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Can 2019 chill out with the long-ass games, please?
- Thread starter J_Viper
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Be more discerning of the games you play: Long games are fine if you play very few of them throughout the year.
Play smart: don't engage in the more filler-y aspects of the games you play.
While I DO agree that many modern games are inflated and have terrible pacing, that problem is different from the issue of long games in general.
Play smart: don't engage in the more filler-y aspects of the games you play.
While I DO agree that many modern games are inflated and have terrible pacing, that problem is different from the issue of long games in general.
Long is fine if it's well paced, but that's actually rare. The majority of longer games tend do tend to have pacing issues and filler: a million collectibles, samey sidequest stuff, random encounters etc.
I'll give you RE2 but I'd argue DMC games are long if you're doing it right and not just bumbling through the campaign once.
I'll give you RE2 but I'd argue DMC games are long if you're doing it right and not just bumbling through the campaign once.
The old DMC games are like 10-12 hour campaigns.
At most, I don't expect DMC5 to exceed 20 hours even with 3 characters.
People complaining about campaign duration aren't as likely to consider multiple playthroughs anyway.
I skipped so many big hits these last years. I don't want to play games that incentivise doing all the grindy shit. I really miss those 10/10 like games like Arkham Asylum where it's just 8-10 hours of solid and well produced main mission things and then a handful of side objectives to do. Or Mass Effect 2, god I miss those mid-sized games instead of every game going full-bloat because I guess publishers want that player attach rate stat.
My only issue with the game...Boy did it drag
Not every game needs to be long especially if it's filled with a bunch of backtracking.
With Gamepass I've started playing small sized games and there's plenty there. I play those while I wait for the few big games I want get cheaper. I try to avoid the forced grindy ones that I don't find interesting. There's just too many different types of games.
I learned a long time ago to set my own conditions for how I enjoy a game and that just because content is there and available does not mean I am obligated to see it to call it a finished game. I would much rather see 80% of a bunch of games and miss out on some side stuff than see 100% of a small handful of games and get stuck doing repetitive and shallow open world tasks.
Will be hoping that KH3 isn't some super bloated mess. Have a few smaller titles in January that I'm getting (NSMBU, Onimusha) so starting off 2019 by not playing through some bloated mess will be nice.
Will be hoping that KH3 isn't some super bloated mess. Have a few smaller titles in January that I'm getting (NSMBU, Onimusha) so starting off 2019 by not playing through some bloated mess will be nice.
As a 43 soon to be 44 year old adult who still very much enjoys playing video games but likes to play as many games as possible, and even if I did not like to play different games and only played one at a time, I 110% agree with you OP.
So here is my proposal to developers.
Offer people the option to play a streamlined or full experience.
Just like you offer the ability to choose the difficulty level of games, offer us the option to play a more streamlined or robust gaming experience.
Because let's face it, it is not like all of these games that go on forever one has to experience all of the missions to get the idea for the story itself.
So if a game is over let's say 30-40 hours, offer the adult with other things to do option.
At the rate I am going I should finally beat RDR2 by 2021. Maybe then I can finally open my copy of Odyssey I got from Amazon for $30 on Black Friday. Right now I am not even thinking about opening it as I am still slowly but surely making my way through RDR2.
So here is my proposal to developers.
Offer people the option to play a streamlined or full experience.
Just like you offer the ability to choose the difficulty level of games, offer us the option to play a more streamlined or robust gaming experience.
Because let's face it, it is not like all of these games that go on forever one has to experience all of the missions to get the idea for the story itself.
So if a game is over let's say 30-40 hours, offer the adult with other things to do option.
At the rate I am going I should finally beat RDR2 by 2021. Maybe then I can finally open my copy of Odyssey I got from Amazon for $30 on Black Friday. Right now I am not even thinking about opening it as I am still slowly but surely making my way through RDR2.
Maybe you take a break yourself? And play at your own pace without worry about them, just takea note what you really want to play and snag them on deep sale.
Because you cant stop content threadmill from AAA developer , they need money to run and have investor to take care. And long game is tend to sell better so it is what it is.
Because you cant stop content threadmill from AAA developer , they need money to run and have investor to take care. And long game is tend to sell better so it is what it is.
I have almost no money for games and I agree with OP. My dream games are games in which all content, main and side, feels meaningful to do. But almost no modern AAA games are designed that way. There has to be oodles and oodles or "stuff" to do. I'd rather replay the same good content and have unlocks or something than play bad "unique" content.
nope, I hope anthem and the division 2 are so long that those are the only two games I buy next year.
There is no need to play all the "important" AAA games if you feel like you will enjoy them less. The only AAA game I played from 2018 is GOW and I enjoyed it without issue. You need to play older games, you are not working at IGN for this to be an issue with how you play games. There are probably alot of amazing short games in your backlog, dont let them be forgotten becuase you want to be part of the current discussion.
Quality over Quantity these days for me, so it doesn't matter.
Also I buy less and less "AAA" games, it's pretty great when you notice you don't have to play every big release.
Now I focus on less games that I will know I will love, and god damn some of these games are long. I'm still playing DQXI after 100+ hours.
Also I buy less and less "AAA" games, it's pretty great when you notice you don't have to play every big release.
Now I focus on less games that I will know I will love, and god damn some of these games are long. I'm still playing DQXI after 100+ hours.
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In my opinion, the problem about long RPGs is not that they're long, but that you need to do all kinds of studying and planning when you play them.
Which is fine when they first come out and everyone is around learning and teaching each other, but it gets harder the further from release date.
Also people that goes in with the 'clearing backlog' mentality tends to want to just get things over and done with to scratch one of a list so those types of games might be frustrating.
Which is fine when they first come out and everyone is around learning and teaching each other, but it gets harder the further from release date.
Also people that goes in with the 'clearing backlog' mentality tends to want to just get things over and done with to scratch one of a list so those types of games might be frustrating.
One of the best parts of "good" long games is how invested you get into them(studying/planning), I recently played the Trails in the Sky Trilogy(200 hours) and now I'm in the post-game of DQXI(114 hours so far) and it's super rewarding.
On the side I have multiplayers games like Smash and DBFZ which I will dump hundreds of hours into at least.
With that said, I have finished like 30 games this year so everything aside of those huge games have been short, it's all about what you want to finish, I'm someone that loves to finish games from my backlog but if a game is good I'll give it my time.
Agreed. The idea that the players are 'demanding' longer games is silly too. The majority of people aren't finishing these games. God of War has a 54% completion rate and that's incredibly high. Spidey is up there too but others are much lower. RDR2's epilogue hasn't even been finished by 20% of players. AC Odyssey is at 23%. Far Cry 5 at 35%.
It's not that they're not amazing, but God of War's pacing would have improved if it cut the return visits to the mountain and Hel. Maybe two hours of the game gone but that's the fat. Spider-Man and God of War both could've had less busywork collectibles (ugh Odin's Ravens) and more substantial side content. Red Dead could have had mechanical improvements so less time was wasted. Length doesn't equal amazement.
You didn't know what God of War and Red Dead Redemption 2 were? They're fucking pace destroyers.
Nothing stopping you from steam rolling and only doing the main story is most of those types of games. Cuts the play time way down.
I agree. Am so done with these type of games. With a few exceptions I probably won't even buy a game if it is open world. I am so fed up of them and that's why playing more and more indies. Gotta agree 2019 looks great though. RE2, DMC5 and Sekiro within a few months. I hope this is not a one time coincidence and we get more games like these.
thats like paying more for an extra large pizza covered in garbage vs paying for a small pizza covered in delicious toppings
Here's an advice: you don't have to play them.
There are more short games released nowadays than the long ones. Fact.
There are more short games released nowadays than the long ones. Fact.
That's some interesting data. What's the stats on games that are shorter and have less filler? That would help determine if the bloat is actually stopping more players from finishing the games.
EDIT: Also, Wind Waker HD really deserves credit in this regard. It really streamlined that bloated triforce quest and it made for an all-around better game. I wish more remakes/remasters would do things like that to improve the games, rather than focusing entirely on graphics/performance.
RDR2 is as long as you want it to be, the sidequests adds to the story, but the story itself is still wonderful and doesn't have to be 40+ hours. Its like watching a movie and extended cut, the extended cut adds more, but main cut is still great.
otherwise I agree with you, very few games do I want to be long, to me 8-10 hours is perfect. Titanfall2 was about 5+ hours and that was a great ride.
otherwise I agree with you, very few games do I want to be long, to me 8-10 hours is perfect. Titanfall2 was about 5+ hours and that was a great ride.
I agree, I'm more of a fan of 5-30 hour games than 80+ hour ones. I value quality and the experience more than games that are just long to be long. As for the value of the money, that's subjective, I don't judge games based on length but how good they are so that works out for me.
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If a game is good, it can be as long as it wants. I get your criticism about God of War, I do agree that it could have been better paced if it were a little shorter. Maybe even Red Dead 2, especially the first half of chapter 5- but if in a 90 hour experience, 5 hours of it are a slog and the other 85 are top notch, I really don't mind the length.
A good example this year is DQ11. Easily an 80 hour game, but so perfectly paced it didn't feel like 80 hours at all.
A good example this year is DQ11. Easily an 80 hour game, but so perfectly paced it didn't feel like 80 hours at all.
I think you answered it. Key word is "great". RDR2 was great start to finish. God of War was mostly great, with some unnecessary filler. Same with Odyssey. If a game is a great experience I'll keep going. I just don't want it to purposely drag it out when there's not a good reason for it.