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Buffy’ Star Michelle Trachtenberg Alleges “Not Appropriate Behavior” By Joss Whedon On Series; Gellar speaks out
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We're all flawed, sure, but there's a a big difference between the behaviour described in this thread and run of the mill "nobody's perfect".
I'm not in anyway excusing his behaviour and I'm sorry if it read like that.
This feels like the same shit where wealthy and famous celebs who were guests on her show for a sliver of time were caping up for Ellen when it started to come out how it was for some of the employees there to work under her.
Speaking of which, has anyone come forward about what Joss was like on the set of Firefly? There is the possibility with the short lived nature of the series that they didn't have the chance to see Joss's shittier side which would probably be the only good thing about Firefly's cancellation.
I think Firefly was mostly Tim Minear's show. Joss directed like 3 episodes and got writing credits on them all but I think it was mostly left to Minear to run.
Those were much bigger actors, and a huge Hollywood production. Think he didn't really have as much power to say compared to working with small budget TV productions where he got to boss around "nobodies". I kinda doubt he would have gotten away with such behavior with someone as high up as Scarjo
I can't recall anything.
The cast make up is fairly different though (more men, women seem a bit older than on Buffy for the most part, though I guess that's also true with Angel...). It's possible he was rarely in a position to show his worst there.
He basically ruined a season and a half of the show Angel just to fuck with and harass Charisma Carpenter for getting a pregnant. What a piece of shit.
Put some thoughts in the other thread but does anyone remember how Joss Whedon was really excited to meet Ronald D Moore. And RDM apparently only said like two words to him and blew him off. That's a vague memory from an interview and probably a bit of headcanon.
You're the only good one left.
You're the only good one left.
nah nah, you don't get to so you can consume media the person still profits from guilt free.
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I remember back when it aired and I was so confused why they were doing this to Cordelia's character. Now we know.
What makes this so much worse is Whedon never apologizing. I know running a show can be super stressful and the stress could have an affect and lead to people acting in ways they normally wouldn't. But after things calm down I expect them to realize the hurt they caused and desire to make amends. Whedon doesn't seem to give a shit. Which means this seems to be his true nature.
Kind of like Hyperion is a Sci-if classic that is now tainted because Dan Simmons is a raging right wing douche (unless he's changed).
Kind of like Hyperion is a Sci-if classic that is now tainted because Dan Simmons is a raging right wing douche (unless he's changed).
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I never knew this and that's kinda weird because from what I remember of Hyperion it was incredibly pro-environment. But looking it up he's a climate change denier and mocked Greta Thunberg? That is shocking to me.
Was this really how people were using the joke? because that seems like a wild interpretation.
Lots of people used to seriously use it to defend liking, and continuing to support Harry Potter. I'm a bit tired of hearing "it's just a joke bro" when someone's called out on something.
I didn't say it's "just a joke bro." I acknowledged that it was joke, that's different. and nobody in my circles used it that way, so I was asking. thanks
edit: also very sorry that you are a bit tired.
It's interesting to see that Whedon was a shitbird very early in his career. Most people need a high level of success to really let their baser impulses go.
On the topic of Dan Simmons, some of his other works, particularly Carrion Comfort, shows he was never a very good guy. There's a whole section in Philly that just reeks of racism.
On the topic of Dan Simmons, some of his other works, particularly Carrion Comfort, shows he was never a very good guy. There's a whole section in Philly that just reeks of racism.
I wonder if he was always this way. 9/11 made a lot of people go crazy.
edit: ^^^^^^^ well answers that question.
Dont the actors (including the victims) also profit from it? It's still their work too.
Couldn't really care less about Harry Potter. But for Buffy, Angel, Firefly etc. Alot of great people were involved and their work was far too good to ignore. I don't feel any guilt in still loving those shows. Afterall it's the characters I grew attached to. Xander. Spike. Angel. Mal. Buffy..Cordelia. Lorne. Wesley. Lindsay. Etc.
That said I couldn't ever watch anything he is attached to in future. Not that I expect he will have a future career now. But i became fans of those actors and follow their work thanks mostly to being introduced to them through these shows.
Unlikely outside of syndication, or if they were a big enough start to get executive producer credit (sometimes happens in later seasons).
Joss, based on from what I've seen as far as responses from celebs that said only positive things, particularly the Avengers cast and some of the TV shows he worked on (Alan Tudyk for example), combined with some of the bad stories as we've seen (putting it lightly), seems to be the type of guy who acts this way for two main reasons:
1) He believes his contributions give him carte blanche, as the letters his wife talks about and his gross behaviors and attitudes towards woman began after Buffy the Vampire Slayer began. A show viewed as major feminist pop culture, he himself viewed as a major male feminist figurehead. He can get away with some of this because in the end the way he writes them is "powerful" because his fans will defend him as a feminist.
2) A control freak. Shit doesn't go his way, he gets pissy, berates people, goes off. Based on some earlier posts in this thread regarding James Marsters, the Charisma Carpenter situation, what Ray Fisher cites on Justice League, and honestly I remember the way the production on Age of Ultron was coming out of it after it released, articles made the behind the scenes on it sound not great. Then again, Feige took over Marvel Studios right after it.
Keep in mind I'm not excusing any of his behavior. It's completely disgusting, but I'm just saying based on the interviews and what people have said, that's where I'm guessing this shit comes from. If you want to know why some people genuinely speak positively and it isn't just the men, it's probably because he had complete control of whatever he was working on and they were like "cool."
Was there any indication of something going on behind the scenes when it came to Emma Claulfield?
I think he *might* have survived the Ray Fisher thing with the way WB tried to bury it. This thing combined with that, not so much. He's gonna be lucky to direct music videos for Limp Bizkit after this.
I think the Ray Fisher incident is already a strong stake to the coffin, given how Warner , according to Fisher, tried to focus the blame on him and Jon Berg, to lessen and to divert attention from Geoff John's.
Isn't the story behind Dollhouse is she basically called him up and said "make me a show"? Big ask.
I dunno how much more info has to come out about this puke to get him thrown in the ocean for good.
He's a rich white man.There's a non 0 chance that he just waits 5 years and is back to directing his actor friends again. Or continues to write movies while studios downplay or obscure the fact it's him.
Then just own up to it, and say you watch it in spite of it being crated by joss wedon. Don't say "tee hee, some vocod star totally wrote and directed the avengers" so you can enjoy it guilt free. Say you support the actors, and everyone else who made it. There's nothing wrong with that. (general you, not you you)
The 20th anniversary Buffy pic is very awkward to see in hindsight.
The photo was probably a composition of many photos. For 1 it seemed like David Boreanaz didn't want to be in the same room as Nicholas Brendon. That's why Brendon wasn't in the videos they recorded.
You can't divorce the show from the conditions it was created under and the mind it came from, I'm afraid.
I certainly wouldn't say that you're required to cut everything with Whedon's name on it out of your life, but the proper and reasonable thing to do is to try and reconcile the quality of the art with the horrible nature of the artist rather than pretending that he had nothing to do with it just for the sake of you feeling better.
Its not really possible to get into trouble because of internet gossip
This and "what about Emma Caulfield?" style posts need to not be a thing. What we know is bad enough, speculating on this stuff like you'd speculate on a mystery show is some creepy ass shit.
Are you talking about Dan Schneider? Years ago Nickelodeon chose to not extend their contract with him and he currently does have any TV shows on or in production.
he got multiple shows after people start talking about his young teen feet thing. the JLS thing i know is heavy internet theorizing on top of it
Wales Comic Con 2017 Part One - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Panel
Emma Caulfield and Nicholas Brendon from 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' answer questions from the audience during a panel at day one of Wales Comic Con 2017 on S...
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Go to around 18:10.
Please dont give these abusers an out, no matter how light hearted you think your attempt was. Name and shame them.
The 20th anniversary Buffy pic is very awkward to see in hindsight.
Well, that's the last time we'll see them together.
