Sony needs to hurry the fuck up and kick Jim's ass out the fucking door already.
And stop muzzling your fucking studios ffs!
And stop muzzling your fucking studios ffs!
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Bungie Senior Staff On Sony Reproductive Rights Saga: "There will never be a muzzle big enough to stop us from standing up for what's right"
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This. The guy is anathema to everything I've ever liked about PlayStation.
Jim wrote an email to Sony staff asking that the views of the other side be respected. Then he spoke at length about his cats birthdays, after saying he wants a dog because they do as they are told *wink wink*
Insomniac then wanted to make a donation to a pro-choice charity. Sony said they would match it, but they were not allowed to publicise it.
The latest is it now seems Sony has, in the past, donated to less than reputable causes.
Why? You want your purchased games be deleted?/s
Jimbo can fuck off obviously.
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You're missing some details.
- Sony apparently matches all donations by any employee to charitable organizations, as company policy. So Sony wasn't going out of their way to match Insomniac, nor did they go out of their way to donate to less reputable causes in the past.
- As per Insomniac CEO Ted Price, Sony has muzzled all of their studios and are not allowing them to take a stance or speak publicly on reproductive rights
I still can't believe how dumb Jim Ryan is. Like this ain't even a controversial issue to feel you have to give a "both sides" take. A vast majority of people are pro choice. Even in shitty ass America, 70% are pro choice. Like wtf are you doing dude. This is the easiest issue to get right. Mind boggling how a billions upon billions dollar corporation could be led by such a complete moron.
The studio head of Guerrilla Games (Angie Smets) and the game director of Horizon 2 both retweeted Bungie's statement in agreement, but nothing from the studio's official account or anything.
49% pro choice / 47% pro life.
There is a sizable amount of the population that is fine with Roe v Wade but are otherwise pro life (cognitive dissonance likely being it's law so why change what is currently working).
While Jim is a shit heel I can only assume this is bigger than him. I'd be happy to see him canned but it goes higher up than him and is not just Playstation.
I'm curious if this ends up actually being built into the Bungie deal. Bungie MAY ACTUALLY have some level of autonomy from Sony, with the way that Sony is allowing Bungie to retain its own board and stuff. But.. I also share some skepticism that there is literally no muzzle for Bungie. If there really is that big of a substantive difference between what Insomniac has (where Ted Price says that in some cases, like this one, SIE wins flat out) and Bungie, that will be interesting. And I think underscores how good of a deal Bungie was offered.
Either way, very good to see them stick to their guns, in the face of Gamers revolting. Even if they're not part of Sony.. so.. of course there's no muzzle right now.
Either way, very good to see them stick to their guns, in the face of Gamers revolting. Even if they're not part of Sony.. so.. of course there's no muzzle right now.
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Unfortunately this has still not garnered much traction around the internet. Next to nothing in news articles, Twitter responses, etc... The vast majority of the conversation around it is being had here, from what I can tell.
My guess is Sony, like always, is just going to attempt to stay silent on this and hope it blows over.
Kinda weird to do so because at the time it doesn't align with your own position.
we can call him trying to gag their staff shitty though. That's just wrong on every imaginable level.
huh? not sure what you're saying here. i don't think companies should match donations to anti-abortion charities. that's my position.
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Exactly... that's your position. What if you are of the anti-abortion crowd. Clearly, they exist. Hell there are even countries where there are country-wide laws against stuff like that.
My position is that I have no qualms with a company matching donations to any common-law charity. It's just all-around better for companies t to be neutral, especially when you consider that they would usually have people on either side of the fence working for them. Or should we also say, if take for instance you are anti-abortion, based on your faith, the company shouldn't even employ you?
Good.
As far as I am concerned, keeping Jim Ryan around is bad for business and morale. See the door sir.
As far as I am concerned, keeping Jim Ryan around is bad for business and morale. See the door sir.
If you're on the side of being against women's rights, at the very least I'd expect you to shut the fuck up and not bring your bigotry to work with you.
You're not really being neutral if you're equally empowering positive and negative change.
if you're "of the anti-abortion crowd" then you're a piece of shit and your employers shouldn't enable your rancid anti female ideology, pretty simple.
why are you worried about the feelings of people who want to strip women of their reproductive rights..?
agreed. on the shutting up art and even telling staff to not publicize shit.
I am just talking about matching donations here. And as far as that is concerned, being neutral means that you are just supporting whatever charities your workers support. As long as they are common law.... that is law has been passed in recognition of it. The second you pick one side over the other, at least with your support, you re no longer neutral.
again... I am talking about the donations.
I think I was clear in my post about where i stand on ihm saying whatever the fuck he said and telling staff not to publicize their position.
why the fixation on neutrality? why can't we hope/want that companies choose to be good instead of neutral?
They seem like one of the few big gaming companies who are actually trying to get a lot of their shit together atleastThey still have their problem that they need to fix
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Simple really.
"good" as we see it here is in truth subjective. From person to person and even country to country. Some countries have 100%restrictions, some have partial restrictions. Some even have it as a requirement. Eg, Great Britain amongst others has it restricted unless under certain circumstances.
It's naive of anyone to look at the entire world as plainly black or white. And companies have no business doing that. I would have an issue with a company that takes a solid stance on these kinda issues. Because that stance can be for or against. I rather they remain neutral and support whatever causes their workers choose to pursue.
There are a lot of things I hope for. But I also know that's just not how things work.
There is always a disconnect, when people hear about FOX News and the like is "well, they a shit, abhorrent company" as its natural state and give them somewhat of a pass in their shit views because that's how they are, but a "good" company should be neutral, and they will always push against good action from companies because they must be neutral at all cost, no matter what. Centrists are complicit to the right and they are oblivious to it.
'Pro-Choice' or 'Pro-Life' Demographic Table
Americans' identification as "pro-choice" or "pro-life" on abortion is provided here in tabular form, with breakouts by key population subgroups.
news.gallup.com
Lydia Saad from Gallup noted why unlike many other social issues, attitudes regarding abortion haven't really changed nor are they likely to, which is going to keep it as a very divided issue (and why companies for the most part are hesitant to weigh in on it).
Americans' Steady -- and Deeply Divided -- Views on Abortion
Lydia Saad, Gallup's director of U.S. social research, joins the podcast to discuss Americans' persisting division on the issue of abortion.
news.gallup.com
Bingo. Lots of people who don't care much about Roe v Wade existing and won't care if it ceases to exist either.
I've seen this a few times now, why are we saying this?
There's been a lot of negative publicity from Jim. Why is this a Sony problem? Why are Sony ok with looking bad?