Yup the notion that I have to respect someone just because they are older is bullshit. Fuck that. Respect is earned.
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Buck Angel Has had a Complete Meltdown on Twitter.
- Thread starter excelsiorlef
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He's mad that younger trans folks believe trans identity is a wider spectrum than his own personal definition? That's why he's been throwing all these tantrums?
I know I'm sick right now so my brain is only operating at half capacity, but wow.
These tweets go even further, he's just spouting blatant TERF talking points and agreeing with outright TERFs.
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Yeah, fuck these two. The way Buck Angel is making fun of "They" as a pronoun is especially gross. God, fuck TERFs
Yeah and Lord of Ostia is correct, he's going a lot further into full blown terf territory today which I don't even understand
Thanks, Excel. It's like he's trying to pay the "fuck you, got mine" card for trans identity.
Who is this person?
Seems to get pretty mad pretty quick.... especially complaining about name calling then calling people twats.
Seems to get pretty mad pretty quick.... especially complaining about name calling then calling people twats.
They all think that way. It's just code for "your bigotry is welcome here"
Because TERFism doesn't apply to him as a trans man. TERFism is directed almost solely at transwomen.
That's not to say that transmen don't face anti-trans bigotry (they absolutely do). Just generally not from TERFs specifically.
They're just right-wingers who are finding that, go figure, the bigots are much friendlier to people already sympathetic to their views.
I'm always mixed on the notion of "respect is earned" because 'respect' is too broad a concept to be summarized that way, and leads down a path justifying the sort of respectability politics that Buck Angel himself has internalized. Still, it's not hard to draw a line between excluding bigots from discourse vs. normalizing the belief that bigots actually will perform respect when specific conditions are meant (because, really, they won't). I just think it's better to be explicit about it.
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He's a transgender man who seems to thinks they are the final authority on trans issues and his positions are pretty fucked and "fuck you got mine".
And before you go looking I don't usually bring this up (not pertinent and Idon't care) but Buck is famous for porn, before you do a google search.
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Truly embarrassing shit. Fuck Buck Angel and also Contrapoints for giving this fucker a platform.
Good thing Contrapoints promoted and then kept defending this asshole.
HAHAHA true.
Who is this guy?
I learned about that youtuber not long ago, precisely because of her tweet. Fuck terfs.
I learned about that youtuber not long ago, precisely because of her tweet. Fuck terfs.
B-but you don't get it, clearly his heart is in the right place and I can change him!
I think reading that particular exchange, especially the bit at the end about climate change, has reduced my intelligence.
Will promoting an anti-Bernie tweet be what finally gets BreadTube to turn on this fuckhead?
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I wonder if any of the folks who were making excuses will even show their faces in this thread.
As a very outside observer whose biggest exposure to this furor has been via the Contrapoints video, this seems...really bad.
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Wow this dude is a disaster. I'm nominally familiar with him after the whole ContraPoints thing and this makes her look bad by proxy. What a fucking mess.
I don't know who the guy in the OP is and I didn't know who Sam Pancake was before this episode of Lovett or Leave It, but here's his thoughts on the importance of elder gays which I thought was pretty compelling:
The most charitable opinion I can offer for respectability politics is that these people fear backlash and are attempting to curry favor with their oppressors. You can guess this is not a winning strategy long-term and leaves people with whom they share more in common otherwise in the lurch.
(This is one of the reasons why I never fully got on board with the idea of "false consciousness" and tend to believe that white privilege is practically as important a form of solidarity, at least in, say, the US, as class solidarity among the wealthy for the preservation of privilege.)
Still there is also a pretty heaping helping of internalized bigotry in the whole thing. A belief that the way things are is as good as it gets, too. Failures of imagination in terms of seeing how much better and worse things can get at any time.
Most equality movements begin from the position that marginalized people deserve the same rights as the unoppressed majority. This is a complicated struggle that many people have fought and died during. Women who fought for the same rights as men, African Americans who fought for the same rights as whites, and queer people who fought for the same rights as straights. What sometimes happens, both on the broader and on the individual level, is that people fight to become part of the status quo instead of dismantling the status quo.
What this means is that people fighting for equality only achieve equality on the terms of their oppressors. Black people are treated with respect but only if they act like white people, women are treated with dignity but only if they act like men, and queer people are treated with respect as long as they don't act gay. This is, at best, a stepping stone to equality and not the goal of any actual equality movement. Some people stop here, believing they have achieved equality, and continue to reject their own identity in favor of the new identity mandated by their new tenuous allies.
An easy example I can think of in the feminist movement is famed artist Georgia O'Keefe. She worked very hard to gain respect within the art community, and was in fact respected, but only by shedding feminine aesthetic and divorcing her work from her gender. As she aged, she struggled with the fact second wave feminists celebrated her as a woman artist because she felt like she spent her whole life trying not to be seen as "a woman." She was never an enemy to this sort of change (to my knowledge) but it is worth highlighting that for her feminism was distracting from the fact she was a woman whereas future feminists wanted to emphasize the fact she was a woman.
This mindset, that equality comes from suppression rather than expression, is something we occasionally see in the queer community too.
Buck Angel believes queer people, especially trans people, should adhere to strict cishet (cisgender/heterosexual) expectations of gender and sexuality because this is what he has been warped to believe equality is. Instead of seeing new age queer people as a succeeding generation of LGBT who started an equality movement of their own, he sees them as the enemy. He sees them as a threat to how he perceives equality.
This sort of inter-queer prejudice is not exclusive to any specific type of queer person. But Buck Angel is a good example of someone who found a degree of success and respect in his life and now believes he is the authority on that. He wields and flexes his success against other queer people in a way that benefits cishet definitions of normalcy because it is only within this framework he believes equality can exist. Not on queer terms, on straight terms.
There is room for trans people who adhere to binary gender norms. There are lots of trans people like this. This is not wrong, or bad, or a problem. Just like there are butch and femme lesbians, or gay men who are really flamboyant and gay men who are more reserved. There is not a wrong way to express your identity. What is wrong is using your identity as a weapon against other people - especially people fighting for the same respect as you. At that point you have found equality only in the sense you've become part of the oppressive status quo yourself.
Buck Angel's emotions are likely driven by fear on some level. Terrible crimes and gross inhumanities are committed against trans people all over the world. A lot of older trans people adopted a more reserved notion of trans identity as a necessity for survival. Letting someone know you were trans could end your career - or even your life. I cannot imagine the stress associated with that kind of existence. It must be very difficult to live your life wanting to be invisible and blend in so you can feel safe and then be met with a new generation of trans people who are far more out and proud than you ever dared to be. When so much of your survival depended on privacy, it is probably extremely difficult to reconcile the loud and proud youth movement of today with your own lifelong experience.
Buck Angel was a forerunner of the trans movement and a hero to trans men back when there were no others like him. He showed what could be possible with their bodies and in society. When queer culture surpassed him he had the choice to learn from his successors or oppose them. He chose to oppose them. He got what he always wanted: to sit at the same table as those who opposed his existence. Now he joins them in threatening, antagonizing, and opposing the civil rights of his own people.
I am cisgender so if I mispoke or explained something incorrectly I hope a trans member will correct me. I apologize if I was inexact in any explanation or example in the above.
Edit: Fixed some bad grammar.
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she didn't actually do that though, if you watch the video she says that she doesn't agree with all of his views and her giving him a 10 second voice over on the channel is not "platforming" him and also that if he continues on this path she would disassociate from him.
watching videos is hard i guess 🤨
anyway that last tweet in the op is extra horrid.
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Scumbag unsurprisingly continues to be a scumbag. There was never a middle ground with this guy, who's been consistently and blatantly awful. That's why the Contrapoints threads full of people brushing aside the things he's done and said have been so frustrating
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She dedicated 20 minutes largely to massively downplay his bigotry.
Transcript of "Canceling" — ContraPoints
Read the transcript for video essay "Canceling" by Natalie Wynn, creator of ContraPoints
www.contrapoints.com
She also said you know looking into what he did to Lana Wachowski makes us just like Kiwiwfarms nazis but sure.
Ironically while defending herself from claims she platformed him, she did much more to platform him than those 10 seconds did.
This section from the transcript is pretty hilarious in light of Buck going wild.
And yet she still invited him to be in her video 🤔
I can say the sky is purple but that doesn't make it true.
He's been on this path for years. She knew who he was and didn't care.