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California valedictorian torches school staff and alcoholic teacher in graduation speech
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I mean, plenty of kids at 2:11 look pretty uncomfortable, the way they keep putting their hands to the face, but I already know you're going to claim you don't see anybody being uncomfortable at that part so why bother.
Of course I have a lot of "insults" ( or rather, valid criticisms of specific behavior) ready. I've been practicing criticizing conceited inappropriate public speeches a lot these last 2/3 years.
Do you have a link that she did? Because if she did that school district needs to be investigated. Is hard for me to believe that none of the students didn't say anything to their parents about a drunk teacher getting arrested in front of them. Especially during this Snapchat era were kids would film any drama at school.
If the world now fits your definition of functioning, I'm sure we would be fine.
And she was probably driven to this because she tried to raise concerns that were ignored.
That makes more sense than sue just felt like causing this much fuss for nothing.
I mean, the problems with this platform being so one-sided are being displayed in this very thread. There's a lot of people just absolutely convinced that everything she says is 100% legitimate despite not ever meeting her, knowing anything about the school district, or the people involved. That's why I don't think this was an appropriate way of addressing this situation. An actual investigation is what I would support. Naming and shaming like this can lead to undue harassment if there's been a misunderstanding. It comes across as irresponsible and short-sighted. If she isn't completely on ball here, innocent people could literally be hurt.
I'm not the one making the claim that she did, nor would I care if she didn't.
As opposed to "OMG the world would end if everyone started to publicly complain about gross systemic incompetence"
Lol. Come on.
This girl would very obviously have brought it up if she had.
Hey, but dumb kids, right? What do they know?
No need to put "insults" in quotes, those were pretty cutting critiques aimed at her character.
The problem with this speech is that everyone knows what school you are going to. There is now a 100% probability that some bitter counselor or administrator will call it to the university's attention in hopes that they rescind their offer of admission. If that happens then you are basically screwed because it's too late to apply anywhere else and deadlines for signing up to other schools have passed.
That isn't even remotely what I said. Keep being disingenuous tho.
Great argument? Again, I couldn't care less if she did or not, just seems like an odd thing to bring up without any evidence.
Plenty of kids are smart and brave and deserve respect. That doesn't mean mobs in general won't cheer for chaos. Other than my chicken example on the last page, I've literally been to a graduation where everyone went crazy and loved it because someone didn't wear anything under their gown and mooned the audience. It's ok to look at these situations more critically sometimes.
You really are a piece of work.
My point was that there is a correct venue to air complaints, and this wasn't it. Not everyone needs to go nuclear.
Keep being toxic and gross.
You were the one going off about "bad faith" arguing earlier, right? So what exactly was the point of demanding timestamps and proof about people being uncomfortable, if nothing someone could provide, be the direct quote from the article or literal timestamp, would sway your already made up mind?
Cool it with calling people idiots.
I don't think that will happen, which is of course a good thing. The only element that could present a problem is the whole misrepresenting the content of her speech thing.
She doesn't deserve any academic action taken against her. She did what she thought was right.
Yes, that could be a possibility but I don't buy it. Because that means every single parent in that room failed their children in allowing a drunk teacher be around their kids.
What a disgusting thread.
Good on her for calling out those that failed her during her time there, fuck all this "not the right time and place" bs.
Good on her for calling out those that failed her during her time there, fuck all this "not the right time and place" bs.
I agree. Assuming no one got hurt, it would be exceedingly petty to ruin her future over this (which would definitely back up her claims of the school being shitty).
I buy it because it's far more likely this young women uses a platform to stand up in front of everyone who knows the truth and speak about it.
Chances she stood up like this and lied when people could just prove her wrong easily are so much lower.
Why wasn't this it? Why is publicly challenging complete systemic incompetence in this venue wrong?
I didn't call anyone an idiot, but the statement was certainly idiotic. And the point is you can't prove it, so don't argue it.
I envy you in that you obviously haven't met many of the crazies that make up America. I want to remind you that 40% of the population thinks that Trump is a model president.
A Lot of institutions do not really care. But like you said, it depends on institutions, which goes back to not caring because some will get resources/money allocated to them from state or other funds for the programs for the valedictorian. State schools will already bring them in regardless, it's a free ride for most. But yea will depend, but i feel they will definitely be able to secure a spot in most of their choices.
Again, as an advisor, that's not necessarily the case.
We regularly give more attention to underprivileged and underperforming students than the valedictorian.
I remember the parents of an extremely high-performing and wealthy student freaking out because a scholarship that was awarding a free laptop went to a student from a poor family with a slightly lower GPA (the girl had also recently lost her home in a fire).
When I heard this rant, that's the sort of student I'm reminded of. The privileged and entitled ones who always demand more attention, not the underprivileged kids that actually deserve that attention.
K I'm going to stop talking to you now, because you're not internalizing anything anyone is saying.
yikes.
We've gone from accusing her of being a brat and a liar, to this.
I do think some insituations might actually value a student willing to make an effort like this. It's really a complicated picture.
User Banned (3 days): Hostility throughout the thread.
I try not to internalize cancer.
So you're assuming because she highly performed and became valedictorian, she's well off too? Even when she makes a point that knowing about those scholarships would have been helpful in her speech? Jeez you folks are really reaching to paint this kid in a negative light lol
If you think I'm calling her a Trumper, you're jumping to major conclusions.
The point is that without an investigation, none of us know what's going on at that school outside of what she just said to us and we shouldn't just take people at their words.
Your ceaseless attempts to zero in on her intelligence are frankly disturbing. Unless you operate in a STEM or academic field, she's likely smarter at this moment than you or anyone else in here, as the knowledge she's gained hasn't begun to burn away post-high school yet. I would imagine this would extend to a good chunk of the class you and others have been making ageist digs at too.
How quickly everyone here forgets not just the knowledge they gain in high school (naturally, of course. If you don't use it you lose it), but also what it's like to deal with the inadequacies of a high school faculty that isn't there to support you and indeed will set you up to fail to a certain extent. Most likely due to budgetary and staff constraints and not out of malice, but if you're a student the end result isn't all that different between the two, and the alcoholic teacher certainly speaks to some major administrative dysfunction. Kudos to her for speaking out.
Because she had YEARS to bring it up in venues that would have allowed for investigations to be conducted and the truth to be determined.
EVERY school has procedures in place for this type of thing. Complaints, both true and false, are extremely common in schools from parents, teachers, and students... in good schools and bad schools. I work in a small school of only 700-800 students and I know of at least a dozen or so accusations a year that go through the process.
Instead she was a bully who decided to use her platform to publicly crucify people who have no ability to defend themselves against the accusations.
Who knows, maybe she went through the correct channels and was ignored, but I doubt it considering the content of her speech. If she was ignored then her speech is justified.
(Now to wait for your shallow knee jerk response.)
She should have submitted the proper forms in triplicate to the school administration and waited 3-4 weeks for a notarized response, that is the responsible thing to do after all. Everyone knows change always comes from only going through the proper channels, just look at another system with no systemic inadequecies like the police.
It's really gross, crazy that's an okay thing to do.
Strawman much?
Also, just because the proper channels don't always work is not a reason to never use them.
If she gave the school any heads up about her speech, it would have been denied and they would have been ready to cut off the mic if she followed through.She was smart enough to realize this. Staff was completely caught off guard so they didn't have time to react. I applaud her bravery, and am confident she's going to be very successful in life. We need more boss women like her.
I think it's a perfect reason not to use them if you know a surefire alternative to get your message heard.
User banned (5 days): Inflammatory false equivalence, concern trolling
Just for the sake of argument, what if this girl used her speech to start talking about a teacher who had an abortion and that the immorality of it ruined her school experience, and that her inability to pray in school at the start of each class caused her undue suffering? Would we be applauding her bravery of speaking out in this venue?
Yes, it is indeed the best path if your goal is personal attention.
When a person at my work is job to me I should immediately record it and post it online rather than asking my supervisor to counsel the person on what type of conduct is expected at work.
I'll ignore the fact your entire perspective relies on something you can't prove and just say that if you are given a public platform, possibly the only one you'll ever be given, using that to highlight failures in a system will ALWAYS be a good thing. And if you're response is "well, what if she is lying?" I obviously can't prove she isn't and you can't prove she is, but I'd be more than willing to bet on the side of the school's incompetence in this instance.
Both sides are exactly the same. Someone post that tweet.
How are you sure her goal was personal attention? Are you going to just say because she used personal anecdotes on stage? Is it not at least equally as likely she did that as examples of the dysfunction she was addressing?
Does your work have decades of systemic inadequecy? If so, yes I would advocate you not going through those channels.