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Business Insider:Why aren't so many games on Google Stadia? Developers told me that Google isn't offering enough money, among other concerns
- Thread starter Kenzodielocke
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Whoever decided that Stadia should run on Linux should be fired. Not that it will solve any of Stadia's woes, but it will prevent that person from making any future decisions in relation to any Google product.
I can't believe there is less than 30 games on the thing after it's been out for so long. That is outrageous.
I'll be honest I was totally in on the idea of stadia based on the concept of the tech. I cannot believe that google got the base tech down but botched everything else so badly. The streaming worked seamlessly for me but nothing else is even remotely what was put forward. Having been downsized very shortly after launch I did return it (thank god) and even that was a horrible experience. I wonder how many people like me genuinely wanted it to succeed ended up returning it after launch or if not will re-up.
I keep seeing people try to argue against the perception that Google is constantly shutting things down, but when even developers are keeping their distance from the platform because of it, it almost doesn't even matter if it's true.
Honestly I think even if the just had a single first party game available for launch that would show a lot more commitment. At this point I'm not terribly convinced their first party support will ever materialize.
I thought they were going to go at this with a console, TBH. i genuinely thought that.
A streaming service without an offline option is a hard sell.
Also I want to add the biggest thing that turned me off was the promise of high end graphics turned out to be the biggest lie. I can't see how they compete with ps5 or XSX unless there is a radical shift in there business model.
You can already do this on xcloud as of a few months ago, if you own a game you can stream it off your own system. And with Geforce now allowing a large amount of any steam library they seem to have a good offer on the table as well.
Stadia is just coming up too short when the competition seems to be making many of the right moves and that's only talking about their streaming competition. They also have to contend with Steam, Epic, Nintendo, Microsoft, AND Sony just for a share of the gaming pie and that's also not factoring mobile which between apple arcade and bigger games like Fortnite, pubg, and CoD mobile I don't feel like they can even compete there with their library vs natively playing a game on your phone. They've put themselves in a position where they basically have to contend with everyone and everything at the same time and they just don't have the resources or allies on deck to even come close. I love the tech but they completely bungled this whole thing with their business model and approach.
Jade Raymond has indicated it could be 4-5 YEARS before she thinks you see the first major exclusive that really leverages the "power of the cloud" on Stadia. That's absurd. And in the meantime, I assume you're getting more small, timed exclusive indie games.
They should have had one game ready to go in November, that really made the case for why Stadia matters. Instead, they seem to have assumed that the tech itself would sell it.
But of course buying studios is a big upfront investment, versus staffing up new ones internally at your leisure. This was my first sign that Google might not be as committed to Stadia as people might think. One of the biggest companies on earth, launching a new platform in a fiercely competitive industry, and you couldn't be arsed to make a single big studio acquisition? At a time when Microsoft bought or founded over 7 studios?
Having a must have piece of software definitely would have only helped, instead they based a lot of the service around Destiny 2 which the base game had become free on everything and was already a few years old.
Yeah the perception is the killer. For all we know, Google really might be totally committed to Stadia, but their habit of killing off product lines makes everyone wary of them and of anything they launch. They don't seem to have realised, over the years, that they were building a reputation for themselves that would make launching any new product exceptionally difficult, because although most of what they killed wasn't super-popular, the deaths of those products disproportionately burned the early adapters who are the people most likely to help get any new tech product off the ground.
There isn't a short-term fix for that with Stadia. If they're really serious about it, they'll need to spend years proving it.
It is kind of strange how Google were rumoured to be working on this since 2016, yet the lack of any Google first-party software suggests that Stadia was rushed to market. They don't seem to have done a whole lot with the three years they were working on this and it looks like almost all of the real work started within Google in 2019, leaving them launching with ancient games and a barren release calendar.
Must be a datacenter location thing, both Stadia and Geforce Now works perfectly at my place, can't notice the latency. The small games library is Stadia's major problem as I see it.
Wait, how many games are currently available on Stadia?
28...that is such a low number and it's March.
28...that is such a low number and it's March.
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That is part of the reason why there are a lot less games on the service. It effectively adds an entirely new platform to support, especially if a studio does not have experience with making Linux based game clients.
I'm actually surprised they have not chased the smaller companies that already have Linux versions of their games on Steam, to bring over their work to Stadia.
Having a free tier is genius, giving folks a taste and getting them on the comeback
I mean, two of the 3 major consoles are running far more exotic operating systems than Linux right now (PS4 is running a BSD and Switch is running a fully custom OS which may or may not be internally referred to as "Horizon"). It's not the sort of thing that tends to be an issue if the platform is generally healthy. If Google can manage to fix the wide variety of actual issues that Stadia has, their choice of OS will fade into the background just like it did for the other consoles.
I'm sure they have, but what's the incentive? The install base is minuscule.
Basically yes. They are probably the most successful advertising company to ever exist, and they're very good at their core competency there. Maps is really their only other successful product that is revolutionary and still pushing the industry forward. Kubernetes is major too, but it seems no one really cares to stick with Google Cloud for it.
Their engineering focused, throw stuff out there and see what sticks strategy works for a bit as a smaller company, but it breeds significant ill will over years of cutting products to the point that people won't even try products because of it. This is the fundamental culture of their product management though -- I'm not sure how they regain trust from early adopters without a complete organizational reinvention.
They could have overcome it with Stadia, but the way Stadia was introduced kinda followed the pattern of most of their products. Just kinda haphazardly sticking a product out there and hoping people would just come aboard. They needed to wow the fuck outta everyone.
But ya that sentiment is going to continue to bite them in the ass.
It definitely works you might take a hit on imagine quality for it but has long as your on a 5ghz router and decent internet you should be alright (obviously straight up wired is best).
I had the chance to speak with someone who worked on some aspects of Stadia before it launched.
I think Stadia's biggest flaw is its closed off ecosystem. If Stadia was simply another way to play PC game rather than a way to play "Stadia games" then I think a lot more people would have bought it and developers would have found it worthwhile to work with Google.
I think Stadia's biggest flaw is its closed off ecosystem. If Stadia was simply another way to play PC game rather than a way to play "Stadia games" then I think a lot more people would have bought it and developers would have found it worthwhile to work with Google.
She was answering a question about where she saw Stadia in 5 years, not that it would take 5
Yeah that and the low price for founder's your not even greatly impeded by using free tier either. Nvidia where very smart about this.
What about Gmail? Google Drive/Docs? Android? They do have a lot of failures, but saying Maps is their only success is a bit hyperbolic
Borderlands 3 will be released on Steam in two weeks time and with crossplay between Steam and Epic. I checked if the Stadia version has already got the promised adjustment - not yet according to Reddit...
Or, it shows that the subscription services that are actually being sustained with actual publisher/developer support are doing something right comparatively. Stadia, if anything, shows that even a huge corporation like Google is fucked for content if they don't have anything that makes it worthwhile for the content creators.
I feel like there is less faith in Stadia than there was in the Wii U. Wii U at least had a ton of indie games.
If Stadia could just play PC games it would mean they need to have Windows based servers, putting them in business with Microsoft, who is also going to be their competitor. Microsoft is much better positioned to be the PC gaming streaming service since they own the Windows platform. Google needed a magic solution to run or convert Windows games under Linux, or at least much much better tools and support to help get games ported over.
Personally, I would feel more confident buying a new Sega console than buying into Stadia at this point.
I don't see why Stadia running it's own Linux OS is a problem. Yes, just running Steam games or whatever would be easier, but at that point Stadia isn't it's own platform, which is what Google clearly wants it to be.
That said, Stadia solely being cloud-focused is the most bone-headed move Google could have made. All the streaming competition is going to be attached to some way to download and play games locally.
Of course, whether there's a Stadia-Box you can buy doesn't matter if Google is fumbling dev relations all over the place.
That said, Stadia solely being cloud-focused is the most bone-headed move Google could have made. All the streaming competition is going to be attached to some way to download and play games locally.
Of course, whether there's a Stadia-Box you can buy doesn't matter if Google is fumbling dev relations all over the place.
I thought so until it becomes clear that had not worked anything out with the publishers. Hopefully they figure out how to get them back on board
Probably longer. And Stadia looks worse than X1X and the gap will only widen.
Making an exclusive stadia game seems like a bad decision at this point. But I'm more curious as to why there are so few games in general on stadia. Surely they're just PC games running on a PC so no "port" necessary. And the games are full price so earnings would be no different to being on any other digital storefront...And yet...it's missing so many games.
Either Google are taking an astronomical cut of those purchases (more than steams 30%?) Or there's something else going on keeping developers and publishers away?
Either Google are taking an astronomical cut of those purchases (more than steams 30%?) Or there's something else going on keeping developers and publishers away?
xCloud is poised to lead with streaming at this point. Game pass + xCloud will just kill Stadio imo.
I just really don't get it. Google makes a lot of money and is one of the biggest companies in the world. Why not just buy the bullet up front and pay for a lot of content and creators at the start to establish a fan base. Eventually things will naturally progress and things will pay for themselves. They have the ability to be a big deal but just refuse to.
I have both, techwise Stadia had a massive edge. Hopefully the rumor of xcloud playing PC games is real
But xCloud is more about reach than technical edge (makes sense considering it's running on Xbox One S blades). Playable on cellphone, huge library of games at your disposal. Netflic isn't huge because of the quality of its content (video and audio quality)but because of its reach, and the same will apply to xCloud. That's how you get the big audience needed for those services to thrive.
Geforce Now has shown that their business model is much more popular than Stadia's. I wouldn't be surprised if they change to that model while at the same time keeping their own store for games that are truly designed to run in the cloud and cannot run on local hardware. On regards to the developers perception, that can only be fixed with time and making deals that really show they are committed to the service. 5 years from now if the service is still there, it will prove a point regarding Google's commitment to Stadia.
You answered your question there. Tuning your games settings for all the bells and whistles the data centre can support is a lot simpler than porting it to a new platform.
Just look at how much stuff Geforce Now can play out of the box (licensing disagreements notwithstanding).