To be fair there's not a single multiplayer map that I'd say is truly good. Some are passable but all of them have obvious flaws.
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The main problem with Piccadilly is you get stuck in spawn and it never flips because the enemy can corner you without getting close enough to force a flip. So they know exactly where you are you're getting spawn killed the entire match.
Yep, no single great map. I think most are too condensed but even the larger maps are not by any means better because of how the gameplay systems work right now.
This right here. If you spawn on the side with the Arcade... you can literally get camped over and over and over and over again.
Piccadilly's spawns are broken. My team started on the arcade side and got spawn camped for the entire match.
Yes, that side needs another exit and spawns should flip at some point when people are out (it seems they overcorrected from the complaining about BO4 which would constantly flip lol). People never use smoke in this game though....it really helps.
I never like CoD games anymore. I loved cod4 MW.
This is my favorite call of duty by far. I'm addicted to it in a way no game has gotten me in a long time.
I agree some minor things are head scratchers, but I think a lot of the reason people are disliking it are the exact reasons I like it. Because it's less like a standard call of duty than usual. Stop playing it exactly like you'd play another cod.
This. I always have smoke on me.
This is my favorite call of duty by far. I'm addicted to it in a way no game has gotten me in a long time.
I agree some minor things are head scratchers, but I think a lot of the reason people are disliking it are the exact reasons I like it. Because it's less like a standard call of duty than usual. Stop playing it exactly like you'd play another cod.
This. I always have smoke on me.
This is the only way I've been able to do well. Probably because I'm 30 so I don't have great twitch reflex skills any longer, but yeah, playing with a rushing mindset is a great way to get frustrated.
True.
Also true.
And the palace map is too fucking big.
Yeah Picadilly and the Bridge are broken. In TDM we got locked down at the far right of Picadilly where you spawn near the corner without much options to go around and flank. And we kept on spawning there. Only option is to not go around the corner then, which means you can't do shit.
Bridge is broken in Domination, it seems if you spawn behind C (the houses) you're fucked. You have run to into the open and go up and there is like one or 2 ways. This is a map I cancel out from now on.
I also don't like the Palace map in TDM, I had like 10 kills at the end and thought I was doing shit but I was the second best overall player behind the top player who had 12. Its like that palace is designed for 32 players or something.
Bridge is broken in Domination, it seems if you spawn behind C (the houses) you're fucked. You have run to into the open and go up and there is like one or 2 ways. This is a map I cancel out from now on.
I also don't like the Palace map in TDM, I had like 10 kills at the end and thought I was doing shit but I was the second best overall player behind the top player who had 12. Its like that palace is designed for 32 players or something.
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Are you using single fire mode? brief footage I've seen of it looks like it kicks like a mule in auto.
Scar is pretty decent in semi auto too, I struggle to use it full auto even with attachnents lol
I specifically said you don't know until it goes live because no amount of pre-release testing is worth a day of live impressions.
Kidding me, another game with some rank 120 clown who instantly gets all the absolute worst killstreaks and ends the game with a 999 kdr. What's the SBMM doing for me, other than slowing down matchmaking and putting me in near-100ms ping lobbies? Clearly nothing else.
Auto, but I tap fire so I guess it wouldn't really matter whether I kept it at auto or single fire.
Auto, but I tap fire so I guess it wouldn't really matter whether I kept it at auto or single fire.
I've had Bridge games go to where one entire team is spawn camped into a single house and the game doesn't flip them or anything.
You literally put like 2 guys at the drop down wall near the bridge staircase, and have a sniper or two on the bridge watching middle to far left.
Team literally only has 2 exits, left door gets blasted by drop wall guys, right takes them down a lfunnel to get sniped the second a head pops around a wall.
The only way I broke out of this when it happened to me a few times was to get everyone in my party using a Javelin(Jokr) and randomly targeting the bridge.
Rank 120? What? How is that even possible...it takes an age to level up.
you in high ping lobbies too? I thought it was just me..couldn't get in one below 75ms last night and I couldn't kill anyone, I turned the game off
I like it too. Perfect partner for when Afghan comes
With Cave I just wish they'd cut off some of the south middle and open buildings cleaning it up a tad.
Palace is way too big. It has zero flow, too. It degenerates into a CF right from the word go.
Ground War could be fun, but it really needs a Frontlines: Fuel of War style of capture points instead of the Battlefield style of cap anywhere anytime. Tie A->B->C->D->E and reverse for the other team so you need to capture one to get the next and both of those maps become amazing fights for territory. The way it is now, it's just total chaos and not good IMO.
Ground War could be fun, but it really needs a Frontlines: Fuel of War style of capture points instead of the Battlefield style of cap anywhere anytime. Tie A->B->C->D->E and reverse for the other team so you need to capture one to get the next and both of those maps become amazing fights for territory. The way it is now, it's just total chaos and not good IMO.
Well of course not, COD is one of the most popular games on consoles like FIFA or something for a reason. From my experience only hardcore players are on PC with these :D
You did not say no amount of pre-release testing is worth a day of live impressions, and that is frankly some nonsense.
Day 1 live impressions are just that, first impressions. They are not going to be the same as day 2 or day 30. Yes, you have more feedback. But so what? Plenty of games come out with way better designed maps from day 1 and they are refined and sometimes given major design changes.
This is not some new genre. And not even remotely new modes. They have many years of experience doing this work. These are not just data driven optimizations. They are macro level design choices. It is like they hired someone who thought they knew better than everyone else in the FPS space on how to design maps, and it turns out their design is just shit.
Nah, I stand by what I say. Anyone's who's experienced internal playtesting culture at a big game dev will tell you the same. Going live doesn't just give you "more feedback" and data, it gives you honesty. Internal playtests are rarely truly honest.
I use the Oden in full auto and it is a monster. Aim at torso level and 2-3 rounds they dead. It usually headshots with the recoil kick. Once you get the attachments to stabilise it a bit (e.g stocks) it is a stone cold killer.
Add on stopping power rounds and godamnnn
There was a daily yesterday that had the first calling card I ever actually liked and wanted to get for getting 60 shotgun kills, but progress wasn't going up at all so I figured it was bugged and I ignored it. Now I get on today and it was apparently tracking but not updating but I'm at 30/60 but with only 28 minutes left before it goes away which is absolutely not going to happen (I'm trash at the game). I'm actually really fucking annoyed.
I will say this.. and I'm not sure if this was a part of the last game but being able to EDIT YOUR LOADOUT COMPLETELY IN GAME is a lifesaver.
Challenges big broken right now. I'm working towards the Shiba charm and had 3/5 "get 10 kills in a row without dying" and switched my mission (it specifically says progress would be saved) and when I switched back it went back to 0/5 - I was devastated and pissed but I figured fuck it and tried for another 10 kills, when I got it the progress jumped back to 4/5 like it properly should be.
Scary in the moment but it seems to be mostly visual and the proper progress is being tracked....somewhere
I'm playing on PC but the Scar is pretty bad.
You only have 20/40 ammo to start with and it kicks hard. Not as hard as the Oden, but doesn't delete people like the Oden either.
Yeah, I'm just really pissed in this case because I finally found the first and only cosmetic thing anywhere in the game I actually want and it's on a timer that I'm not going to be able to make now.
I don't like that they made lethal grenades the thing that you get a lot of and not tactical grenades. Should be flipped imo.
I also really like the MP5 and I just unlocked 10mm rounds so I'm going to try that out tonight. Trying to stay away from the M4 even though it's obviously really good.
I liked using the lever action and Kar98K but their one shot potential seemed a little inconsistent. Especially the Kar98K which should have the same killing potential as any sniper rifle in the game.
Yeah I'm liking it. I think it's a one-shot head shot with Stopping power.
I also really like the MP5 and I just unlocked 10mm rounds so I'm going to try that out tonight. Trying to stay away from the M4 even though it's obviously really good.
I liked using the lever action and Kar98K but their one shot potential seemed a little inconsistent. Especially the Kar98K which should have the same killing potential as any sniper rifle in the game.
Yep, played a few more games with it and it's an absolute joy to use. Very satisfying.
Has anyone double dipped yet? First time in a while that CoD felt this great. Have it on PC but thinking of getting on PS4 for couch play.
I really want to play with the P90, the M13, the DMRs....but the M4 meta just gets you shredded anytime you're trying to mess with other guns. I get that the XRK is making a lot of people stick with it and results in an endless loop of "well I leveled up and unlocked other guns but now my M4 is way higher level than everything else so I'll just stick with it" but gosh
Like even the Oden - if you miss that first shot, the M4 you're up against has already spit 3-4 more bullets in your directions before the 2nd shot rings off
That, the camping and the SBMM make me rage sometimes when playing this.
Like even the Oden - if you miss that first shot, the M4 you're up against has already spit 3-4 more bullets in your directions before the 2nd shot rings off
That, the camping and the SBMM make me rage sometimes when playing this.
You are coming across as saying that you know better than me so you are right. I do not think that is a constructive argument.
Regardless, if their development pipeline is so fucked up in playtesting, that is still a result of their mismanagement and it is still their fault. Now I can actually understand and to some extent accept a lack of data to drive certain decisions. You said developers do not know if a map is good until release and get player reactions. I still maintain that is a bullshit excuse and at best a result of their development processes, as you claim internal playtesting is a failure. You gonna say quality playtesting is beyond their ability? What is the next excuse?
You can block a lot of lines of sight to actually get good positioning.