Can't say I'm surprised. Destiny has been a financial flop for Activision. They went into it expecting the next Halo and got a niche appeal shooter at best. Good move for both sides.
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Bungie splits with Activision; retains ownership of Destiny IP
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Wow, LTTP and already 33 pages.
So what was the cause of this "tension" that preceded even Destiny? Was it the weekly player retention as well as the microtranscation earnings expectations since I can't imagine both Destiny games sold poorly.
Also, what are the chances that Bungie, like Insomniac can stay independent for the at least a while?
So what was the cause of this "tension" that preceded even Destiny? Was it the weekly player retention as well as the microtranscation earnings expectations since I can't imagine both Destiny games sold poorly.
Also, what are the chances that Bungie, like Insomniac can stay independent for the at least a while?
And Microsoft owned Bungie yet they were let go.
It's up to EA honestly but I think they would rather run a studio into the ground and shut it down than sell it.
I'll definitely blame Bungie for giving into Activision's goals for Destiny over their own. I just don't think it is an indictment of Bungie's ability to make great games, especially after Warmind and Forsaken.
Bungie was not owned by Activision, that is the difference.
Bungie was the exception, not the rule. Microsoft understood that if it were not for Bungie there would be no Xbox division. Better to negotiate a deal to keep the Halo IP and let Bungie buy back their independence in order to keep a good business relationship in the future.
Bioware doesn't have that sort of clout.
Which is why I wonder if it's possible Activision would cut Blizzard loose. Blizzard would have to buy their way out.
I think Destiny 3 happens in 2020 but its going to have that "this probably could have just been DLC" feel that something like Hitman 2 did. Or Destiny 2 did.
Now we gotta wonder when the NetEas IP happens. THATS the future since I do believe the Destiny brand is pretty trashed now.
As others have said, it's from Vault of Glass, the first Destiny raid. Luke worked on it, so it's fitting for him to say that. He also was the lead on TTK, which was when Destiny really first got good. All the hate at Luke over base D2 shows how short some people's memories are. Also: launch D2 was better than launch D1. Don't @ me; you know it's true.
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But Warmind was Vicarious Visions and an awful lot of Forsaken was High Moon studio.
Lots of people want that, myself included. At least the first part will happen for sure.
You're a gentleman and a scholarAs others have said, it's from Vault of Glass, the first Destiny raid. Luke worked on it, so it's fitting for him to say that. He also was the lead on TTK, which was when Destiny really first got good. All the hate at Luke over base D2 shows how short some people's memories are. Also: launch D2 was better than launch D1. Don't @ me; you know it's true.
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You sound a little salty. Maybe it was the smile at the end at the end of your statement. We really don't know what their final headcount will be. Who knows maybe their are staffing cutbacks which is something that happens and isn't a sign of failure. Maybe they make such a great product and make boatloads of cash and can hire more! I'm not sure there is anything to be smug about yet.
I think Bungie cut Activision loose because they realize they could simply go to Sony or Microsoft and those platform holders will promote the hell out of Destiny 3.
Bungie got 100m from Netease last year. I wonder if Netease will invest more now. https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/1/17418862/bungie-netease-investment
I have no idea how they go forward.
For an IP like Destiny, the only real ways to sustain it over years are things like monthly subscriptions or F2P strategies like we see with Path of Exile and Warframe. But those studios are probably much smaller with far lower overhead than Bungie has presently (conjecture).
I'd think Bungie needs a couple more games on the market to make everything work well. But idk.
No more bullshit from Activision thank god.
In all fairness.
No one put a gun to Bungie's head to join up with Activision.
Net Ease just gave Second Dinner 30m for a Marvel game too. It's so funny that Actiblizz gives Diablo Immortal to Net Ease then Net Ease goes and funds possibly a HS card game competitor and Bungie lol.
What did they think would happen when they joined Activision? People on GAF and other places on the internet facepalmed at the partnership.
To be fair, most games that run into the hundreds and thousands of hours of play time don't offer any reason to do campaign missions after you do them once. Games like Diablo only have the story mode there as a vehicle to get you to the end game content. Same for Path of Exile (though to a slightly lesser degree).
It is nice that Bungie got out and got to hang onto Destiny. Hopefully should we get Destiny 3, it will be the best one yet. We'll see what happens.
Now if only Blizzard was able to get out of the deal... Sadly I have my doubts that Activision will loosen their grip on them (unless if Overwatch were to belly up suddenly while Diablo Immortal was to do as bad as the reveal was made off to be).
Now if only Blizzard was able to get out of the deal... Sadly I have my doubts that Activision will loosen their grip on them (unless if Overwatch were to belly up suddenly while Diablo Immortal was to do as bad as the reveal was made off to be).
Honestly, I thought the opposite would happen.
Bungie would forfeit the rights of the franchise over to Activision. Vicarious Visions and High Moon would take over development. Meanwhile, Bungie moves on to their new IP and self publishing.
But this is...wow. I'm definitely optimistic though. This will more than likely be a good move for everyone involved, providing Bungie isn't totally inept when it comes to project management and delivering content (I know...).
Hopefully now that Bungie has absolute and total financial and creative control, they finally deliver on the original promise and true vision of the game with Destiny 3.
Bungie would forfeit the rights of the franchise over to Activision. Vicarious Visions and High Moon would take over development. Meanwhile, Bungie moves on to their new IP and self publishing.
But this is...wow. I'm definitely optimistic though. This will more than likely be a good move for everyone involved, providing Bungie isn't totally inept when it comes to project management and delivering content (I know...).
Hopefully now that Bungie has absolute and total financial and creative control, they finally deliver on the original promise and true vision of the game with Destiny 3.
Sure, but was the decision to change the focus from accessibility to endgame content made VV/HM or Bungie? Not to diminish what they have done, but I sincerely doubt Bungie wasn't the main reason why D2 has completely changed focus. What I'm saying is the quality of content wasn't launch D2's problem, it was incentivizing player to continue engaging with that content more than once.
Good.
Now since they don't have any more "It's Activision!" for every fuck up that they make, let's see how it goes.
Now since they don't have any more "It's Activision!" for every fuck up that they make, let's see how it goes.
I know but Halo 1 2 3 and Reach carry a fuckload of weight, and you have to remember a huge lot of XBox users are now PSN users. So it would carry more weight then you think.
Please indulge me for a good minute and just imagine the scenario at play. Xbox gets a Bungie exclusive, and I can guarentee the first things you'll see is "Xbox and Bungie Together??!?!? Is Xbox Finally Gonna take 1st Place", or something along those lines will be on every news site out there.
It will carry word of mouth so fucking quick, it would be the same as HL3 releasing. Bungie and Xbox those two in people's minds runs through a bucket load of nostalgia. That's what it would run off, and the Advertising power of MS will be on the level of Halo 3 launch.
Because the people that remember it those people are going to be interested.
This sounds like a fantasy but I'm trying to show you how it would play out.
Don't you know their past? That's impossible.. Hell, they even said they will self publish.
This is good news but I'm still not into destiny. I'd hope that instead of working on a Destiny 3 they create a new IP that's closer to halo in terms of being a solid single/co op shooter without a loot focus.
Something tells me that even in independence all of thier games will still be service games.
Something tells me that even in independence all of thier games will still be service games.
? Together they created one of the biggest IPs in gaming that consistently scored and sold well.
They split amicably.
I dont see any evidence of any breakdown of relations.
I choose to believe it was Bungie's decision but I admit I'm not too sure on that because just when they decided to focus on regular players they also decided to split from Acti. But D2 is still an Acti published game and it's still gonna have this new focus on regular players despite that so again I'm not too sure.
I wouldn't be surprised if Joe Staten talking about his experience would have turned Microsoft off the idea potentially.
That's insane on so many levels. Destiny is huge. Just imagine what Bungie can achieve with a supportive publishing partner. Though this move is also quite risky, so hopefully it'll turn out well for them.
MS and Bungie had a pretty turbulent relationship.