same shit about Obama.
 

Burly

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,069
A significant number of people born in the 1950's and 60's can't outgrow the "those damn commies are going to get us!" that they were taught as a kid. And they want to go back to the myth of a "Leave It To Beaver" America.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
13,520
There is nothing. It's just baseless fearmongering from a bunch of losers who have been running rough shot and killing this country, literally and figuratively blatantly for 4+ years now. They're SCARED now. They took off the mask and not just the one that's supposed to save their lives and others, and they're afraid of facing the consequences for it.

There is going be be a bunch of grifters who don't truly understand the weight of what they've said, done and supported. There's gonna be a lot of "this you?" coming up. They don't get to hop across the isle, they need to earn it. No empathy. No benefit of the doubt. Because they wanted us fucking DEAD. They will do this again once it's safe(er) to be a bigot in this country again.

And honestly, it's not deserving of any thought, attention or rebuttal. Ignore them. Leave them in the fucking dirt. Progress with or without them. If they wanna catch up and learn, then that's on them. Fuck these Nazis and Nazi sympathizers.
 

Book One

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,812
They think people protesting the killing of black people means some antifa gonna come in and burn down their house
 

Bedameister

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,942
Germany
sOcIaLiSm!!!!

But actually it's racism. They don't like the demographic changes in their country. Add to that the years of brainwashing from FOX news
 

Spork4000

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
8,484
Gay people can be gay, black and white people can marry each other, movies are now showing a more diverse spectrum of experiences. This scares them.
 

Laser Ramon

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,629
The rich are using white anxiety about race AND stoking socialist fears AND appealing to toxic masculinity to protect capitalism from social policies making even the SLIGHTEST dent in the bottom line.

That's it.
 

Keldroc

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,977
They see shifting demographics, realize that white people will be a minority themselves in the near future, and remember how they treated minorities in the past. Every racist white person who claims "racism is over" and "minorities already have equality" know damn well it's not true.
 

meowdi gras

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Feb 24, 2018
12,611
They--the overwhelming majority of them being cis straight white Christian-identifying males and their cis straight white Christian-identifying family members--literally believe that they are the most persecuted demographic in America and that any inroads into positions of power made by and dispensation of equality to POC and other minorities will result in them being enslaved, robbed, disenfranchised, and brutalized.

In other words, quintessential projection.
 

GavinGT

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Sep 28, 2020
1,211
Obviously there are issues like the latent racism and we can't budge on those. But are there things we should be listening to Republicans on that we aren't? Like maybe economic issues? Because a ridiculous number of people just voted for Trump, and I really don't think they all did it out of racism.
 

VariantX

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Oct 25, 2017
16,879
Columbia, SC
Everyone being treated the same as the average white male in america is destroying america to them. America is fine, its the unspoken advantages they enjoy thats going to get destroyed. Ex. Donald Trump. after Barack Obama. That is a huge part of what lets white men succeed in this country while women and minorities can work 10 times as hard and be a thousand times smarter dont get as far. This MF failed upwards in life in total freefall. They don't want a true meritocracy no matter how much they speak on it.
 

Amnesty

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Nov 7, 2017
2,680
What they are really talking about is what they're not completely self aware about. In some sense, their worldview is being 'destroyed', because reality isn't lining up with how they see things or want to see things. Part of this is due to a lot of the changes happening socially and technologically. They don't understand any of this complexity though and find people to blame when it isn't even really down to individuals or specific groups. It's all of the large sweeping changes happening that is culturally leaving them behind and causing them to deep down feel irrelevant. The thing is too, with consumer culture in capitalism, these people are used to passively receiving affirmation for who they are and have been, culturally (- mostly white), so when the cultural shifts happening now involve more active redefinition by people of colour and others, they find themselves frustrated at their lack of ability and power to mold an identity because they're used to passive affirmation by spending money to have other people provide them with definition. The other part of this is that the technology present culturally, like the internet, has been radically changing how we shape our identities and people on the right are aligning themselves with a limited hive mentality that is very basic. Hives or swarms form all over the internet, but there's more diversity to be had outside of the internet media of the right, which is very impoverished in its language and messaging. It's why their speech is basically just repeating phrases and not trying to think of original ideas or articulations.

So with a lot of these things considered, a lot of the rhetoric of the sky is falling with conservatives is close to some truth in that for decades culture has been shifting away from the limited authoritarian way they identified with. It's always the case, the right aligns more with a status quo that is ultimately impossible to maintain because it's beyond anybody's control in the long run - if humans are able they could tend towards social diversity not repression (which we're still at a very early stage with in tandem with technological developments). Unless genocide, which is why the slope is danger, potentially, with authoritarianism. In many ways, the technological landscape of media can't really support authoritarianism if its open. The right would have to bring things to China like levels of control if they really wanted to alter or slow down the cultural shifts of our time. And even then, its still a limited sovereignty in the face of the overwhelming dominance of tech and media in our lives now.
 

myojinsoga

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Oct 29, 2017
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Take any film from 70, 80 years ago. You see that anywhere today?

(Edited for better dates lol)
 

Dalek

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Oct 25, 2017
38,896
Richard Spencer, a Neonazi, said "when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression" or some nonsense like that.
 
Oct 26, 2017
17,358
White people didn't need to worry about minorities coming to their place of work or their neighborhoods, not worrying about the climate of the planet or the healthcare of people, not worrying about the atrocities committed during foreign wars so long as we "won," where issues were black and white and the police were heroes and the criminals were colored. Change is scary to racists.
 

FaceHugger

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
13,949
USA
*Obama "First Time?" pic*

Seriously, we had people saying the anti Christ was elected and was going to murder our grandparents when we elected a black guy. The right overreacts like this every single time a Democrat is elected.
 

Lobster Roll

signature-less, now and forever
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Sep 24, 2019
34,279
It's white peoples' desire to live in the 50s / 60s where they in a white suburb with white neighbors and everybody has 2-3 white kids and everybody worships white Jesus Christ and the men wear ties while the work and the women wear dresses and aprons while raising children and cooking roasts and jellos at home.
 

Wrexis

Member
Nov 4, 2017
21,227
Someone at work mentioned her 401K was booming in the last 4 years and that's pretty much the only reason she voted Trump.
 

Durden

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
12,511
This is very obviously the wrong place to ask. And even if you ask the "right" place, you're not gonna get a real answer. Comon now.
 

Lark

Member
Oct 27, 2017
532
Canada
People who don't care about truth will say literally anything that makes their opponents sound bad.
 

Z-Beat

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
31,831
America is being destroyed and Trump was the last hope!
Translated to "we can't maintain our privilege with all this equality"

It's being destroyed for the white supremacists. They lost their free slave labor and now they're being forced to tolerate the existence of non-white people, and to them it's just ruining their way of life which was built on the systemic subjugation of others to maintain a false feeling of superiority.
 

Trup1aya

Literally a train safety expert
Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,320
The prevailing narrative from the boomers and right leaning people I have on my social media seems to have become "America is being destroyed and Trump was the last hope!".

I don't understand it, can anyone please break it down like I'm five? Like, what America were these people living in. Is it because rich people are going to get taxed more? Something about your 401k? Can't just be openly racist? Black and brown people are still considered humans? No wall after all?

What is this conservative utopia that Biden and Harris are about to destroy?

These people can't even explain it. They are simply very stupid people. And they are racists.

Trump was their last hope to achieve final victory in a culture war, that only they participate in. They'll talk about socialism, abortion, guns, etc, but all they really care about it maintaining inequality.
 
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L Thammy

Spacenoid
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Oct 25, 2017
49,964
The Constitution is always under attack. Always.

Some day people are going to create hate speech laws and American freedom will be over. Instantly loses its democracy, just like every basically all of Europe and Canada.
 
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Rex Griswold

Rex Griswold

Member
Oct 29, 2017
221
I don't really know, and they never have an answer when I ask them. Sometimes they say "Socialism", but they have no idea what socialism actually is or what Biden's stance on socialism is. There is also the popular Republican lie about raising taxes for most Americans that gained a lot of steam.

This is the problem for me. I try to at least SEE what the other side is talking about, regardless of how I feel about it. Lately though, there's either nothing or it's just plain bullshit that's offensively stupid.

A black guy was president

I recall during his presidency he was portrayed as a monkey. Often. So when the "we're respectful unlike you socialists!" I like to point that out. But this goes back to the initial post, what's the big terrible thing that happened to right wing folks under Obama? Especially within the gun community, people do this shit all the time. 'OMG IT'S GONNA BE LIKE OBAMA ALL OVER AGAIN OMMMGGGMGMGM', nothing happened while Obama was president, yet militias have to get ready to fight "tyranny" under a democrat. Even though we had four years of bullshit that culminated in the groundwork for actual tyranny and legit fascism, complete with secret police and people having important jobs because the mad king liked them.

And honestly, it's not deserving of any thought, attention or rebuttal. Ignore them. Leave them in the fucking dirt. Progress with or without them. If they wanna catch up and learn, then that's on them. Fuck these Nazis and Nazi sympathizers.

There's SO many of them. Half the country identifies with this ideology. It is beyond disheartening to see 70 million Americans vote not just red, but red with that incompetent fascist running the show.


I know... but whenever I ask for specifics, it's always socialism and gun confiscation and foreign languages. Meanwhile I'm sitting here like, yo, I don't hide the fact that I'm basically a Hispanic socialist gun hoarder. What is problem, tovarisch? Then it devolves into either I'm one of them and will never understand the struggle or I'm just blind to the truth.
 

Z-Beat

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
31,831
The Constitution is always under attack. Always.

Some day people are going to create hate speech laws and American freedom will be over.
They never quite figured out that the 1st amendment protects you from getting disappeared by the government for your words, but if you're a piece of shit in public it doesn't protect you from consequences like people booting you out of the store or getting shamed
 

Brinbe

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
58,032
Terana
the white majority. white nationalists are scared that their time as the prevailing race in america will be over.



the immigration act of 1965 signed by lbj

just read the comments. it explains everything
 

Hecht

Too damn tired
Administrator
Oct 24, 2017
9,730
I know... but whenever I ask for specifics, it's always socialism and gun confiscation and foreign languages. Meanwhile I'm sitting here like, yo, I don't hide the fact that I'm basically a Hispanic socialist gun hoarder. What is problem, tovarisch? Then it devolves into either I'm one of them and will never understand the struggle or I'm just blind to the truth.
Yeah I was being a bit glib. But others have basically said it - these people remember some privileged version of the 1950s where white folk didn't have to give a damn about anything other than themselves. Now that other people want equal rights, and are finally making progress towards that, they feel like that means they have to give up theirs. It's bigotry and ignorance mainly.