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California Propositions Discussion for 2020 Election
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Crooked Media has a a voter guide. It covers state & local offices and measures. Not sure what state you're in, so can't really help yet.
Courage California has a progressive voter guide.Not sure what you're in, but local DSA chapters have guides available (here's LA's); a quick Google search should help.
Definitely should have seen some indication on the online tracker. I dropped mine off on Monday and checked today. Said it was at the post office. Maybe give it til the end of the week. If still nothing contact the appropriate people.
I'm seeing a lot of "No on 16" and a few "No on 15-19" signs in my area. I'm starting to think these won't pass.
I cannot believe the "they're coming for Prop 13 so homeowners vote against it" is actually a thing. I can understand no on 19 and the reasoning behind it, I cannot understand no on 15. Do people feel the small business provisions there are not enough? Every new business is at an instant disadvantage on property tax rates alone to established businesses.
It's pure selfishness. "Fuck all these newcomers; protect my business!"
I think I'm leaning towards 'yes' on i16. It's not ideal since another minority group will be effected, but for what it's trying to address, I think it is ultimately a step in the right direction to remedying serious imbalance.
exactly
I am as liberal as they come and I've done "gig work" for months and know many others who do as well (even more so with COVID) and none of us want to be classified as "employees" at all. While some might say "getting paid less than min wage" it's simply not true in many scenarios. Most of the time it's much higher and gives the full flexibility of family & work life balance.
Are you specifically a driver, though? Because this exemption only covers Uber/Lyft/etc.
yes
TBH I don't know another driver that is for the prop (anecdotal sure)
and for a lot of drivers, "gig work" has put food on the table during COVID.
For non-drivers, it also puts food on the table, since the gig workers deliver the food. That's actually one of the reasons I think 22 will pass: people aren't going to risk having their delivery fees increased and/or lose out on these services to vote for nebulous, long term benefits for people who aren't even themselves.
plus the only thing Uber/Lyft need to do to subevent that is: Make everyone part time....
(Plus I'd bet a high majority of people who drive, do it part time anyways. I can't fathom many people even take gig work thinking they deserve any type of benefits, nor signs up to be a gig driver with that in mind. The flexibility of "gig work" is the whole point)
Yes: 15-18, 21
Leaning towards yes: 25 (due to data based algorithm)
No:19, 20,
Leaning towards no: 24
hell Yes: 23
Davita won last time in 2016,. Let's not do that again
fucking no: 22
Uber, Lyft, and DoorDash funded this after the court ruled Uber and Lyft violated AB5.
Leaning towards yes: 25 (due to data based algorithm)
No:19, 20,
Leaning towards no: 24
hell Yes: 23
Davita won last time in 2016,. Let's not do that again
fucking no: 22
Uber, Lyft, and DoorDash funded this after the court ruled Uber and Lyft violated AB5.
An Uber engineers's opinion on why 22 should be no
https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/06/im-a-software-engineer-at-uber-im-voting-against-prop-22/
CA requiring benefits for employees wouldn't affect those driving less than 30 hours per week. Those who purport to "like being flexible" won't be affected. I don't buy the arguments in favor of yes on 22.
Edit: polling seems to indicate that it'll pass, sigh.
https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/06/im-a-software-engineer-at-uber-im-voting-against-prop-22/
CA requiring benefits for employees wouldn't affect those driving less than 30 hours per week. Those who purport to "like being flexible" won't be affected. I don't buy the arguments in favor of yes on 22.
Edit: polling seems to indicate that it'll pass, sigh.
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Just did an online exit poll after my ballot was received.
14,000 respondents:
Joe Biden with 85%
Trump with 12%
Adam Schiff is the favorite to replace Harris should she become Vice President
14 - 55% Yes
15 - 55% Yes
16 - 50/50
17 - 70% Yes
18 - 60% Yes
19 - 65% No
20 - 33% Yes-----33% No----33% Don't Remember
21 - 40% Yes-----40% No----20% Don't Remember
22 - 40% Yes-----45% No----15% Don't Remember
23 - 50% No
24 - 40 % Yes-----25% No----35% Don't Remember
25 - 55% Yes
14,000 respondents:
Joe Biden with 85%
Trump with 12%
Adam Schiff is the favorite to replace Harris should she become Vice President
14 - 55% Yes
15 - 55% Yes
16 - 50/50
17 - 70% Yes
18 - 60% Yes
19 - 65% No
20 - 33% Yes-----33% No----33% Don't Remember
21 - 40% Yes-----40% No----20% Don't Remember
22 - 40% Yes-----45% No----15% Don't Remember
23 - 50% No
24 - 40 % Yes-----25% No----35% Don't Remember
25 - 55% Yes
I feel like the 15% don't remember responses on 22 are shy "I'm voting progressive everywhere else but don't want my uber/doordash to get more expensive/slower" voters. I'm not confident about defeating that.
Prop 19 is my other bugaboo, but that seems a lot more likely to be defeated. Annoying how the prop's using fire victims, possible more money for schools, and another positive tradeoff or two as a smokescreen for something that would primarily only further exacerbate housing/wealth inequality. And a bit angry that the state Democratic party supports it. Mainstream Dems love saying they're YIMBY while being NIMBY in practice. With the housing supply as constrained and inexpensive as it is, the last thing we need is to give longtime boomer homeowners the ability to outbid others on houses knowing that their tax bill will be a fraction of what everyone else would have to pay.
Yeah, what a coincidence the ones with a lot of "Don't Remember" responses just happen to be the controversial ones. You just know those are going to skew toward the choices that people know are actually bad but may protect their own short-term interests. So it almost certainly looks like 20 and 22 will pass.
24 really is the only one where that response is buyable, since that one is pretty confusing if you don't do research into it.
24 really is the only one where that response is buyable, since that one is pretty confusing if you don't do research into it.
It's certainly plausible as the respondents in this exit poll are overwhelmingly Democratic leaning.
If you marked two circles for the same thing, it'll just count that vote as VOID or something, right?
I fucked up with one of the candidates (didn't really care about whatever it was, but didn't want to give the Republican the vote), but I want to make sure the rest of my ballot will be counted.
I fucked up with one of the candidates (didn't really care about whatever it was, but didn't want to give the Republican the vote), but I want to make sure the rest of my ballot will be counted.
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There's so much tricky language I'd appreciate anyone chiming in if they have insight on any props!
Prop 25 just sounds bad either way, replacing bail with an algorithm that'll be racist and bias and give too much power to judges? So I'm thinking NO.
Prop 24 also sounds good on paper, but if you look at the details will actually let companies use pay for privacy schemes and actually hurt consumer protection.
There's others that just seem like traps and are deceptive. California is a mess with these lol, worried 22 will pass because of all the misleading ads.
Prop 25 just sounds bad either way, replacing bail with an algorithm that'll be racist and bias and give too much power to judges? So I'm thinking NO.
Prop 24 also sounds good on paper, but if you look at the details will actually let companies use pay for privacy schemes and actually hurt consumer protection.
There's others that just seem like traps and are deceptive. California is a mess with these lol, worried 22 will pass because of all the misleading ads.
California Propositions Discussion for 2020 Election
Marking up my Voter Info Guide now... YES on 14-19 NO on 20 YES on 21 NO on 22 ...and then I'm confused. I have NO on 24 currently, because the initiative is being pushed by tech companies, and there might be loopholes to these "expanded privacy rules"? Prop 23, I honestly don't know. Open to...
www.resetera.com
Proposition 24 actually removes protections. Everyone should vote NO.
progressivevotersguide.com
from what I have read the proposition stipulates it can be any physician, it does not have to be a nephrologist.
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California Propositions Discussion for 2020 Election
Marking up my Voter Info Guide now... YES on 14-19 NO on 20 YES on 21 NO on 22 ...and then I'm confused. I have NO on 24 currently, because the initiative is being pushed by tech companies, and there might be loopholes to these "expanded privacy rules"? Prop 23, I honestly don't know. Open to...
from what I have read the proposition stipulates it can be any physician, it does not have to be a nephrologist.
Even the voting guide in my DSA chapter was split, but I think ultimately no on prop 25 is the best. The only reason to vote yes seemed to be "well, we can make it better later." meanwhile LA DSA was a hard no.
My DSA chapter was also split on this but I really had a hard time thinking about the benefits of this (unless you're old and white lol), especially with how huge of a problem this sort of thing is in California.
My DSA chapter was also split on this but I really had a hard time thinking about the benefits of this (unless you're old and white lol), especially with how huge of a problem this sort of thing is in California.
so prop 19 is really two different things in one - a tax break for some and a tax increase for other. it's bankrolled by realtor groups.
the first is a tax break for older homebuyers so that they can pay lower property taxes when they move to a newer, more expensive residence. i hate this and that's why i'm voting no. essentially the same measure was also on the ballot 2 years ago as proposition 5 which was soundly defeated. most people who would be eligible for tax breaks under prop 19 are white even though less than half of household heads in california are white. https://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/california-proposition-19-property-tax-scheme/
the second is a tax increase for children who inherit their parents homes and use the properties as an investment vehicle. i'm fine with this. if this second part was a standalone ballot measure i would vote for it. of course, such a ballot measure would be soundly defeated as well. including this tax increase is the realtors' attempt to make the prop 5 more palatable for this second go around
Yeah, they always try to mix in stuff we actually want with these bullshit props. Same thing with 25. Yes, I want cash bail to end, but to replace it with some algorithm we have no idea how it works? Doesn't seem like a good idea.
Just sealed my envelope, voted no on 19 obviously.
Yeah, the second part is actually good. It seems to me, at least, that it was probably added to make it more enticing since they already know the first part alone isn't going to fly.
Anyone else drop off their ballot at a Dropbox? Roughly how long does it take for them to register it as received? I dropped mine on Monday. How long should I wait until I start worrying?
I dropped mine off at one. Took about a week for it to be counted.
I wouldn't feel too bad. We always let a couple shitty ones pass, but I think overall we'll terms in a good direction.
Thanks for reminding me I had recent results.
Did a text poll on Prop 16
53% no
42% yes
So a friend of mine's ballot was challenged and then rejected. Anything they can do about that? Can they submit another ballot?
From what I understand they can do a provisional ballot. It's too late to get a new mail-in ballot, I think.
I'm not 100% sure though, sorry.
At this late date, I think their best option is to vote in person.
I just checked my mail for the first time in a week or so in San Diego and the ox was FULL of giant voting flyers.
I think half of them were for the Uber Lyft Prop.
Little do they know I already voted against it!
I think half of them were for the Uber Lyft Prop.
Little do they know I already voted against it!
I mean, it's the GOP endorsements, they also endorse Trump.
But yes, this mainly reclassifies a lot of non violent crimes back to felonies from misdemeanors, like car theft and "serial" shoplifting. I suppose there can be some violence in those acts but I would also think they would be charged separately.
edited to add: I am also getting a colossal amount of junk mail about these initiatives, and thinking about how much money is wasted considering I voted long ago. Ah well, keeps the post office running I guess.
Misdemeanors and wobblers would be classified as felonies. Just check ballotpedia and see who backs it. Lol
