Then why are the government and so many posters here so eager to make her Bangladesh's problem? Why doesn't Britain take her back and prosecute her?
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British schoolgirl that left to join ISIS in 2015 says she has no regrets but wants to return home to the UK
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Then why are the government and so many posters here so eager to make her Bangladesh's problem? Why doesn't Britain take her back and prosecute her?
No they aren't, don't be dramatic. She has nothing to do with them. Or is everyone who ever voiced support for the Iraq War culpable for the (much higher) number of dead there?
Don't get me wrong, it is a shitty thing to say about the Manchester bombing, but it is just an opinion.
She should be brought back to the Uk and made to face justice as a British citizen. Kicking her out only exposes her and her child to greater radicalisation.
Don't know whether you've seen Boris Johnson's position on Brexit, but he's done more active harm to the country than a dozen radicalised British schoolgirls.
You know, I'm really glad to see some people out there with this viewpoint. Because I've been pretty shocked to see the tone here has mostly been the same as the vile underbelly of Facebook and the gutter press.
Well, given that she was being groomed and radicalised from the age of 13...
Now come on this not the same as the sort of stuff you get on Facebook as that stuff is truly vile, if it were that type of stuff this thread would be locked and there would be many bans would there not?
The misguided dreams told to her that she was doing something noble, fighting for her people, special, a heroine/bride of justice, probably. They sold her a fantasy that the young, inexperienced, lonely, impressionable and insecure find very attractive. All things that teenagers tend to have in some measure. And now she's living in squalor, married again and again to probable near strangers, having babies only to have them die in that same filth. It's horrible. Whatever you think of her, she's been reaping what she's sown.
If a 13 year old is groomed to join a cult I'm certain they are usually deemed a victim.
She isn't completly innocent but it's scary to me how her age at which this began seems to have become irrelevant to many.
She isn't completly innocent but it's scary to me how her age at which this began seems to have become irrelevant to many.
Hatred. We have young white kids joining Neo Nazi groups who openly use violence against British minorities, have killed a member of Parliament, but we wont strip them of their citizenship for being associated to them.
Agreed. The precedent this sets is a dangerous one too, as seen by the Windrush scandal. Infact, Sajid Javid as Home Secretary was perhaps the best move the Tories could've made to double down on their hostile environment policy and sidestep the obvious tiered treatment based on heritage. Hope the law comes through here, this isnt right, everyone should be judge on equal terms, no matter how heinous the crime .
Hang on I've just read home office minister Ben Wallace confirmed last year that an estimated 400 Britons had returned to the uk from fighting in the middle East with ISIS and others groups.
How exactly is that deemed acceptable yet this girl gets her citizenship revoked.
Fcuk Sajid Javid!!! His simply trying to appease the right.
Well done to Diane Abbott, the SNP and Lib Dems who have criticised this decision.
How exactly is that deemed acceptable yet this girl gets her citizenship revoked.
Fcuk Sajid Javid!!! His simply trying to appease the right.
Well done to Diane Abbott, the SNP and Lib Dems who have criticised this decision.
Good on the UK for tearing up her citizenship. Letting her back in would set a terrible precedent.
I believe they were able to come back themselves, with no mechanism for the government to stop them doing so. Begum was publicly asking to be brought back with a mechanism and precedent for revoking her citizenship.
Not letting her back into the country is in itself a right wing thought
I would have thought an Irish person would have a more nuanced perspective on the British government making someone stateless just cos "terrorist"
A terrorist bombed the Manchester Arena, obviously for that reason we should force a potential/actual terrorist who was radicalised in Britain on Syria/Bangladesh, and deny her 2 day old child the chance of a normal life in the UK
Truly the actions of a civilised country
But these people would be arrested, investigated and if found to be guilty of crimes punished.
That is how justice works rather than just dumping someone not liked on somebody else with no judicial process at all.
The fact that she was radicalised at 13 (give or take) is pertinent, but presumably so is the fact that now, as an adult she still believes she was in the right and shows no remorse or regret. Does it then follow that she is still radicalised, and is there an argument that she should be allowed back to the country in where she can be kept better under a watchful eye?
It was a tough one but I think the right decision was made.
If she showed an ounce of remorse and genuinely wanted to reintegrate then maybe I'd have been more supportive but she's clearly trying to abuse the system she renounced and has no remorse whatsoever. And the general tone of her communications has done her no favour whatsoever in the court of public opinion.
If she showed an ounce of remorse and genuinely wanted to reintegrate then maybe I'd have been more supportive but she's clearly trying to abuse the system she renounced and has no remorse whatsoever. And the general tone of her communications has done her no favour whatsoever in the court of public opinion.
I don't know how secure these camps are but it's possible she is a target if she goes against her views while there and with no way out? Might be illogical however, if she regretted everything, would she already be back in the UK, I don't know.
Sure, but you know that's not the point I was countering.
Seems pretty black and white that she should return. She was radicalised here (UK) is a British citizen, and has no other citizenship. Home Office "believes" her mum is from Bangladesh, but the daughter didn't apply for citizenship. So even if she can apply for Bangladeshi citizenship, she's stateless right now.
And honestly, most of the discourse in this thread seems entirely revenge-induced and disgusting, stuff I would expect to read on Guido Fawkes or the Daily Mail. She was groomed here, she's our problem, no one else's. Bring her back, jail her, rehabilitate her, give the baby to a better family. Turning her away just keeps the cycle going and shows we don't care about taking the hard but just choice.
And honestly, most of the discourse in this thread seems entirely revenge-induced and disgusting, stuff I would expect to read on Guido Fawkes or the Daily Mail. She was groomed here, she's our problem, no one else's. Bring her back, jail her, rehabilitate her, give the baby to a better family. Turning her away just keeps the cycle going and shows we don't care about taking the hard but just choice.
The assumption seems to be she has default Bangladeshi citizenship under Jus Sanguinis. The whole issue of whether she can come back seems to hinge on this.
She was never going to be allowed back after this media tour she did. She publicised herself and made it a matter of public interest. From what I understand she also didn't enter Turkey/Syria using here own passport, she used her sisters and it was confiscated. So for her to come back to the UK government would have needed to actively help her. No chance they were going to risk the public backlash. If she really wanted to come back she should have kept her mouth shut, never done any interviews and just tried to do it quietly through the relevant channels.
She also dug her grave even more with how remorseless she was in the interviews. She effectively justified the killing of innocent kids but today said it was "unfair" that the UK revoked her citizenship? Woooooooooow, the lack of self awareness this women has is insane.
She also dug her grave even more with how remorseless she was in the interviews. She effectively justified the killing of innocent kids but today said it was "unfair" that the UK revoked her citizenship? Woooooooooow, the lack of self awareness this women has is insane.
Why luckily?
People like that should never be allowed to come back.
Because leaving people stateless is a ridiculous idea. We have laws and judiciary to deal with criminals.
There are plenty of politicians in this country that have not only justified, but actively made decisions which had led to the deaths of innocent kids. A lot of citizenships need to be revoked if that is the standard.
This shit actually makes me angry as hell. Wait for him? He should get life imprisonment if he really did fight with IS, fuck him. The fact that she's deciding to stay with him says enough about her wanting to distance herself from this whole ordeal.
They probably won't give her citizenship here anyway, maybe the poor child.
Honestly everything that comes out of her mouth infuriates me.
Oh I completely agree it is. But I think if you let her into the country you start to get a very tight wing view that leads to taking back border controls and our country.
She is unsympathetic af. That is true. But in a country where it's the law and human rights govern then we cannot take decisions based on feelings and the like.
Also it sets a very bad, untenable precedent to deny her access when we in western states at the same time require or ask for foreign countries to take in criminal nationals that we have kicked out of the country for example.
Also it sets a very bad, untenable precedent to deny her access when we in western states at the same time require or ask for foreign countries to take in criminal nationals that we have kicked out of the country for example.
She should be tried in court here and her blameless child should be able to return.
Like the death penalty, a government being able to revoke citizenship isn't something that should exist in our legal apparatus.
Like the death penalty, a government being able to revoke citizenship isn't something that should exist in our legal apparatus.
No, a lot of it's exactly the same arguments. I'm seeing the same arguments reposted on racist alt-right pro-Brexit pages and here.
"I joined ISIS"
"Yeah, please don't come back"
"I don't care that I saw dead bodies and heads decapitated"
"Yeah, nah, your UK passport is void"
"But... But why?"
"Do you really have to ask?"
"I named my baby after a Jew murderer!"
"You... you just keep digging that hole..."
"Yeah, please don't come back"
"I don't care that I saw dead bodies and heads decapitated"
"Yeah, nah, your UK passport is void"
"But... But why?"
"Do you really have to ask?"
"I named my baby after a Jew murderer!"
"You... you just keep digging that hole..."
I haven't been following the story, but I would have thought that if she's still a British citizen, she should be brought back and appropriately charged with what she has done. I suppose it would just be easier to cut ties and leave her there though, although I don't know if there is any protocol for revoking citizenship.
Difference is no UK politician is seeking citizenship/relocation to Iraq or Afghanistan. If Blair had any right to Iraqi or Afghanistani citizenship and he ever tried to seek relocation to Iraq or Afghanistan don't worry he face an even bigger backlash.
In the same breath this girls is seeking assistance from a country in which she justified the killing of it's own kids. Seems like a case of have your cake and eat. I hate your country, I hate your people, I hate your way of life, I joined and supported a group that actively called for the destruction of your country, I support the killing of your kids but oh did I mention I want to come back and live here. Wtf......
Leave her where, Syria?
Syria I would expect will want to deport her.
I kinda agree, but a couple of things:
- Managed return is a waste of resources and an unnecessary risk to the wellbeing of agents/officials. Don't prevent her return, but that shit is on her to sort out. The handcuffs will be waiting at Heathrow.
- Given the history of attempting deradicalisation, I'm not sure it's worth the investment on someone so vocally unrepentant.
I've changed my tune a bit as more facts have come to light and the bold bit is the main reason why.
I think by making her story public to begin with rather than trying to quietly return to Britain she's put herself in the spotlight (or her family has)
And this case is seen as an 'easy' win to cheer up the 'masses' while never releasing any historic facts or news of significance
I wouldn't go out of my way to 'bring her home' but if she happens to make her own way back then she can be dealt with accordingly and the kid put up for adoption (if necessary) (probably will be)
And closely monitor her and all her contacts until deemed not a security risk. Or for life if needs be
I understand that. This would never have been a story if say the Syrian government was in a position to say deport her. They would of wanted to deport her back to Britain and this wouldn't have been seen as some kind of ridiculous act which the home office should oppose. Like it or not she has to land somewhere and there is no reason why it shouldn't be Britain as she is British.