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Jane

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This development has left me feeling conflicted. I'm really happy for trans folk because this kind of mainstream representation is great to see especially in a space that historically hasn't been kind or welcoming to trans people. But as a guy who's always leaned into being feminine and struggled with masculinity, I had a fondness for characters like Bridget who would challenge gender norms in some kind of way. It's the same reason why I like characters like Venti from Genshin Impact, Astolfo from Fate, Ferris from Re:Zero. I feel like it's such a niche and it's not always treated well, like, it's often made into a joke or a fetish. I didn't think they would do that with Bridget in Strive so I was really excited to see that character come back and have that kind of representation again.

I've been nervous to post this because I don't want to come across as disrespecting or inconsiderate of trans people because that isn't my intention at all. I just want to know if there are any other people like me here who maybe have been having similar thoughts/feelings? I don't even know if I'm getting my feelings across right. Basically I feel morose that I can't really relate to or see myself in Bridget anymore, but at the same time I'm happy that other people facing struggles of their own will be able to do that. I hope this post doesn't come off as in poor taste or out of pocket and if it does I sincerely apologize.️ I have nothing but love, respect, and admiration for trans people. ♥
I think how you feel is perfectly valid. You deserve to see yourself represented in media just as much as the rest of us.
 

NexusCell

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1 second looking at it and im surprised that subreddit is allowed to stay open.

GGST reads like a much more earnestly written character. XX used to have upskirt win poses in a game that was full already of fetishistic-tropey content, worse when Bridget was almost assuredly juvenile and gamers were using slurs to describe their conflicted attraction to this character. Not that Strive is the most mature game (see: everyone sweating over Jack-o pose, ignoring that the characters wacky trick or treat persona is due to having a child's mind), but there's a world of difference coming from XX.
Funny enough it's from when porn was explicitly allowed. I remember back in around 2013/2014 when they actually sponsored cool players like Poongko and it was more of a shitpost/meme fgc reddit. Honestly the porn ban, the departure of a lot of the sponsor organizers like Dr. Mike, and just the general negativity about fighting games in general (SFV, Tekken 7, Strive) basically made it a shadow of its former self.
 
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I mean ... Didnt Arcsys rolled back some stuff after Strive release? I dont remember all details but some stuff were changed to make CCP happy.

Wont be surprised if this is something that would go though modification or etc.
I doubt it, especially considering how much voice work was done. Plus Testament is already in the game & has gone untouched since their release.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Yeahhh Jesus I just did the same and even still I wasn't expecting so much openly violent bigotry just hanging out at the top.

Should probably not give them more attention. Basically you're greeted with
mod named loligrabber, trending "leave autists". That's before even looking at the posts. I don't think its even about fighting games any more, or maybe it never was.
 

MrDaravon

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's really quite excellent. I made a thread on it recently, which kind of devolved into experts/enthusiasts being mad (and nitpicking imho) about stuff and people recommending DNF duel (? Really ?) instead. Which is fine, it's a gaming board, people can talk.

Bottom line is that as a fighting game casual for 30 years, this is extremely fun. I bounce between this and smash.

The characters are just wild and it looks gorgeous. Best of all, the netcode. You can come back to the game after not playing for 1 day or 30 days, and you can still find a lobby with people at similar skill levels and just play for a few minutes, rock solid connections.

(Yes I know the lobbies are disliked by some, don't @ me pls)

The netcode is also a big plus for me. SFV's netcode was pretty eh as I recall, but Smash is awful. I tried out a bit of T7 as my first real 3D fighter and on paper I love it but the netcode was also kinda eh there so I didn't stick with it too long. Hearing that GG's netcode is good is definitely a big plus in my book to get me to check it out since I don't have a local scene of any kind (I'm maybe ~45-60 minutes out from one AFAIK).
 

catpurrcat

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Oct 27, 2017
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The netcode is also a big plus for me. SFV's netcode was pretty eh as I recall, but Smash is awful. I tried out a bit of T7 as my first real 3D fighter and on paper I love it but the netcode was also kinda eh there so I didn't stick with it too long. Hearing that GG's netcode is good is definitely a big plus in my book to get me to check it out since I don't have a local scene of any kind (I'm maybe ~45-60 minutes out from one AFAIK).

You sound exactly like me. Found the same with SF5 since release, kind of on and off mostly because the netcode is just…ok. T7 loved it but yeah again netcode issues. Haha and Smash…special category.

GGS I think I've probably had three bad connection matches in 20+ hrs online. It's fantastic!
 

Stowaway Silfer

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Watching Evo this year gave me the FG bug (like it usually does).

Despite playing sub-50 hours of FG games in the last several years (mostly some Smash and SFV, both at launch) and having never played a GG game, I honestly want to grab this now and give it a go completely because of all of this. GG has always looked incredible but has seemed really intimidating, but goddamn if I don't love everything about this and how they've handled this. Was tearing up at the arcade scene, the VO's did a really good job. I think I'll grab this and some DLC when I get paid Friday. Love to see it.
Please don't be intimidated. I'm not very good at fighting games but I enjoy Strive a lot. The game is very fun even at a low level. You can just pick a character (they're categorized by ease of use even, with my main Ky being the easiest one in the game), learn their basic commands and then just play people of similar skill online pretty smoothly cause the netcode is amazing. It's the fighting game I've most played online. I think you'll enjoy it when you pick it up.
 

L Thammy

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There is a video that kinda talks about this. Not about Bridget themselves, but about them being a feminine guy.
Edit: Unlinking this person due to the creator's really questionable history.
While I'm sympathetic to sentiment Drachen expressed, I feel like I should note that this particular streamer has come up before and he might be in a questionable place. He seems to be kind of a 4chan adjacent type.

I don't really follow that world so I can't name specifics, but if you look at his Twitter and such, you'll see him talking down generic white leftist essayists and raving about lolis and such.
 
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MrDaravon

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Oct 25, 2017
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You sound exactly like me. Found the same with SF5 since release, kind of on and off mostly because the netcode is just…ok. T7 loved it but yeah again netcode issues. Haha and Smash…special category.

GGS I think I've probably had three bad connection matches in 20+ hrs online. It's fantastic!

Please don't be intimidated. I'm not very good at fighting games but I enjoy Strive a lot. The game is very fun even at a low level. You can just pick a character (they're categorized by ease of use even, with my main Ky being the easiest one in the game), learn their basic commands and then just play people of similar skill online pretty smoothly cause the netcode is amazing. It's the fighting game I've most played online. I think you'll enjoy it when you pick it up.

Thanks for the positive words everyone, I'll defintely be grabbing it now!
 

Rocketjay

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While I'm sympathetic to sentiment Drachen expressed, I feel like I should note that this particular streamer has come up before and he might be in a questionable place. He seems to be kind of a 4chan adjacent type.

I don't really follow that world so I can't name specifics, but if you look at his Twitter and such, you'll see him talking down generic white leftist essayists and raving about lolis and such.
Hmm, I did not know about his questionable stuff.
 

Princess Bubblegum

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Oct 25, 2017
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While I'm sympathetic to sentiment Drachen expressed, I feel like I should note that this particular streamer has come up before and he might be in a questionable place. He seems to be kind of a 4chan adjacent type.

I don't really follow that world so I can't name specifics, but if you look at his Twitter and such, you'll see him talking down generic white leftist essayists and raving about lolis and such.
Yeah, I just looked at his twitter and it's sus as hell.
 

Scrappy-Fan92

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While I'm sympathetic to sentiment Drachen expressed, I feel like I should note that this particular streamer has come up before and he might be in a questionable place. He seems to be kind of a 4chan adjacent type.

I don't really follow that world so I can't name specifics, but if you look at his Twitter and such, you'll see him talking down generic white leftist essayists and raving about lolis and such.
Like, Drachen himself seems to be a 4chan-adjacent type? Not the unnamed personality in the video they alluded to?
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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I don't really follow that world so I can't name specifics, but if you look at his Twitter and such, you'll see him talking down generic white leftist essayists and raving about lolis and such.

Expectedly seeing concern trolling by people who clearly do not give a shit about either non conforming or trans people. Peoples identities getting used as ammo in the gamer(tm) brand of inane culture war. People care about "the integrity of the authors vision" as long as it aligns with their world view.
 

L Thammy

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Like, Drachen himself seems to be a 4chan-adjacent type? Not the unnamed personality in the video they alluded to?
Oh no, I definitely didn't mean anyone in this forum was suspicious.

I meant Dimitri Monroe from the posted video. You can check his twitter for yourself; you don't really have to take my word for it.

Expectedly seeing concern trolling by people who clearly do not give a shit about either non conforming or trans people. Peoples identities getting used as ammo in the gamer(tm) brand of inane culture war. People care about "the integrity of the authors vision" as long as it aligns with their world view.
Actually, I don't know if it's exactly concern trolling on this subject either. Dimitri Monroe is a crossdresser as far as I know, I'm not in the position to call his opinions on that as anything less than genuine. I don't think he forfeits his right to his own gender identity or expression, that's still valid.

But I'd just want to practice some caution when they make one tweet about a manga called "Even if I don't stay 15 years old" and then another tweet saying that this manga goes hard along with some images that I don't feel are work safe.
 

Princess Bubblegum

I'll be the one who puts you in the ground.
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Dimitri Monroe is a "tr*p is not a slur" person and also the type against "politically correct" localization changes.

The video linked itself had some red flags for me when he talked about people just grabbing labels "for attention."

In summary: don't link Dimitri Monroe.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Actually, I don't know if it's exactly concern trolling on this subject either. Dimitri Monroe is a crossdresser as far as I know, I'm not in the position to call his opinions on that as anything less than genuine. I don't think he forfeits his right to his own gender identity or expression, that's still valid.

Didn't mean this youtuber, not familiar with them. THat came off the wrong way, im not good at this.
 
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Scrappy-Fan92

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Oh gosh, I got Drachen and the YouTube video uploader conflated. I meant the latter but said the former's name for some reason. Sorry about that.
 

romey

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Best DLC character so far along with Goldlewis. Baiken and Testament are meh. Really hoping for Venom next.
 

deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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…I had seen some positive talk about the news on Twitter earlier, but I didn't realize that ending scene was going to literally be people supporting her as she gets the resolve to say "I'm a girl!", lmao. This sincerely rules.
 

Morlas

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I've never played Guilty Gear, but this is wholesome as hell and I love it.
 

Grifter

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Thought I'd check in on gameplay reactions, but I came away loving the nuanced and thoughtful discussion here! I just came off of arguing about this with an old college buddy who played the hell out of Bridget and am finding that more and more old gamer friends share this mindset. In a way, I should detach and move on, but it's conflicting because many of these friends helped me out in my more downtrodden/lost times and I try not to ever take any of that for granted.

Also:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY0k969TWrk
 
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Shan

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Oct 27, 2017
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Thought I'd check in on gameplay reactions, but I came away loving the nuanced and thoughtful discussion here! I just came off of arguing about this with an old college buddy who played the hell out of Bridget and am finding that more and more old gamer friends share this mindset. In a way, I should detach and move on, but it's conflicting because many of these friends helped me out in my more downtrodden/lost times and I try not to ever take any of that for granted.

Also:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY0k969TWrk

I'm guessing your buddy didn't approve of the outcome of Bridget's character in Strive?
 

Scrappy-Fan92

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Thought I'd check in on gameplay reactions, but I came away loving the nuanced and thoughtful discussion here! I just came off of arguing about this with an old college buddy who played the hell out of Bridget and am finding that more and more old gamer friends share this mindset. In a way, I should detach and move on, but it's conflicting because many of these friends helped me out in my more downtrodden/lost times and I try not to ever take any of that for granted.

Also:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY0k969TWrk

I'm sorry to hear that.
 

Melody Shreds

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Oct 25, 2017
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I had a strong suspicion this would be confirmed but gosh it has me so excited.
Bridget was always a huge part of my transition when I was younger and I'm just shocked in a good way that the character that inspired me transitioned as well!
And in such a wholesome way as well~
 

Nocturne

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Oct 25, 2017
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K2N-zwp_Bg

bridget's theme is a bop. the lyrics are pretty amazing too. the entire thing is literally an anthem to her coming to terms with herself and who she really wants to be. it's really thoughtful! about the unidentifiable wrongness she's felt in her life (like the 'vegetables she doesn't really like) into just fully celebrating who she really is and reuniting with herself. it's so cute.

i'm still really astonished at just how hard they went on bridget transitioning and honestly given how fraught the character's history has been between how she's been instrumentalized by creeps and also the really vital gateway she was to a lot of gender questioning kids, this was probably the only way you could handle it correctly.
 

Dice

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K2N-zwp_Bg

bridget's theme is a bop. the lyrics are pretty amazing too. the entire thing is literally an anthem to her coming to terms with herself and who she really wants to be. it's really thoughtful! about the unidentifiable wrongness she's felt in her life (like the 'vegetables she doesn't really like) into just fully celebrating who she really is and reuniting with herself. it's so cute.

i'm still really astonished at just how hard they went on bridget transitioning and honestly given how fraught the character's history has been between how she's been instrumentalized by creeps and also the really vital gateway she was to a lot of gender questioning kids, this was probably the only way you could handle it correctly.


Wow, what a cool sounding song to boot. Sorta on a different vibe than a lot of the tracks (then ends in a real fun way). Thanks for posting!

So curious to see Brig getting such a complete makeover. I'm glad the fan reactions (er, that' I've seen anyways) has been reall for it.
 

Ferrio

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Oct 25, 2017
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I felt after that amazing Testament redesign including "Like a Weed Naturally, as a Matter of Course", they'd do Bridget justice and they did. Character is still adorable and the win animation is the best she's ever looked.
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Game play wise she's a lot different. Still the basic idea of how Bridget played, but almost completely redesigned. So far the biggest thing I miss is the original Killing Machine OD, it was so fun. I knew long ago it'd never make it into Strive if Bridget made it in, but it still hurts.
 
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Ciao

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Jun 14, 2018
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Was looking forward to see that Goldlewis/Bridget/Ky scene but it didn't happen, Goldlewis didn't fight alongside me for the final boss, but came to help me earlier against Faust. The end dialogue with Ky was going the same way but more subtle.
Is there requirements for the real scene to happen?
 

Piccoro

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Nov 20, 2017
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Well, today Strive got a permanent price drop on PSN. I'm finally getting it.

This is still the only recent FG I don't own, mainly because I tried the beta and I didn't like how simplistic it played compared to Xrd and Accent Core + R. Music is not as good as the old games too.

But I do enjoy the graphics, and Bridget looks cool AF. So yeah, I'll take the plunge.
 

Hamlock

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Wasn't Bridget groomed by her parents to dress and act like a girl? I don't know what kind of message they're sending, but from my perspective, it seems like they're kinda unintentionally implying that transgenderism is a result of child abuse and grooming.
 

Malakym

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Wasn't Bridget groomed by her parents to dress and act like a girl? I don't know what kind of message they're sending, but from my perspective, it seems like they're kinda unintentionally implying that transgenderism is a result of child abuse and grooming.

Man get this grooming crap out of here, it's made pretty damn clear in the scene that this is nothing to do with the superstition plot line. Seriously, if I never hear the word "grooming" in any relation to trans folk again it will be a miracle.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Wasn't Bridget groomed by her parents to dress and act like a girl? I don't know what kind of message they're sending, but from my perspective, it seems like they're kinda unintentionally implying that transgenderism is a result of child abuse and grooming.

That's been the #1 concern troll talking point. Unfortunate that its being used that way, but that's clearly not the intent so giving it any credence seems like adding fuel to the outrage fire which seems set on branding this move as "anti trans" (or woke agenda/western pandering depending on which extreme they choose to run with). People change, whether they're developers or human beings in general and the IP seems to show some change in Daisuke which reflects in his characters somewhat, not unlike something like say God of War where the intent matured along with the developers life experiences.

Whether you like his world building or not, its his baby that he's been making for a long time, thus suggesting that he's thrown in a towel and stopped caring reads like projection to me idk. May be a hard read on my part.
 
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FF Seraphim

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Wasn't Bridget groomed by her parents to dress and act like a girl? I don't know what kind of message they're sending, but from my perspective, it seems like they're kinda unintentionally implying that transgenderism is a result of child abuse and grooming.

In GGXX their mother didn't want to kill her younger child due to the village superstition of two boys being born. Bridget proved that to be stupid and now can live the life they want.

I also think they are going to retcon some of the past stories to better fit the narrative around the characters now. Because, lets be honest, some of that stuff is highly questionable.
 

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Wasn't Bridget groomed by her parents to dress and act like a girl? I don't know what kind of message they're sending, but from my perspective, it seems like they're kinda unintentionally implying that transgenderism is a result of child abuse and grooming.
If you're actually serious, I'd appreciate you finding a way to reword this.

Because a 21 post account talking about grooming and 'transgenderism' ain't giving me much room for benefit of the doubt, but if you're legit then I want to at least try to get you to avoid this kind of language in the future.
 

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If you're actually serious, I'd appreciate you finding a way to reword this.

Because a 21 post account talking about grooming and 'transgenderism' ain't giving me much room for benefit of the doubt, but if you're legit then I want to at least try to get you to avoid this kind of language in the future.

Yeah that post is pretty sus, NGL. I've seen comments on Reddit and Twitter from chuds raging about this that are worded almost verbatim as the post you quoted.

Anyone with any knowledge of prior GG games will know that 'grooming' was never part of Bridget's backstory and it's incredibly sus that this is only now being brought up as a 'concern' following her becoming trans.
 

Thorn

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One thing people forget is Bridget was raised as a girl because the town would have probably killed or exiled her at a young age had they knew her parents gave birth to two same sex twins.

It wasn't done because her parents wanted a daughter. For all we know they treated her as a boy when she was home.
 

Razmos

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Wasn't Bridget groomed by her parents to dress and act like a girl? I don't know what kind of message they're sending, but from my perspective, it seems like they're kinda unintentionally implying that transgenderism is a result of child abuse and grooming.
Only if you think about it for like 5 seconds and come to the worst possible conclusion.
It doesn't imply shit like that.
 

Hamlock

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If you're actually serious, I'd appreciate you finding a way to reword this.

Because a 21 post account talking about grooming and 'transgenderism' ain't giving me much room for benefit of the doubt, but if you're legit then I want to at least try to get you to avoid this kind of language in the future.
What words should I use instead?
 

CandySTX

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Does Strive go on sale much? Full price and season passes are a bit rich at the moment, but this cool direction has certainly got my attention.
Been too long since I got in to a GG game.

And that's why you press the button that says to read new posts. Whew.
Glad* to see the FCG is having a Normal One.

*Not actually glad.
 
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