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British Protestors teardown statue of 17th Century Slave Trader.
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You will get people crying about history in reply, but this is history being made as well.
A lot of those monuments weren't finished until long after the respective monarch had died.
The valid reason not to would be that slavery from then has very little impact on modern racism.
EVERYWHERE my dude. We glorified anyone who helped peddle the empire through war and slavery.
Great, some people will call it destruction of history, but they don't understand what it's like walking by a monument something that directly affected your people.
If you want to keep it for historical purposes put it in a museum not on a fucking pedestal in the middle of the city.
If you want to keep it for historical purposes put it in a museum not on a fucking pedestal in the middle of the city.
Re Churchill; anyone vaguely left is aware he was a massive prick and has no respect for him. Good to see this as a member of Hull, home of Wilberforce who fought against slavery and good to see the local community standing up for BLM.
Yeah but bad bhistory doesn't need a statue to it, the people who would clamour about history are the people who are racist whether they want to admit it or not
The fact any of these slave tradcers still have statues up just shows how racism is alive and well in the UK despite what politicans, Tv Lords and racists want us to beleive
The Pharaohs are not celebrated today, nor did their slavery had societal ramifications that has affected the modern world.
Additionally while a pyramid is the deathbed of a Pharaoh, the pyramids themseleves can be valued without for their architecture uncoupled from the Pharaoh. A statue on the other hand has a pretty direct relationship with the person it depicts.
This is it. I doubt there's anyone today who looks at them and is pained by the oppression of their ancestors and themselves - which this statue 100% represented.
Just to be clear, I wasn't making some kind of comparison to defend its existence.
I remember a televised 'debate' about whether officials in Bristol should apologise for the city's role in the slave trade and I think this statue was part of it, with people petitioning its removal. That must've been a decade ago already and it took protesters to take it down... smfh
Sure are, but it'll take a bit more effort to dismantle the houses of parliament!
If they can remove the Oliver Cromwell statue it would be great.
Edit: oh Edward Colston is in Bristol, another day then.
The place is already falling apart. You just need to wait.
Edit: oh Edward Colston is in Bristol, another day then.
The place is already falling apart. You just need to wait.
Yup. It's all history. What does saying 'it's history' do? It reflects and produces narrative. That's the thing being challenged, not 'history'.
I always thought bonfire night was weird, and a celebration designed to glorify unworthy authority.
I hope some day the general British public sees Churchill for who he really was instead of glorifying him as the epitome of traditional British values. But it'll be a cold day in hell before that happens. Then again the epitome of British values back then did mean oppression, racism, and classism. God I hate that guy!!
The ancient egyptions have no power in today's society.
White supremacists do.
Also these monuments have been ransacked.
They used to be gold topped.
Look at this monument, it ain't in Egypt where it was erected in 1450 BC
Cleopatra's Needle, London - Wikipedia
(Btw this person's account is a Tommy Robinson supporter so I don't advocate that anyone follow it.)
User Banned (Permanent): Racism. Prior infraction for the same.
By your example, we should destroy auschwitz camp too. The camp and the statue too are not still here to remember "the old good time" but to not forget the errors of the past
Are you seriously comparing a statue, which exists to honour its subject to the preserved remains of an extermination camp?
Watched the last video a few times and it's quite clear the statue simply tripped and fell into the harbor. A statue that old should've known better than attending a riot. No sympathy!
If people, especially the Jewish community, wanted to destroy the camps in Auschwitz (as well as any others that remain), or if it ever starts seriously emboldening sentiment against those the Nazi party attacked, we (humanity) absolutely should destroy those too.
But there's also a big difference between those and statues of slave traders in city centres and other *normal* places where they're really not there to be historical pieces.
I did my legal training in Bristol and have always liked Bristolians. This just confirms my feelings towards them. Great work!
Keeping a slave owner/trader up on a pedestal is a bad look, the city should have stuck him in a museum out of the way.
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Oh go fuck yourself.
It's a statue, in a city.
Statues are there to positively memorialise things.
The fact that black people have to live in that city seeing that statue as a reminder that that slave owner / trader is a celebrated figure.
Whose name is also used in streets.
Why don't you go on twitter and look at the repiles to some of these tweets? Who is getting upset? It looks like conservative white people.
Why are they complaining about history being erased?
The answer is that they're proud of that history and are putting on a thin veneer of plausible deniability.
What. The fact that this slave trader is called a philanthropist tells you it wasn't their to not forget the errors of the past.
Good riddance to rubbish.
Germany didn't start putting up statues of Hitler everywhere after WW2. Also If keeping these statues up "to stop history repeating itself" doesn't stop us from repeating the same sort of mistakes then what good is the statue?
These statues are literally putting racism on a pedestal.
It blows my mind that the US can prop up confederacy related statues and fly confederate flags, an enemy to the union. How can you be proud to be an american when you want to fly the flag of defeated traitors?
It blows my mind that the US can prop up confederacy related statues and fly confederate flags, an enemy to the union. How can you be proud to be an american when you want to fly the flag of defeated traitors?
Were the ancient Egyptians chattel slaves? No? Then it's a stupid question.
Not directly relevant to the thread but there's a Black Lives Matter livestream with Stand Up To Racism airing in a few moments, might be of interest! Talkers include Diane Abbot and Marcia Rigg.
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I know this guy is banned but I still want to address this in case someone else feels like they find themselves agreeing to this.
The camps are a historical site which were created for something terrible and as such they are here to remember. A statue is created to celebrate and honour something. The purpose of each of them existing is different.
You don't use a statue, that was made to celebrate someone, in place to remember the atrocities they committed.