Oh yes that's true, I hope they import enough to cover how ever long the disruption lasts.
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In an effect, this is true, because the EU will be affected much less from Brexit than the UK. But it still has to judge whether the damage it will face due to a no-deal is less or more than the potential damage it will face from the ratchet clause that columnist is suggesting (or any other variant thereof).
Not just that, but many importers are pulling their trucks out with no plans on bringing them back (due to the shitshow that's about to hit us).
The problem of having to negotiate with an impartial broker to get tariffs up is that it only works if you assume its gonna rarely happen. However, the UK has openly talked about separating standards as soon as possible and delay the tariffs penalty as much as possible.
So again, another problem of the UK talking to themselves about how much they will fuck the EU deal and how they are gonna lie to the EU and get a deal only to do whatever the fuck they want later on in the UK media, as if the EU doesnt follow that.
You show yourself to be an untrustworthy negotiator, you get the constraints of an untrustworthy negotiator.
UK should haver spent less time playing to their local crowd throwing shit to the EU and more time actually thinking what that would mean in their negotiation positions.
The problem is not about EU being selfish right now, the problem is that EU has lost any possible trust on the UK not going back on any possible deal as soon as humanly possible, so they want to be able to hit back as soon as the UK steps out, not have to wait 3-4 years for a punch back.
I think it is probably fair for us to ask that the EU can't just implement tariffs on us whenever it wants. The reason this isn't as simple as the Canada deal is we are closer and more intertwined nations. That works both ways.
I have no idea who controls that arbitration, if it's the European courts that would enrage the Daily Mail reader types. Of course, that shouldn't matter but Brexit is built on the outrage of people with no insight into how Europe or any international co-operation works.
Sorry, I didn't mean to invoke a concept of "selfishness" in my post.
I would say it would be fair if the UK hadnt said repeatedly they would just do whatever they want after signing the deal and would do whatever thing possible to not face consequences (or delay them as much as possible). So the EU needs to be able to do something without a big delay.
No problem, I just wanted to point out that EU is so harsh on the ratchet because UK has shown utter contempt on negotiating in good faith, which doesnt leave a ton of room in the kind of negotiations that require both parties to be negotiating in good faith.
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Dunno if this is true but it would be plausible considering reports Boris wanted Merkel and Macron at the meeting but they shot him down.
It's interesting, yes. But it's James Forsyth, editor of The Spectator. A certain PM wrote (if it can be called that) for them some years back...
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I can imagine stupid gammons wanking themselves silly reading this
Did they work out an alternative to Euratom for radioactive stuff? That was always discussed as a big concern when no deal was first announced as a possibility (given the short half-life of many materials).
PM has just said this (via Guardian Liveblog):
I've also discovered that seeing him play dress up every day makes me irrationally angry.
I've also discovered that seeing him play dress up every day makes me irrationally angry.
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Which is why we've spent 4 years negotiating and planning for that not to happen
So, no deal then as planned without actual planning for the people who aren't rich.
Infuriating how all the common sense arguments about soft Brexit being pointless, hard Brexit being a disaster were true and still true 4 years on. Fuck Brexit. We knew pretty much bloody everything ages ago and yet give me cake. Blood boiling.
Infuriating how all the common sense arguments about soft Brexit being pointless, hard Brexit being a disaster were true and still true 4 years on. Fuck Brexit. We knew pretty much bloody everything ages ago and yet give me cake. Blood boiling.
UK has to learn that now that they are outside of the EU you dont negotiate with other countries, you negotiate with the block. It was already sad when May was trying to get some nations inside the EU to break protocol and support her in negotiating a deal. Now its just sadder because no country will even give them the time of the day after all the major fuckups the Brits have done in the last 3 years, completely destroying most of their soft power inside the EU.
EU already looks like it gave up on a deal and they have put some clear lines in the sand they will not cross. It is all in UK to concede which they havent made any move towards in this week.
I don't see anyone but the UK blinking if they somehow don't want no deal. EU has more to lose if they cave and less impact, possibly temporary if they don't, UK might come back to the table after experiencing the shit show for months.
I'll say this, the fact the EU are setting their lines clearly again and the UK is saying this stuff a few days before Sunday makes me think the UK is either desperate or rolling out the narrative for the public to swallow no deal.
Never play chicken with an ocean liner when you are in a rowboat. The ocean liner doesn't need to swerve.
I do now. I didn't couple of days ago, but it's clear from the slightly frightened looking ministers on various TV shows since then that they've been told it's likely too.
Just means no deal on January 1st. Doesn't mean it all resets to square one at that point however much the Tories try and badge it that way.
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Yeah and i suspect no deal will worsen their negotiating position and they will eventually agree to the deal the EU is offering after a month of chaos.
I'm sure Boris' conduct over the last year will be tactically leaked and deployed, Tories get their scapegoat for the chaos and they'll send the next totally moderate British values mug in to 'Get an even better deal' that's all concessions, when it starts hitting their diners pockets. But disaster capitalists they are they'll probably revel in it and just use a new PM as political clickbait.
Yeah, I'm pretty much convinced this is it now.
He also strikes me as the kind of politician who'd do a runner than face the consequences, so hopefully he at least pisses off.
He also strikes me as the kind of politician who'd do a runner than face the consequences, so hopefully he at least pisses off.
Sure, and they'll want to tie both COVID and Brexit failings to Johnson at the opportune time to 'wipe their slate clean', using COVID to extend the clock as necessary. Then get back to demolishing the country.
Sunak's waiting in the wings. No less despicable compared to Johnson but presents himself better.
They won't (publicly) pin it on Johnson, because they voted for Johnson.
It's kinda daft how any trade deal we do in the future will just be the same, accept the rules, standards, regulations between nations or we don't have a deal just on an individual smaller scale. Also, since the EU is so prominent in the world, those standards etc. will be pretty much what the EU accepts. It's so ludicrous. I'm convinced Boris etc. thought they could get cake but if not, they get richer anyway, regardless of the consequences so no big deal to them.
yeah, 6-months to a year the conservative establishment and media will do everything to say Brexit is a success and all problems are virus related etc. Boris does his victory lap, sails away and someone else comes in to try and clear the mess up when it can no longer be ignored.
Whatever fits in with their roadmap and production capabilities.
Thatcher was their darling and they knifed her the second she was an electoral liability. They'll do the same to Boris when no deal has a significant effect on people's lives, but keep him in as long as he can absorb the damage.
As Humidex says, the personal PR campaign Sunak's been running all year has been effective for him, and the truth is a minority background PM is incredibly useful to them to pitch to the 'racism is over' crowd.
The fear I've got is the line, we have to make hard choices and difficult decisions which is how they destroy the NHS further, reduce rights etc. Shit hits the fan is a green light to mould the UK into what they want and people will be more accepting because things will be bad and possibly desperate. They are waiting for this moment.
It's a revolutionary far right movement. They believe they can smash the state and rebuild it in any way they want. It's the shock doctrine on a national level.
