I wanted the generic anime-loving laser sword guy... I am not sad at the archetype but at the overrepresentation of a franchise in detriment of representation at all of others.
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Byleth from Fire Emblem: Three Houses announced for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (launches on January 28th for $5.99) [SEE STAFF POST]
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About that...
Hell, they probably wouldn't have included both versions on the website thumbnail if it weren't for the fact that their Japanese names are different.
I'm with you, Dark Samus sucks. Metroid Prime turning into evil Samus is the most boring option they could have taken, especially for a game like Metroid Prime that doesn't have a traditional narrative structure where a doppelganger could do something interesting.
You forgot Roy.
Also to note, Roy and Chrom were added because fans wanted them (Chrom really stands out since he was literally skipped over for Robin), and Lucina started as an alt for Marth.
Robin is a Fire Emblem character who's primary weapon is a sword. He also uses tomes, a weapon type from Fire Emblem.
Corrin is a Fire Emblem character who's primary weapon is a sword. He also uses dragonstones, a weapon type from Fire Emblem.
Byleth is-
You get the point. It doesn't help that these three are all avatars void of personality when characters like Sora, Dante or even Travis would have a lot of personality despite also being "anime swordsmen." At least for me, it's not just about being a sword user with an anime art style. It's just the bland Fire Emblem avatars yet again. I was stoked for Robin. Meh on Corrin but enjoyed playing him. Now I'm just disappointed.
Byleth always made the most sense for a 3H rep because they are a focus within the game no matter what. Even if you had all three house lords working together as a Pokemon Trainer type of thing, that still wouldn't cover the full game like Byleth does, and certainly none of them has as much to access from a moveset perspective.
After watching the presentation I'm more than happy. Of course ANYONE else from the gane would have been better, but the moveset is my jam and music is cool.
Yeah realized my mistake a few posts up. Sorry. Also my post was a bit obnoxious and I'm sorry about that too. You come off so obsessive with your "rules" it borders on parody sometimes but I don't mean to downplay the desire to have more female characters that aren't just Ms. Male skins thrown in as an extra.
Robin literally uses tomes in Awakening, so she isn't borrowing from another character.
Corrin is a dragon mixed.
Byleth is the only one who takes from other characters that they can't do in their home game.
Also, Robin has a personality. It maybe bland, but she isn't like Byleth who is a silent MC. Same with Corrin.
Huge disappointment. If there wasn't a 2nd fighter's pass, I'd be pissed. But even then, considering Banjo and (to a lesser extent) Terry Bogard are the only fighters I gave a shit about this go around, it's gonna take a lot to convince me the next one is worth it.
This is Nintendo in a nutshell for villains. Lol.
... If it ain't broke, I guess.
Now IF we get a general direct next month, could we get the next fighter by the time E3 starts?
I watched it anyway so your search wasn't in vain.x)
The people complaining about this are a minority. The majority of Smash players are either going to be neutral or are already into Three Houses. There wouldn't be so many anime swordsmen in Smash if people didn't want them.
Three Houses is in my top 3 Switch games, I for ONE am very pleased with this and glad they incorporated the relics.
Would have been so much cooler if one of the lords joined too (especially edelgard)
Would have been so much cooler if one of the lords joined too (especially edelgard)
This is Nintendo in a nutshell for villains. Lol.
... If it ain't broke, I guess.
Wolf isn't an evil version of Fox. He isn't even really evil, just a dick.
Hilda is also not evil.
Shadow Mario is just Bowser Jr posing as Mario to frame him.
Dark Pit isn't a villain either and is more of an Anti-Hero.
Yeah, I don't like that trope.This is Nintendo in a nutshell for villains. Lol.
... If it ain't broke, I guess.
They can do everything from their Smash moveset iirc. Everyone in 3H can wield any weapon type. The legendary weapons themselves are route locked though.
A Pokemon-trainer type deal with Byleth would've been awesome, with him "instructing" each of the three house lords. It wouldn't be a perfect one to one match with PT, so some of the concept mechanics would need to change, but considering Byleth is already using their three weapons, it doesn't seem like it'd be all that difficult to instead work that into being the three lords themselves. Much better representation of the game as well. All major characters represented.
Plus, amiibo for the three lords! :)
Alas, it'll forever just be a dream.
Plus, amiibo for the three lords! :)
Alas, it'll forever just be a dream.
The phrase doesn't even mean anything lol. It's just Smash fan lingo feedback looping into itself when the real thing they're trying to say is that they don't happen to care for whatever the character pick happens to be.
Sakurai you magnificent bastard. I can't even be mad because you're too good at this. I mean, I'm disappointed, even as a fan of Fire Emblem (If they were going for Three Houses, should've been Claude or Edelgard) but dude is clearly having too much fun explaining how to count in binary.
Well, there's always hope for fighter pass 2, right? I'm definitely sure *insert obscure character* will make it in then! Personally, I was more than happy with Joker, Banjo, and Terry, so anything after this is just gravy.
Well, there's always hope for fighter pass 2, right? I'm definitely sure *insert obscure character* will make it in then! Personally, I was more than happy with Joker, Banjo, and Terry, so anything after this is just gravy.
Which is what I meant. Byleth can't used the Lord's Hero's relics in Three Houses.
And my point was that Byleth is the only FE character doing stuff that can't be done in their home game, outside of Robin using Dark Tomes in their Grand Master class.
Is Smash Bros just a Mario fighting game now?
Is Smash Bros just a Pokémon fighting game now?
Is Smash Bros just a fighting game now?
And so on.
I was hoping for representation of another (i.e. any other) franchise, but I'm not surprised. Hopefully there won't be any more FE characters in the second pass or the eventual Smash sequel.
Super happy. I would've loved Claude, Dimitri or Edelgard but I'm very happy to see the Three Houses love regardless. That's 4/5 great picks for me with only the Fatal Fury guy being someone I couldn't care less about. What a brilliant pass this was.
Crowd seemed into it. It's almost like the internet hate is more of a meme than actually reflective of how people at large feel
And the same with the now upcoming Challenger's Pass in which they've already been picked in advance. It's on everyone if they want to keep being disappointed.
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You're moving goalposts. Not once did I say anything about the fighters borrowing things from other characters.
I said they're Fire Emblem characters who use swords primarily but have another Fire Emblem weapon type as a secondary weapon. That's true for all three. Yes, even Corrin. He uses dragonstones to transform.
And ok, I'll admit Robin and Corrin have some semblance of a personality but like you said they're so bland they hardly have one. It makes sense because they're supposed to be avatars but that also makes them so samey. I'm sure if we have another bland avatar in the next Fire Emblem, they'll be in Smash as well using a sword but sometimes a staff or something because they aren't just any swordsman.
Low-key with Mario, especially if we count the spin-offs as the 'Mario universe' with the main Mario games, Yoshi, DK, and Wario.
The next Smash game is almost certainly going to be a 4K re-release of Ultimate with all the DLC and the latest Pokemon mascot and Fire Emblem Lord added in.
Wolf, dark pit and Hilda all still oppose the protagonists significantly up to trying to murder them (especially wolf, lol). Hell, wolf is only even slightly leaning towards not entirely evil in assault and that DS game nobody played, and Nintendo is insistent on not making a sequel to assault, so 🤷♂️
They can wield the hero's relics though. They just can't wield them all on the same route since the game doesn't give you access to all 3 at the same time.