Then why are the government and so many posters here so eager to make her Bangladesh's problem? Why doesn't Britain take her back and prosecute her?
I feel sorry for her child. But do you know what? She gets to keep her child, and see it grow up. Unlike the parents of the kids of the Manchester bombing that this person said ISIS were within their rights to kill.
They are the true victims here. And anyone else that ISIS killed. Where are their rights?
Except its not that simple. They also have to prove they actively went against the crown or the country's best interests and other steps
I feel sorry for her child. But do you know what? She gets to keep her child, and see it grow up.
Jesus Christ guys
ERA "Bastion of progressive values" dont make me fucking sick. as soon asthere is something you guys dont understand all that shit goes out the door. its progressive values for me but not for everyone else.
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To advocate for revenge or stripping of her citizenship means that you dont give a shit about preventing terrorism. you dont give a shit about protecting children in dangerous situations and you certainty dont give a shit about basic human rights.
I wonder wtf must be in your head to decide to join ISIS at 15.
You know, I'm really glad to see some people out there with this viewpoint. Because I've been pretty shocked to see the tone here has mostly been the same as the vile underbelly of Facebook and the gutter press.
Now come on this not the same as the sort of stuff you get on Facebook as that stuff is truly vile, if it were that type of stuff this thread would be locked and there would be many bans would there not?Because I've been pretty shocked to see the tone here has mostly been the same as the vile underbelly of Facebook and the gutter press.
I wonder wtf must be in your head to decide to join ISIS at 15.
Hatred. We have young white kids joining Neo Nazi groups who openly use violence against British minorities, have killed a member of Parliament, but we wont strip them of their citizenship for being associated to them.I wonder wtf must be in your head to decide to join ISIS at 15.
Agreed. The precedent this sets is a dangerous one too, as seen by the Windrush scandal. Infact, Sajid Javid as Home Secretary was perhaps the best move the Tories could've made to double down on their hostile environment policy and sidestep the obvious tiered treatment based on heritage. Hope the law comes through here, this isnt right, everyone should be judge on equal terms, no matter how heinous the crime .You know, I'm really glad to see some people out there with this viewpoint. Because I've been pretty shocked to see the tone here has mostly been the same as the vile underbelly of Facebook and the gutter press.
Good on the UK for tearing up her citizenship. Letting her back in would set a terrible precedent.
Not only is she a threat, she will only lead to further right wing thoughts from the UK Population if she is allowed back into the country.
Fixed that for you there.
They can't just go around pulling citizenship for any reason. It has to be justifiable.
Being a terrorist is a justifiable reason
I feel sorry for her child. But do you know what? She gets to keep her child, and see it grow up. Unlike the parents of the kids of the Manchester bombing that this person said ISIS were within their rights to kill.
They are the true victims here. And anyone else that ISIS killed. Where are their rights?
I believe they were able to come back themselves, with no mechanism for the government to stop them doing so. Begum was publicly asking to be brought back with a mechanism and precedent for revoking her citizenship.
But these people would be arrested, investigated and if found to be guilty of crimes punished.
That is how justice works rather than just dumping someone not liked on somebody else with no judicial process at all.
Seems pretty black and white that she should return. She was radicalised here (UK) is a British citizen, and has no other citizenship. Home Office "believes" her mum is from Bangladesh, but the daughter didn't apply for citizenship. So even if she can apply for Bangladeshi citizenship, she's stateless right now.
And honestly, most of the discourse in this thread seems entirely revenge-induced and disgusting, stuff I would expect to read on Guido Fawkes or the Daily Mail. She was groomed here, she's our problem, no one else's. Bring her back, jail her, rehabilitate her, give the baby to a better family. Turning her away just keeps the cycle going and shows we don't care about taking the hard but just choice.
Why luckily?
She was never going to be allowed back after this media tour she did. She publicised herself and made it a matter of public interest. From what I understand she also didn't enter Turkey/Syria using here own passport, she used her sisters and it was confiscated. So for her to come back to the UK government would have needed to actively help her. No chance they were going to risk the public backlash. If she really wanted to come back she should have kept her mouth shut, never done any interviews and just tried to do it quietly through the relevant channels.
She also dug her grave even more with how remorseless she was in the interviews. She effectively justified the killing of innocent kids but today said it was "unfair" that the UK revoked her citizenship? Woooooooooow, the lack of self awareness this women has is insane.
Why luckily?
People like that should never be allowed to come back.
She also dug her grave even more with how remorseless she was in the interviews. She effectively justified the killing of innocent kids but today said it was "unfair" that the UK revoked her citizenship? Woooooooooow, the lack of self awareness this women has is insane.
Shamima Begum, the teenager who travelled from east London to Syria to join Islamic State in 2015, has described Home Office plans to strip her of citizenship as "kind of heart-breaking".
"I don't know what to say," she told ITV News. "I am not that shocked but I am a bit shocked. It's a bit upsetting and frustrating. I feel like it's a bit unjust on me and my son."
The home secretary, Sajid Javid, wrote to her family informing them he had made an order revoking her citizenship. He said the fact Begum's parents are of Bangladeshi heritage means she can apply for citizenship of that country – though Begum says she has never been there.
The ITV News security editor, Rohit Kachroo, showed her a copy of the letter at the Syriarefugee camp where she is being held.
She said of the letter: "It's kind of heart-breaking to read. My family made it sound like it would be a lot easier for me to come back to the UK when I was speaking to them in Baghouz. It's kind of hard to swallow.
"I heard that other people are being sent back to Britain so I don't know why my case is any different to other people, or is it just because I was on the news four years ago?" she said.
"Another option I might try with my family is my husband is from Holland and he has family in Holland. Maybe I can ask for citizenship in Holland. If he gets sent back to prison in Holland I can just wait for him while he is in prison."
Javid is facing condemnation from Labour over his move to remove British citizenship from Begum.
On Wednesday morning the solicitor for the Begum family, Tasnime Akunjee, said the home secretary's actions were excessive because the government had allowed hundreds of Britons to return, some of whom were suspected of fighting for Isis. The teenager was not suspected of being an Isis fighter and has claimed she was a housewife while married to a suspected Isis fighter.
Akunjee said: "I am very disappointed in Sajid Javid's decision to attempt to strip Ms Begum of her British citizenship.
This shit actually makes me angry as hell. Wait for him? He should get life imprisonment if he really did fight with IS, fuck him. The fact that she's deciding to stay with him says enough about her wanting to distance herself from this whole ordeal.Another option I might try with my family is my husband is from Holland and he has family in Holland. Maybe I can ask for citizenship in Holland. If he gets sent back to prison in Holland I can just wait for him while he is in prison."
This shit actually makes me angry as hell. Wait for him? He should get life imprisonment if he really did fight with IS, fuck him. The fact that she's deciding to stay with him says enough about her wanting to distance herself from this whole ordeal.
They probably won't give her citizenship here anyway, maybe the poor child.
Oh I completely agree it is. But I think if you let her into the country you start to get a very tight wing view that leads to taking back border controls and our country.Not letting her back into the country is in itself a right wing thought
Agree with this.Jesus Christ guys
ERA "Bastion of progressive values" dont make me fucking sick. as soon asthere is something you guys dont understand all that shit goes out the door. its progressive values for me but not for everyone else.
That woman would have been more useful to us in the UK, her child would be safer and less likely to also be radicalized in the UK.
By agreeing to the stripping of her citizenship we are setting a really bad precedent. All because of your fucking feels.
the only and correct way to deal with this situation is:
- Managed return to UK
- Criminal investigation
- Deradicalisation
- Care for baby
To advocate for revenge or stripping of her citizenship means that you dont give a shit about preventing terrorism. you dont give a shit about protecting children in dangerous situations and you certainty dont give a shit about basic human rights.
Now come on this not the same as the sort of stuff you get on Facebook as that stuff is truly vile, if it were that type of stuff this thread would be locked and there would be many bans would there not?
Difference is no UK politician is seeking citizenship/relocation to Iraq or Afghanistan. If Blair had any right to Iraqi or Afghanistani citizenship and he ever tried to seek relocation to Iraq or Afghanistan don't worry he face an even bigger backlash.There are plenty of politicians in this country that have not only justified, but actively made decisions which had led to the deaths of innocent kids. A lot of citizenships need to be revoked if that is the standard.
I haven't been following the story, but I would have thought that if she's still a British citizen, she should be brought back and appropriately charged with what she has done. I suppose it would just be easier to cut ties and leave her there though, although I don't know if there is any protocol for revoking citizenship.
the only and correct way to deal with this situation is:
- Managed return to UK
- Criminal investigation
- Deradicalisation
- Care for baby
Hang on I've just read home office minister Ben Wallace confirmed last year that an estimated 400 Britons had returned to the uk from fighting in the middle East with ISIS and others groups.
How exactly is that deemed acceptable yet this girl gets her citizenship revoked.
Fcuk Sajid Javid!!! His simply trying to appease the right.
Well done to Diane Abbott, the SNP and Lib Dems who have criticised this decision.
I've changed my tune a bit as more facts have come to light and the bold bit is the main reason why.
I think by making her story public to begin with rather than trying to quietly return to Britain she's put herself in the spotlight (or her family has)
And this case is seen as an 'easy' win to cheer up the 'masses' while never releasing any historic facts or news of significance
I wouldn't go out of my way to 'bring her home' but if she happens to make her own way back then she can be dealt with accordingly and the kid put up for adoption
And closely monitor her and all her contacts until deemed not a security risk. Or for life if needs be